It preaches blind faith and demonizes free thinking. It dictates what's good and what's bad.

I can't think of a worse story.

Noah's Arc is pretty horrible too...don't believe in God and you drown? That's insane.

The bible has got to be the most evil and dangerous book ever written.

Now children, please open up your little red books to page 15, so we can learn about how Chairman Mao invented electricity! Remember, children, Uncle Stalin wants what is best for you!

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Finally, try actually reading the Bible. I know. Reading is H-A-R-D, but you'll get it. And if you don't, I'm sure there's room for you in the Charles Manson fanclub.

What the hell are you talking about?

What the hell are you talking about?

The bible is an evil book.

What are you talking about?

Citing two Old Testament stories (ignoring the actual significance or messages behind them)?

The Quaran is an evil book. Why? Because muslims are waging a Jihad on us. I can't think of a worse story. The Quaran has got to be the most evil and dangerous book ever written.

Did I say the Quran wasn't evil?

Any book that tells people what's right and what's wrong, and encourages blind faith over what makes sense, is evil and dangerous.

That's your (misguided) interpretation of what is being said in those particular passages of the Old Testament (did you happen to turn to the other half of the book...you know, the New Testament?). You're interpreting that the story of Noah's Ark is one of a destructive, hateful God who punishes nonbelievers and sinners. First of all, the Old Testament is really "wrath of God" type stuff. Second of all, the more common (and sensible) interpretation would be the fact that it is Noah (and his families) unflinching faith in God that they are saved when the rest of the world is blotted out. Third, define "what makes sense," since you throw this out there.

I suggest that you actually go back and read the entire good book, instead of making such asinine statements. While it is certainly your opinion, I think you'll find most (sensible) people would disagree with you.

But then again...what exactly would be your idea of a good book?

I'd have to disagree with ya.

While I'm not an overly religious guy, you're rant basically misinterprets everything in the bible.

While I think it's ok to believe what you want to and if you're not religious that's fine with me, I'm not one to pressure, but still, the most evil and dangerous book ever written? How exactly?

I mean really DVC, you're the one pointing fingers at what's good and evil.

So unflinching faith in God will save people? Unflinching faith in anything can never be good, and will almost always end in disaster. How are people suppossed to think for themselves if they have "unflinching faith."

So unflinching faith in God will save people? Unflinching faith in anything can never be good, and will almost always end in disaster. How are people suppossed to think for themselves if they have "unflinching faith." [/b][/quote]Jesus Christ (literally), read the whole friggin' book. Moses comes down from Mt. Sinai and gives the people God's 10 Commandments. It's up to you whether you want to follow them or not. I'd say that is the ultimate choice, you can "think for yourself," wouldn't you agree? It can't be any more black and white than that.

Again, its very difficult to debate with someone who already has such a misinformed and convoluted sense of what the Holy Scriptures represent, but I sincerely hope that you will actually take the time to read the book before you make any more asinine statements. Or, if you choose not to, feel free to pick up the Communist Manifesto.

If people have the choice to follow the 10 commandments or not, then why do they even exist?

I like how Double-J equates being anti-religious with communism. Cause I mean it would be impossible to not love Jesus and still be democratic person…?

Someone should tell God you don't appreciate His work.
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Well, DVC.....

I know you're engaged in a bit of hyperbole here with that statement, but don't you think calling the Bible "the most evil and dangerous book ever written" goes a bit too far?

DVC, As for "blind faith", what other kind is there?? All faith must be blind to a certain extent. That's what faith is. It is believing in something that you can't touch or see, but that you believe in your heart and soul.

I heard a story once that, for me, sums up how we should conduct our relationship with God. A man lives in a town that has been inundated with flooding rain. The radio report states that the town is being evacuated because of the flood. The man says to himself, "I'm a religious man, I pray. God will save me," and he refuses to leave. The rain continues and the man must move up to the second floor of his house because of the rising waters.

A guy in a rowboat comes along with a megaphone, offering a ride to evacuees. Our friend says to himself, "I'm a religious man, I pray. God will save me," and he declines the ride.

Soon, he must move up to the rooftop of his home because the waters have risen past his windows. A guy in a helicopter sees him and offers to take him to safety. He declines, thinking to himself, "I'm a religious man, I pray. God will save me."

The man drowns. When he goes to heaven, he demands an audience with God. He says to God, "All my life, I served You. I was faithful. I prayed. But when I needed you most, you didn't save me."

And God says, "I sent you a radio report, a guy in a rowboat and a helicopter. What are you doing here?"

I believe that God sends help every day. You just have to trust in Him, and trust in yourself to recognize it. If that's "blind faith" in your opinion, then so be it. But I think that we must all choose to follow what we believe in our hearts, and to conduct ourselves as best we can as human beings.

"The Godfather" is a good book. If it didn't include all that crap about Lucy Mancini and Dr. Jules Segal it'd be a GREAT book.

