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Who "HATES AMERICA?"
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01/30/06 12:19 PM
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I keep reading in all these posts about how many people around the world "hate America." As someone who has traveled on every populated continent on the planet (except Austrailia) including extensive travel in Europe, the Middle East, South America and China, I cna tell you unequivocally that most average people in the world whom I have encountered have great admiration, respect and affection for our country and for what it stands for.
Sure, there are jealousies, and there are disagreements and there is even hostility, but that is largely the kind of thing you see among friends or even family members. Lots of Eurpoeans think we made a bone headed move by going into Iraq, and they dont mind saying so. This doesnt mean they "hate" us, it just means they disagree with our policy.
The fact of it is, those small groups of people who really do hate us are the likes of Al Quaeda, the narco terrorists, and the other misfits of the world who make the news by their atrocities.
Go to any counrty, especially any third world country and visit the section of the US Embassy where people are looking for visas to enter the US. We remain a beacon of hope for the world, and we should not forget it.
"Io sono stanco, sono imbigliato, and I wan't everyone here to know, there ain't gonna be no trouble from me..Don Corleone..Cicc' a port!"
"I stood in the courtroom like a fool."
"I am Constanza: Lord of the idiots."
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Re: Who "HATES AMERICA?"
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01/30/06 12:25 PM
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I believe in America...
When people say they hate a "country", it's usually an indication of their frustrations with the world in general, and how nobody can pinpoint the terrible events happening of late to anyone in particular. I mean, sure, you can even claim to hate Bin Laden, and I wouldn't doubt it, but I think that the hate stems from not really knowing where the Hell he is. It's natural to hate what we don't understand. I hate it when I get spontaneous erections on public transport, for example, and the driver kicks me off for unleashing a big long snake.
Perhaps not.
...dot com bold typeface rhetoric. You go clickety click and get your head split. 'The hell you look like on a message board Discussing whether or not the Brother is hardcore?
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Re: Who "HATES AMERICA?"
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01/30/06 12:57 PM
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dontomasso Go to any counrty, especially any third world country and visit the section of the US Embassy where people are looking for visas to enter the US. We remain a beacon of hope for the world, and we should not forget it. That's laying it on a bit thick, dt. People desparate to enter the US are hardly a representative sample of the world are they!? Yes "hate" is probably mostly confined to the terrorists and extremists commited to bringing down Western civilization... but just because most of the world does not "hate" America, that does not mean it endorses its egregious excesses.
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Re: Who "HATES AMERICA?"
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01/30/06 12:58 PM
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I think most people think that americans feel that they are superior to the rest of world. There is this big sense of arogance coming from the states, and its not always a bad thing...but can be irratating. I don't hate america at all, i just think that they need to stop interfering with things...for example telling canada whether or not it is aloud to build docks up in our nother territories.
"strange things happen all the time, and so it goes and so it goes. and the book says, 'we may be through with the past, but the past is not through with us'" - MAGNOLIA
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Re: Who "HATES AMERICA?"
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01/30/06 02:50 PM
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This song reminds me of you guys here who argue sometimes.
Artist: Live Album: Throwing Copper Title: White, Discussion
I talk of freedom you talk of the flag I talk of revolution you'd much rather brag and as the decibels of this disenchanting discourse continue to dampen the day the coin flips again and again, and again, and again as our sanity walks away all this discussion though politically correct is dead beyond destruction though it leaves me quite erect and as the final sunset rolls behind the earth and the clock is finally dead I'll look at you, you'll look at me and we'll cray a lot but this will be what we said this will be what we said look where all this talking got us baby.
"strange things happen all the time, and so it goes and so it goes. and the book says, 'we may be through with the past, but the past is not through with us'" - MAGNOLIA
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Re: Who "HATES AMERICA?"
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01/30/06 03:58 PM
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MaryCas Especially those excesses like - loans, charities, and employment. I think you forgot to add rose-scented schmaltz. Also: gun crime, murder, poverty, political nepotism, corruption and inadequate healthcare. America is not "evil", but it is also very far from perfect... don't pretend you live in the Garden of Eden.
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Re: Who "HATES AMERICA?"
