I couldn't agree more. He obviously had chemical weapons, at least at one point, because he used them on the Kurds.

Now if I had started a post like this I would have been called a bigot, asshole, a basher and someone who was only trying to start some sort of shit on this board . Anyway I just wanted to say goodbye to all ya. Have a good life and i'll see ya on the other side baby! I cannot take the back and forth anymore. It's like watching a f*&King talk show like Hannity and Colmes for Gods sake! Nothing ever gets done. Wow! What a world baby. Chow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DS

Just to be sure that I understand you correctly, FS:

The comments I quoted above apply to people from both sides of the political fence, and, in fact, do not necessarily apply exclusively to politics.

I thought the restaurant was in Staten Island

Is it just me, or is there something fishy about DS avator and signature????? I can't believe he'd even joke that way. I mean Michael Moore & "Bush Lied"??? DS, is that you?

Now if it's changed by the time I post this, I'm not seeing things really!!! :p


TIS

Maybe he's making a statement (or he pressed the wrong picture on the avatar selection screen).

At least there is no debate over my 'tar.

Since you mention your avatar, Double-J, I have trouble reading it.

The words aren't all that clear, and they seem to fade out before I can figure out exactly what they say.

Perhaps you'd be good enough to provide us with a transcript.

Let us have faith that right makes might and in that faith let us to the end dare to do our duty as we understand it

It is a quote from Mr. Lincoln's (before he was elected ) speech at the Cooper Union in New York. It is his closing words to the crowd.

You can find a transcript here.

Just to be sure that I understand you correctly, FS:

The comments I quoted above apply to people from both sides of the political fence, and, in fact, do not necessarily apply exclusively to politics. [/b][/quote]Yes, it doesn't matter what side of the political fence.

and No, my comments where exclusive to this subject.

Oh.

Well, I'm happy that you're including those of both political stripes, and I would agree with you to a great extent, but I thought your comments might also apply to areas outside of politics.

Well, I guess I won't argue with the words of President Lincoln.

It's just that sometimes we seem to confuse "Right makes might" with "Might makes right".

Tommorrow is another Day Pee.

Well, I guess I won't argue with the words of President Lincoln.

It's just that sometimes we seem to confuse "Right makes might" with "Might makes right". [/b][/quote]Looking for something to argue Pee?
Finding yourself in the need to get the board boiling?

Well, I guess I won't argue with the words of President Lincoln.

It's just that sometimes we seem to confuse "Right makes might" with "Might makes right". [/b][/quote]I didn't expect you to be a liker or respecter of President Lincoln Plaw. He did suspsend Habeas corpus.

and there are many slippery slopes too.

This brings me back to when we had to inform Patrick that Lincoln was most certainly not a liberal by todays standards. :p

Never said he was a liberal by today's standards. I said he was a liberal when he was President.

Either way, it would be incorrect.

No, it'd be correct. Lincoln was a liberal.

Citing what?

Ok, whatever.

American history.

Mind sharing some of those relevant facts with us, Patrick?

I don't claim to be an expert in history or civics, although when I see one of those articles about a survey in which High School and College kids don't know such simple things like the names of the three branches of our government, or how many senators each state has, or when the Civil War or World War I or II was, I have to think that I have at least as much knowledge as the next guy.

And, if I was around 140 years ago, I might very well have thought differently about the events then than the way I view them today, considering that my knowledge is based on little more than the rudimentary and biased High School and College view of American History that was presented 30-40 years ago.

But just to take Licoln's suspension of Habeas Corpus for example:

Here's the difference:

Although I differ with many of the political views of Rudy Guiliani, for some reason I instinctively trust him.

And if he were the president today, and this whole wiretapping and eavesdropping thing came out and he said that it was necessary for national security, I believe that I would trust his motives and believe him.

Of course, that's totally hypothetical, and i don't know how I would really feel if he was president, bu that's how I think I would look at it.

President Bush, on the other hand, I do not trust or believe.

I don't want to get into a whole Bush-bashing thing here yet again with specifics - I'm sure you can figure out your own examples of what I'm talking about here, anyway - but I think that the motives behind many of his actions are suspect at best and may border on criminal at worst.

And I think that some of the things he's told us may be displays of ineptitude at best, and outright lies at worst.

Now, as I say, I might've felt differently if I was around in 1865, but I have a feeling that Lincoln was a man worthy of my trust.

Don't mind at all, Jeff Jarrett. Here's a gimme: He freed the slaves.

Depends on whether you lived in the North or the South. Some in the lower states still hold a grudge against the man.

Considering that the majority of the South was willing to secede just because Lincoln was elected, I would say Lincoln was in some ways a more polarizing (extraneous circumstances notwithstanding) President that Bush could ever hope to be.

Well, as you know, I always enjoy a good argument.

But I thought I made it clear that I'm not gonna argue with the words of Mr. Lincoln.

And there's certainly enough boiling around here without my help.

I like to think that my comments are never the incendiary type that get people so crazed that they lose control.

I prefer to stick to cool logic and sound arguments, big words, proper spelling and grammar, and a heavy dose of sarcasm.

Don't mind at all, Jeff Jarrett. Here's a gimme: He freed the slaves. [/b][/quote]Oh, P.Diddy, he certainly wasn't liberal because of that. He was a free-soiler, and is quoted many times saying that while he disagreed with slavery, he felt it was his Presidential duty, bound by the constitution, to preserve slavery where it was legalized.

Doesn't exactly sound like the "liberal" you're saying he is.

Got any more nuggets of info, Puff Daddy?

Lincoln was a liberal.