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Re: Oscars Night
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03/07/06 08:00 PM
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Originally posted by ronnierocketAGO: On the same token of "whoring"....what about WALK THE LINE? A really nice film, but still, doesn't that term still technically allowable for that movie? Well, WALK THE LINE was in fact based on Johnny Cash's life, while LAST DAYS is vaguely based Kurt Cobain.
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Re: Oscars Night
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03/07/06 09:22 PM
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Originally posted by ronnierocketAGO:
No really, no one has said WHY "CRASH" deserved the Best Picture Oscar of 2005. Why? Was it touching? Was the acting superb? Was the script(*vomits*) great? It was the only one out of the 5 I'd seen, but I thought it was very good. Sure, prehaps the concept has been done before, but compared to some that have won in the recent past (LOTR, Sideways)Crash definately deserved it. It was not whiney melodramatic crap, it was simply the tales of people's lives. It was done well, and was refreshingly diffrent than the rest of the films that were released last year.
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Re: Oscars Night
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03/07/06 09:42 PM
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Originally posted by AppleOnYa: are you saying that audiences are somehow more comfortable with the eccentric, more flamboyant type of homosexual as Capote was (or the comical one played by Nathan Lane in 'Birdcage)...rather than the fictional cowboys in love depicted in Brokeback Mtn? I know you're not asking me, but I'd say yes. Not that that's necessarily what Lavinia is saying - altho I think it is - but, "yes" I'd agree with that statement for pretty much the same reasons she gave. Frankly, I hadn't even heard of the film 'Crash' until this past week as it got close to Oscar night. Contrary to all they hype around Brokeback Mtn precisely because of the subject matter. The fact that the move that received MUCH less publicity was still considered worthy of the Best Picture vote speaks volumes for the work itself.
Though I haven't seen either of them...it appears more and more that the right movie won. I don't see how you can say that without having seen either one and forming your own opinion. I haven't seen either myself, so I have absolutely no idea whatsoever which one - if either - should have won since all of the criteria used in judging is 100% subjective.
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Re: Oscars Night
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03/07/06 10:52 PM
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Originally posted by plawrence: [QUOTE]...Not that that's necessarily what Lavinia is saying - altho I think it is - but, "yes" I'd agree with that statement for pretty much the same reasons she gave.... Somehow, that doesn't surprise me. Either the answer or the fact that you sought out only my post to reply to. :rolleyes: Apple
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Re: Oscars Night
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03/07/06 10:56 PM
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It merited a response. The first part I was more agreeing with Lavinia than responding to what you said. The second part, I was really wondering.
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Re: Oscars Night
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03/08/06 04:59 AM
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Originally posted by AppleOnYa: So are you saying that audiences are somehow more comfortable with the eccentric, more flamboyant type of homosexual as Capote was (or the comical one played by Nathan Lane in 'Birdcage)...rather than the fictional cowboys in love depicted in Brokeback Mtn? correct Originally posted by AppleOnYa: But aside from that, do you truly feel that the cowboys in love theme is the reason for it not winning Best Picture over Crash? I think it can be a major reason.
I don't want realism. I want magic! Yes, yes, magic. I try to give that to people. I do misrepresent things. I don't tell the truth. I tell what ought to be truth (Blanche/A streetcar named desire)
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Re: Oscars Night
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03/08/06 05:17 AM
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Originally posted by Don Vercetti: For anyone who cares, we have our own voting at the Film board. Did you see the thread I posted about a week ago? I did something similar. Winners in bold. Best Picture - "Brokeback Mountain"- "Layer Cake" - "The Weatherman" - "Capote" - "Broken Flowers" Best Actor - Jake Gyllenhaal in "Brokeback Mountain" - Heath Ledger in "Brokeback Mountain" - Nicolas Cage in "The Weatherman" - Phillip Seymour Hoffman in "Capote"- Bill Murray in "Broken Flowers" Best Actress ? Best Supporting Actor - Colm Meaney in "Layer Cake" - Michael Caine in "The Weatherman" - Clifton Collins Jr. in "Capote"- George Clooney in "Syriana" - Benicio Del Toro in "Sin City" Best Supporting Actress - Michelle Williams in "Brokeback Mountain"- Hope Davis in "The Weatherman" - Sharon Stone in "Broken Flowers" - Catherine Keener in "The 40 Year Old Virgin" - Anne Hathaway in "Brokeback Mountain" Best Director - Ang Lee for "Brokeback Mountain"- Matthew Vaughn for "Layer Cake" - Gore Verbinski for "The Weatherman" - Bennet Miller for "Capote" - Jim Jaramusch for "Broken Flowers"
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Re: Oscars Night
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03/08/06 08:06 AM
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Lav, I'm going to watch BBM this weekend, don't know when I'll be able to see the Crash, but have you seen Crash by any chance?