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01/30/06 05:00 PM
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MaryCas, a good point, but couldn't the same be said about the FRENCH? I mean, ultra-proud nationalists who throw money across the globe. Then again, that is why U.S. and France traditionally hate each other, I believe. Both countries have a nation-creating revolution as part of their national identity. Both believed, in their minds, to be the "beacon" of freedom and democracy for the world...and both think the other are the a*sholes of Western Capitalism/Democracy. Think about it. Besides, we Americans get testy when someone criticizes us. Thing is, for criticism itself, we must ask this: is it a valid argument, it is from someone that is legitimacy(for example, I doubt China attacking us for censorship wouldn't have much ground to stand on), and finally....what can we do about it? If I do angry at a country, its usually only at the government. Look at Iran, with a leader that one wonders if what he has said is simply to stroke the hardliners, or he truely believes what he says...which is a scary thought, especially with a nice ole nuclear weapon. However, I only hate the regime, and never the people living under it, or else I would have to hate our very pretty Asfaneh. Ultimately, I think of America ideally as a dream, or a hope for the world, a promise of sorts. It's far from utopia, but perhaps someday....
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Re: Who "HATES AMERICA?"
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01/30/06 05:10 PM
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Originally posted by ronnierocketAGO: MaryCas, a good point, but couldn't the same be said about the FRENCH? I mean, ultra-proud nationalists who throw money across the globe.
Then again, that is why U.S. and France traditionally hate each other, I believe. Actually it is more of a love-hate thing with the French. Both they and we think we are the center of the western world. I'll tell you, however, I was just there for two weeks over Christmas, and there are plenty of people there who still remember what we did to liberate them from the Nazis.
"Io sono stanco, sono imbigliato, and I wan't everyone here to know, there ain't gonna be no trouble from me..Don Corleone..Cicc' a port!"
"I stood in the courtroom like a fool."
"I am Constanza: Lord of the idiots."
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Re: Who "HATES AMERICA?"
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01/30/06 05:13 PM
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Well, when people criticize America, it hurts a little, but's it's your homeland, so it's understandable. Do I think there are people out there that hate America? Sure. There are people out there who hates all kinds of countries, Americans do have an arrogance about them, and I can see why foreigners get annoyed. But do people really hate America? I don't really think the country itself, but the way it's government runs things (which is fully understandable), and the way some Americans carry themselves.
Hey, how's it going?
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Re: Who "HATES AMERICA?"
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01/30/06 05:20 PM
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DonTom, indeed. Don't forget 1776 as well.
DonAndrew, well one good point I remember was the 2004 Summer olympics in Athens, Greece.
Basically since the Nixon administration totally supported a military coup-takeover of the Greek government in the early 1970s, which then encouraged the Turks to invade Cyprus and attack the Greeks there...understandably, they still are pissed at us for that shit. Would you blame them?
However at the Summer Olympics, the Greeks greatly applauded the American athletes, for despite the resentment at the American government, they still dig the people.
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Re: Who "HATES AMERICA?"
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01/30/06 05:23 PM
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Originally posted by ronnierocketAGO: DonTom, indeed. Don't forget 1776 as well.
Yep they saved our bacon then.
"Io sono stanco, sono imbigliato, and I wan't everyone here to know, there ain't gonna be no trouble from me..Don Corleone..Cicc' a port!"
"I stood in the courtroom like a fool."
"I am Constanza: Lord of the idiots."
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Re: Who "HATES AMERICA?"
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01/30/06 08:17 PM
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Originally posted by The Dr. who fixed Lucy: I think you forgot to add rose-scented schmaltz.
Also: gun crime, murder, poverty, political nepotism, corruption and inadequate healthcare.
don't pretend you live in the Garden of Eden. How about The Land Of Milk and Honey? :p For a place that has all that you list above, there sure are a lot of people who want to get into this country. Our boarder patrol arrests an average of 3000 illegal immigrants per day who try to get into the United States. I don't believe the rest of the world, as a whole, hates The United States Of America. Don Cardi 
Don Cardi Five - ten years from now, they're gonna wish there was American Cosa Nostra. Five - ten years from now, they're gonna miss John Gotti.
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Re: Who "HATES AMERICA?"
