Thanks Pastapunk I do love to eat that's the second best thing I can do with my mouth.

Luca, I'm all ears.....

Ok, pinching myself - back on topic...

#1 - I have always maintained there are different levels of love depending on where you are in your life. Some people go all their life in love with one person; some fall in love as often as changing clothes. Do you remember what puppy love felt in high school or college? Like you'd never love again - compare that love to the love you feel with a life partner later in life. And what about lust-love? Women think with their libido as well, it is not just men. Michael loved 2 different women in 2 different ways.

#2 - What was Michael's state of mind when he was in Sicily, after being through all he had been through. Ever hear of loving when emotionally vulnerable?

#3 - Who is to say one love in your life is better than another? Some people go through life with no good love in their life. Better more love than no love, I say.

And last point - I LOOOOOOVED the Sicily scenes.

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Mike loved Kay, but he knew (rightfully so) that Kay would not fit into the lifestyle he was choosing when he told his father that he was with him now. Apolonia, having been born in Sicilly would have been familiar with the lifestyle and more accepting.

When he came back, I think he rightfully believed he was going to legitimize the family business. It's been a while since I read the book, so I could be wrong.

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Oh, God... I can imagine her picking grapes... GOD HELP ME!

And, look! With that post, I'm a CAPO! YEAH! I'm happy.

Congratulations Anthony!!!!

TIS

Congratulations, Lombardi!! I would just like to state some things quickly again.

• Mike returned from the war, he's now in the cold, dreary chill of New England, at an Ivy League school.
• Now he was away from his family, his food and his women.
• In his lonliness he falls in love with a college girl who just HAPPENS to be a W.A.S.P. because not many Italian girls are there.
• Going with Kay is a result of the above as well as another act of rebellion against his father's traditions, and an effort to further distance himself from his family.
• Kay was not just a different culture, she was a different race. Mike didn't slap her when she admitted the abortion, he slapped her when she spoke with contempt about "...this Sicilian thing!"
• Mike told his father "I'm with YOU now", and that means in all ways.
• Even if Apollonia would have had a moustache , she brought the life and fun out of Mike, and she would have understood the life of "The Family".
• Mike resigned himself to Kay in order to have kids. There was affection but NO passion.
• He was thinking with his penis with KAY in college, NOT with his beautiful Sicilian, funloving woman, the symbol (Tony D said it well) of the purity of the traditional Sicilian life.

I won't say more.But I cannot believe this thread even got started... And let me be even more frank just to show you that I'm not a hard-hearted man, and it's not all dollars and cents. She was beautiful; she was young, she was innocent. She was the greatest--HEY HEY ...here I go again...lemme getta holda myself...I gotta go. Sorry.

Enough men bashing! Come on ladies, not all guys think with their "lower brains", and you know a lot of women, and you know what I'm talking about, follow the "any" man is better than no man philosphy of life.

Michael was just a guy who fell for a beautiful young girl and then married her. After she was sadly blown to bits, he went back to the States, waited at least a YEAR, then showed up unexpectedly to reclaim his 2nd choice Kay, who made him a good wife.

Would we women have been as polite as the guys have been if any of them had said "Kay followed HER pee-pee and made the bad mistake of ending up married to Michael."?

Hi,
Congrats Anthony.

Paul

Thanks...

Grazie, everyone... For the warm congradulation!

Awwww..Anthony, you made it to capo..will you still be my friend even though you're high up there?..
congratulations, my love.

Kay has a pee-pee?

Grazie, PP! My most loyal friend!

'Course, you'll still be my friend! Always and forever!

LMAO!!! Not THAT kind of "pee pee". *regrets using the term "pee pee" in the first place*

Sounds dumb calling it a "pee-pee" male or female,doesn't it? I was trying t make a point, that's all

just pulling your leg, i know what you meant . so i can honestly say i wouldn't say that Kay was thinking with her pee pee for marrying Michael . she wasn't really thinking too much about it which was her problem i think.

No Problem!

I kinda wonder if maybe she thought she was getting a bit up there age wise and there wasn't too many other offers coming her way so she just settled for him?

I mean really, he just disappeared for a whole year, didn't even try and contact her at all , then waits at least a yea or longer after he gets back to go and see her ! What would you have done?

Actually, I think he disappeared for 3 yrs! I wouldn't go back to someone who blew me off(and got married, although I guess she didn't know) for that long!

i don't think she settled for him (she was only 21 at the time, still hope yet even during those times). i believe she really loved him and love is blind. he was that mysterious dark handsome (but not tall ) guy from her past that swept her off her romantic silly feet so she overlooked all the warning signs.

i can't think of a man that i would go back with after the dumped me for 3 years AND married someone else. but alas, i never was a starry-eyed kind of girl. there is at least one mysterious dark handsome guy in my past and i'm so thankful i am not married to him!

I agree with both Undule8 and Saladbar. I wouldn't have gone back to a man who left me and disappeared for three years either. As I said before, that's longer than I would wait for any man. I'm also glad to know that there are at least a few of us who sympathize with Kay and who aren't caught up in that "Apollonia was so perfect and beautiful" crap. To tell you the truth, I think that whole "thunderbolt" thing was crap too, and the scenes in Sicily in Part 1 are my least favorite.

Yep, Michael was horney and selfish...and I guess Kay was just ignorant.

...although I might go back for Al Pacino LOL

I know i would not have gone with a man who left me after 3 years. Then, have the NERVE to tell me that he's been back for about a year without calling or writing! Am I suppose to believe that he needs me?? I will be a fool to believe that crap! Michael lied to her from the time he returned to Sicily! Its her fault for believing in that crap...

What really urked me was Kay coming over his PARENTS home trying to hunt Michael down. It showed Kay as a desperate woman. If ANY MAN ever told me that he did not know I will ever see him again and we are engaged, our relationship is over! and you he need not be alarmed that I will even try to contact him again.

WOW! Yet another Phoebe Cates!! I'm going Good avatar, deathkiss!

Regarding Kay...you're right. But who would've taken the poor plain Jane anyway?? She would've died an old maid.

Thanks Snake,
You know if i had written the script or book, I think it would have been best if Michael met another woman to marry. I personally believe that the Appolonia junket was crap. And Kay, a mature and educated young lady, behaving the way that she did was not believable . I am sorry, I don't think Michael was truly in love with two different women in different ways. If he was truly in love with Kay, he would not have married Appolonia, regardless of the circumstances. And falling in love due to a 'thunderbolt' is a condition that was imagined in Mario Puzo's mind. Have any of you GF fans ever heard of it other than in the Godfather?
to me thunderbolt=sex not love

In the book she went over to the house after the police contacted her. The police told her about what Michael did, and she went over there to find out what's going on.

that does put a different spin on it. i would want to know the truth for some closure on the affair. not that anyone would actually say yes, Michael is a murderer but you can assess how the household acts about the accusation.

Kay should have let it all go, but as i keep saying love can put blinders on even the smart ones.

Isn't that true about the blinders!

And actually, his Mom pretty much told her he was a murderer.

I have to admit, Kay really fell hard for Michael. And I don't think she ever fell out of love with him. How many MARRIED women who will prance around the countryside with their ex? Kay was the only personal attachment Michael really had. Its a sad situation and in a strange way, I think they deserve one another.