The Bible presents us a series of virtues and ethic guidelines, trough metaphores. It's not historic fact, but merely an allegory of theologic thinking. The Bible tells us the ethic standards which Christianity and Jesus present. The goal is to be a more humane person and to improve the quality of humanity. The main person of the Bible is leftwing (Jesus), but it were always the rightwing people who were the most religious, and who leaded the religion (The Church).

I believe there are many gradations to follow the Bible.
You can really live your life according to it (= Ned Flanders )
You can get some ethical guidelines from it, and ignore the somewhat fascist passages. I heard there are some passages that say that if 2 men have sex together they should be killed.
Or you just want to enjoy a good novel, written in a nice literature style.

I don't see how a somewhat ignorant attack on the Bible has anything to do with the red books of communism.

I think the point DJ is trying to make with his comparisons of the Bible to Chairman Mao's "Little Red Book" - and please correct me if I'm wrong here, DJ - is that if we're gonna start talking about "the most evil and dangerous books in the world" he'd consider Mao's book to be considerably more evil and dangerous than the Bible.

And while I find personally find some of the stuff in the Bible to be a little bit silly, in general I do not find it to be at all "evil or dangerous", except for a few isolated passages.

Exactly.

If I recall correctly from my Catholic School training, that was not the story behind Noah's Ark. It had more to do with corruption.

Anyway, of course most of the stories in The Bible couldn't have possibly really happened. It's the lessons learned from them that are supposed to have the greater impact. Adam & Eve were punished with the emotion of shame when they gave in to temptation, disobeyed God and ate the Forbidden Fruit (with the help of that darned Serpeant).

Adam & Eve, Cain & Abel (I am not my brother's keeper), Abraham sacrificing his son, Noah's Ark (which some people are still searching for, by the way)...all of it is fiction
but each story has a lesson that is supposed to stay with you throughout life. You can reject the lessons or use them as a guide, but that's individual choice.

Pretty easy to figure out if you just think a little bit.

Apple

Yeah, the bible is pretty barbaric. But it's also unrealistic. The difference between reading the bible and believing it to reading any fairy tale and believing it, is popularity and support. Believe everything you read in the bible, you're a good Christian, believe everything you read in Hansel and Gretel, you're very gullible and naive (or 4 years old).

Anyway, I can understand having a belief, it adds culture and honor to our lives. But since everybody's different, I can't understand why anyone would want to follow an organized religion. As far as I'm concerned, believe what you want to believe, live how you want to live, and don't let others stand in your way. If you believe the works of the Holy Bible, then study it on your own, the story doesn't change any if it's read by a reverend. Life is too short to be bothered and run a compromisable life based on the orders of others. Any power hungry individual can become a religious leader, just get money, and convince people that the way they are doing things is the wrong way. Good public speaking ability is also a plus, ask Hitler.

The thing that gets me most about religion is that it's abused so much today. Hypocracy is at it's prime causing this genuine practice to degenerate. And it's used so much in politics today, I can't stand it. As I've said, you can believe what you want to believe, and you can follow principles, but don't let 'faith' get in the way of your reason, or your judgment when you have fact to back it up. Good advice for the president. A man who bases so much of his decisions on 'instinct'. Iraq was 'instinct', if that does anything for you.

But when it comes to pointing fingers to who's full of shit, don't base it upon popularity, if the man who sold Jack his beans was God, then Jack's quest up the beanstalk would be a book in the bible (the book of "Jack") and would be studied as a truth throughout civilization, though it's just as credible as any other story (like Noah's Ark).

Anyway, don't take any of this to heart. I'm not trying to tell you how to run your life, but I hope you do consider what I say. Just do me a favor by asking yourself, "Who's being naive, Kay".

The Bible isn't meant to be taken literally, which is my actually Catholic school teaching. They teach it was passed down by oral tradition, and should not be taken word for word.

But the most evil book ever? That's a ridiculous statement, as well as several others.

If you don't have to follow the commandments, what's the point? The point is God isn't a slave master.

I can name many books more evil. In fact, here's one I'll recommend.

The stories in the Bible are true events that happened. Believe them or not that is up to you. I choose to believe.

I just love the irony in that The Bible and Mao's "Little Red Book" are the two best-selling non-fiction books in world history.

The Bible is far from an evil book. The reason there is a choice to follow the ten commandments or not is because we believe there are two places you can go when you die.

The goal of the people who wrote the stories in the Bible was not to let people believe them litteraly.

You rarely ever see me get involved in religious debates here on these boards. But I must say that I cannot understand why anyone would take such a cheap shot like this one at the Judeo/Christian stories of the Holy Bible.

And for that matter I cannot understand why anyone would take such a cheap shot at the stories in any religion's holy book!




Don Cardi

Don Cardi...I think the topic was thrown out there mainly to bait people into discussion, see how many feathers it could ruffle, etc. No small coincidence that the thread was begun as many celebrate Passover and/or prepare for Easter. Religion is in the forefront this week.

Basically it's called having nothing better to do.

Apple