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01/30/06 09:52 PM
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Originally posted by The Dr. who fixed Lucy: [quote]MaryCas [b]Especially those excesses like - loans, charities, and employment. I think you forgot to add rose-scented schmaltz. Also: gun crime, murder, poverty, political nepotism, corruption and inadequate healthcare. America is not "evil", but it is also very far from perfect... don't pretend you live in the Garden of Eden. [/b][/quote]And of course these problems are uniquely American. In Britain nobody is poor, crime is nonexistant, the government is a model of efficiency and fairness, and its healthcare system is near perfect.
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Re: Who "HATES AMERICA?"
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01/30/06 10:50 PM
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Allow me to expand on my previous post. As I have many, many American relatives, I am Canadian and I admire many aspects of American culture I cannot claim impartiality but I will give my view regardless.
For the last 200 years (moreso in the last 100 years) The United States of America has been the dominant political, cultural, economic, athletic and diplomatic power in the world by far. Although during the Cold War The Soviet Union provided a worthy foe for the Americans, today there is no single entity (as a nation-state mind you) that can directly challenge the authority of the U.S.A. in all aspects of life. In addition, The United States has attracted most of the best and brightest the world has to offer and has borne many Americans who have made contributions to so many different areas in society it would be near impossible to list them all. The automobile, computer, radio, television, internet, telephone, Baseball, Basketball, Football and the light bulb were all either invented by Americans or by foreigners in America. America and Americans have made so many contributions to literature, cinema, the theatre, music, science, democratic politics, charity, technological advancement and fashion that again, it would be impossible to list them all. As The U.S. has made all these contributions over history and has amassed so much wealth and power that in addition to generating love, respect, admiration and gratitude it has also bred hatred, disrespect, envy and ingratitude in the rest of the world. As Dennis Miller said: "The U.S. is the most loved, feared and hated country in the world. It's the Frank Sinatra of countries."
With this enormous amount of wealth and power comes an enormous amount of duty and responsibility. The U.S. has done such tremendous good for the world but at the same time when a powerful nation takes actions they have consequences that are gonna be felt across the world and these consequences are not going to be liked by everyone. Of course it is impossible to please the whole international community all the time and it would be unreasonable for the rest of the world to expect this of the Americans. However due to many different reasons this is what is expected of Americans and this is what causes serious problems.
Having said all this, The U.S. is by no means perfect. As all other countries are, The U.S. is made up of individuals and no individual is perfect. According to my beliefs no human being is perfect and perfection belongs solely to God Almighty. The U.S. has its problems like all other nations and America and Americans has done much evil in the world and will continue to do so as it is in the nature of some individuals to do evil. However, if one objectively looks at the facts one cannot but help come to the conclusion that the U.S. has done a world of good for the rest of the world and will continue to do so.
God Bless America! God Bless Canada! God Bless The World!
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Re: Who "HATES AMERICA?"
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01/31/06 06:35 AM
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I totally agree with Ronnie, and thanks for not hating me despite the Jackass president that we have. If there is any criticism, it is toward governments, not the people, because even in the best democracies people don't have that many choices about what their government decides to do.
Despite the fact that any government tries to attach themselves and their deeds to the people and the media, that follows through to cover for them, there is still hope for friendship throughout the world. Independent art is a great venue to get to know the people for who they really are and for the country they represent, if we try to get around the pretentious media sometimes.
But I do have a criticism or a mere suggestion, anyway you would like to take it, for American friends and that's using the term "Americanizing".
Why can't we accept the differences and try to learn and celebrate it instead of trying to change the ways that people live to accustom our ways? Live like a Roman in Rome, like an American in America and pretty please, with sugar on top don't use this term "Americanizing the rest of the world" because frankly, it feels the same way when immigrants try to change your ways to accustom theirs.
"Fire cannot kill a dragon." -Daenerys Targaryen, Game of Thrones
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Re: Who "HATES AMERICA?"
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Originally posted by JustMe: [QUOTE]Sorry DJ, radio was invented by Russian. sorry JM, Guglielmo Marconi was the inventor of radio! :p Oh, and Don Jasani, Meucci was the inventor of telephone! :p
I don't want realism. I want magic! Yes, yes, magic. I try to give that to people. I do misrepresent things. I don't tell the truth. I tell what ought to be truth (Blanche/A streetcar named desire)
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