I still think Academy really liked BBM with 8 nominations, giving nods to the movies most people haven't seen based on political/social motives. They are more than ready for these themes. If you look at the awards, you see that the screenplay for both movies won, one of them being original screen play, the other adapted from a book. However with a best director award against a best editing award, I really couldn't say which one would win the best picture. I guess the brevity won the reward. Or Maybe Academy gave the final nod to Crash only because of the present atmosphere in the US and the tensions in the past years.
I'm not sure what this movie is about, but I've to tell you, it is not a good feeling being a Middle-Eastern/Arab right now in the US. Living in the South for a while, I've seen the discrimination against African American is also well and alive. Some people literally move out of a neighborhood because some African Americans have just moved in. Even African Americans try to stick together, like in the Church, they try to sit in a few rows up in the balcony or in the back and most of them don't feel like mixing in the crowd, doing discrimination against themselves or others(?).
This might be the problem only in an almost small town like Birmingham AL., but it is far from being a solved issue everywhere. I think, they felt that this would give this movie a chance to be seen by more people, while BBM is already a controversial movie and will be seen by many people with 8 nominations and three wins.
Just my two baseless cents.
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Re: Oscars Night
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03/08/06 08:33 AM
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Originally posted by afsaneh77: Lav, I'm going to watch BBM this weekend, good, I'm looking forward to your comments!  Even if I think you'll find it...how could I say? too romantic....well, sort of...  Just assuming, uh? Originally posted by afsaneh77: don't know when I'll be able to see the Crash, but have you seen Crash by any chance? not seen it yet. But sure I'll do it ASAP. I'm anxious to see the film which snatched BBM best picture oscar!  :p Now, seriously. I see where you come from, Afi. I'm glad if this movie -- Crash -- is going to be watched by a larger audience after getting a BP oscar. Racism all of sort is far from being won, and definitely not only in USA, so any occasion to meditate about it, is to be entirely welcomed, really. But I don't like these considerations -- right and noble as they are -- might have been more important than merely evaluating the quality, the beauty and the greatness of a movie. After all, it is cinema we are talking about. Today I'm a little more relaxed on the whole story. I know BBM is a splendid piece of cinema. It deeply touched my heart and I'm grateful. I've been moved. Thousands people have been moved all around the world and more and more thousands will be moved in the future. After all, this is the best achievement a movie can get.
I don't want realism. I want magic! Yes, yes, magic. I try to give that to people. I do misrepresent things. I don't tell the truth. I tell what ought to be truth (Blanche/A streetcar named desire)
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Re: Oscars Night
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03/08/06 10:08 AM
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Originally posted by afsaneh77: I remember I wasn't pleased with Million Dollar Baby winning last year, but after watching all the nominated movies, I think Academy simply chose the best picture without any considerations, if you know what I mean. I don't remember which were the other nominees last year. Oh, wait, maybe The Aviator. Which was a bit of a disappointement for me. And I'm gonna watch Sideways soon so I don't know. Sure Million dollar baby was good, very good. Not a milestone in movie history though. Ok, oh and as for BBM I don't need a formal review, Afi. Just your thoughts. Your usual brilliant insightful thoughts. 
I don't want realism. I want magic! Yes, yes, magic. I try to give that to people. I do misrepresent things. I don't tell the truth. I tell what ought to be truth (Blanche/A streetcar named desire)
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Re: Oscars Night
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03/08/06 08:31 PM
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I know I am a bit late on this post but I was very happy that Crash won. I can't believe it, and I was in shock myslef, but it really was a very deep and compelling movie. 'I have a huge crush on Clooney and am very happy for him as well. I still don't get it about Best Song...how could that happen?
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