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Re: From the Islamic protests against those cartoons
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02/12/06 04:33 PM
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Re: From the Islamic protests against those cartoons
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02/12/06 04:49 PM
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Originally posted by Capo de La Cosa Nostra: Religion and Media will be the death of us. Religion in se is something good, it's human nature. It can be a help for society and mankind. Only when taken public and celebrated on a large scale, it can harm. Media is always large scale, and will always provocate. Provocation can harm.
See, we can act as smart as we want, but at the end of the day, we still follow a guy who fucks himself with kebab skewers.
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Re: From the Islamic protests against those cartoons
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02/12/06 04:54 PM
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Originally posted by Enzo Scifo: Religion in se is something good, it's human nature. It can be a help for society and mankind. Only when taken public and celebrated on a large scale, it can harm. I have to disagree. I think the danger isn't necessarily religion per se but rather, when people interpret religion for selfish motives. I mean, if we had people doing as Jesus said and acting as Jesus would across the planet, and doing it selflessly, then certainly that would be the antithesis of harm. Unfortunately, human nature is flawed.
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Re: From the Islamic protests against those cartoons
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02/12/06 05:06 PM
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You are totally correct, but you misinterpreted what I really wanted to say, I think. Anyway, Originally posted by Double-J: I have to disagree. I think the danger isn't necessarily religion per se but rather, when people interpret religion for selfish motives. I once heard (correct me if I'm wrong) that Bush said "God said I had to invade Iraq." That kinda contradicts what you said. Seperation of Church and State is holy and that's more what I meant with my comment about religion getting a pain in the ass when it gets too organized. Btw, I think 'in se' isn't wrong. Which you seemed to insinuate when using 'per se'.
See, we can act as smart as we want, but at the end of the day, we still follow a guy who fucks himself with kebab skewers.
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Re: From the Islamic protests against those cartoons
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02/12/06 05:13 PM
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Capo de La Cosa Nostra
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Originally posted by Double-J: I mean, if we had people doing as Jesus said and acting as Jesus would across the planet, and doing it selflessly, then certainly that would be the antithesis of harm. Unfortunately, human nature is flawed. I think the same could apply precisely to the concept of Communism. But Communism is becuase it cannot work; whereas religion is good despite not working. Is religion, then, as ineffective as that political idyll?
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Re: From the Islamic protests against those cartoons
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02/12/06 05:18 PM
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Originally posted by Capo de La Cosa Nostra:
Is religion, then, as ineffective as that political idyll? Enzo - I wasn't trying to imply anything, I know my use or per se is correct though. Capo - perhaps it is politics that are ineffective in the scope of religion, which deal in absolutes of good versus evil, while politics oftentimes (but not always) is defined by alterior motives and selfishness while supposedly representing compromise and selflessness.
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Re: From the Islamic protests against those cartoons
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02/12/06 05:24 PM
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Originally posted by Double-J: Capo - perhaps it is politics that are ineffective in the scope of religion, which deal in absolutes of good versus evil, while politics oftentimes (but not always) is defined by compromise, moderation, or both. By today's standards, is seems politics is more about good versus evil. A shame of course, but it looks like polarization seems today's magic word. These boards are a fine example of it. About religion, is that always in terms of good versus evil?? I tought it was about ethics, and how they are related to humanity and utopies. I can't explain why, but I have the feeling religion is not about good and bad. Can anybody correct me on the non-existing word 'utopies', if you know what I wanna say with it?
See, we can act as smart as we want, but at the end of the day, we still follow a guy who fucks himself with kebab skewers.
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Re: From the Islamic protests against those cartoons
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02/12/06 05:27 PM
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As for the per se debate, I must dive into the bath and cuddle up naked with you guys. As long as the message is communicated, I don't care how it's spelt. If somebody doesn't grasp that Ruanda is Rwanda or in se is per se (taking context into consideration) you'd either have to be a pedant or extremely dumb yourself.
Anyway, climbing out of that cosy jacuzzi and diving into another one: I get what you're saying, Double J. To keep it short, the reason I don't see religion as effective is that, to me, there is no right and wrong. It's simply Truth or not.
To keep up the Star Wars tradition, only a Sith talks in absolutes. Religion, I think, likes to simplify things into black and white to make life easier to cope with. If it succeeds, that's fine, so long as it doesn't infringe others' more indefinable sense of good and bad.
And Enzo's right: polarisation is the key reason why there're so many feuds around here. It's the good ol' "With us or against us" deal, and it's shameful.
Not that I'm accusing you of that, Double J. Not at all.
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Re: From the Islamic protests against those cartoons
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02/12/06 05:32 PM
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Originally posted by Capo de La Cosa Nostra: It's simply Truth or not.
Religion, I think, likes to simplify things into black and white to make life easier to cope with. I think you have a rather thin view on religion. It can be a lot more than you think it is. Why don't you mix your second phrase with your first phrase?
See, we can act as smart as we want, but at the end of the day, we still follow a guy who fucks himself with kebab skewers.
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Re: From the Islamic protests against those cartoons
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02/12/06 05:37 PM
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Yeah, it's thin, but at least broad enough to respect people's beliefs; that's broad enough, I think. Some religious people, however, let their beliefs blind them, and I always find it ironic when religious people are also very political, especially in war time. Because, for me, I find it difficult to accept a co-existence of God and War.
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Re: From the Islamic protests against those cartoons
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02/12/06 06:05 PM
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Originally posted by Double-J: I know my use or per se is correct though. Yes, it was. I wasn't gonna mention it, but since you brought it up, you should bone up on your use of et al, though :p
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Re: From the Islamic protests against those cartoons
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02/12/06 07:22 PM
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Latin, I believe, as is per se if I'm not mistaken.
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Re: From the Islamic protests against those cartoons
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02/12/06 08:13 PM
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Enter one pedant, enter three (I'm the third). I've also seen, though not very often, et al. spelled with a full stop after the l, implying it is an abbreviated form of the original. Endeth the lesson. Or complication. Or whatever.
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Re: From the Islamic protests against those cartoons
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02/12/06 08:28 PM
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Originally posted by Double-J: If I recall from my high school Latin (no, I wasn't a Jesuit) it would be something like "and also..." or "and others..." Yes, but i believe that the "others" refers to people, not places, events, or things, as in the context you used it. Originally posted by Double-J: I don't think she deserved to be jailed, at least relative to other things going on in the city (school riots, gang violence, et al).
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Re: From the Islamic protests against those cartoons
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02/13/06 02:05 AM
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Yeah, it refers to people.
"The older Yankees, like Johnson, Posada, Mussina, et al..."
"The Supreme Court Justices, such as Rehnquist, Thomas, Alito, et al..."
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Re: From the Islamic protests against those cartoons
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02/13/06 05:28 AM
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Originally posted by Capo de La Cosa Nostra: Enter one pedant, enter three (I'm the third).
I've also seen, though not very often, et al. spelled with a full stop after the l, implying it is an abbreviated form of the original.
Endeth the lesson. Or complication. Or whatever. here comes the fourth pedant (and proud to be! :p ) et al. (the correct form is with a point!) is the abbreviated form of the Latin et alii . It means "and others". .....err...uh....I am late......someone else already explained it....
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Re: From the Islamic protests against those cartoons
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02/13/06 09:22 AM
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Although I know it's incorrect, I almost always put my commas outside the quotation marks. I will say, though, that it looks wrong either way to me.
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Re: From the Islamic protests against those cartoons
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02/13/06 09:31 AM
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Oh, and I forgot. Nothing drives me more crazt than the way people use, or rather don't know how to use, the words your, you're, to, too, then, than. Just a pet peeve of mine.
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Re: From the Islamic protests against those cartoons
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02/13/06 09:51 AM
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Originally posted by exgigirl: Just a pet peeve of mine. Mine is people who use big words, and then use them incorrectly or spell them wrong.
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Re: From the Islamic protests against those cartoons
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02/13/06 10:37 AM
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Originally posted by plawrence: Although I know it's incorrect, I almost always put my commas outside the quotation marks. It is not incorrect, that's how Brits do it. Also that's how we do it in Persian, so I guess I'm conditioned to this method and that's why it makes more sense to me.
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