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Tricks used to make us love a character #167983
06/27/02 11:33 PM
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In the book, The Godfather, Don Corleone bullies union members. He believes that monopoly is efficient. He wreacks havoc any business that's in competition with his and he ruthlessly deals with those who cross him as casually as a child would squash an ant. So let's face it, Don Corleone is a degenerate slime of the first class.

Since he seem to have no regard for the law or for values, why do we all love him so much?

I think that Puzo makes us love him and his family with several strokes of genius. From the first 3 pages of the novel, he introduces Bonasera to us and other people who are in serious trouble and need to go to the great Don for help. From then on we automaticly think of Don Corleone as a modern day Zorro or Robin Hood. And we are fascinated by the imply power of the Don when he camly tells his godson that he would get what he want.

Then later in the book Puzo shows us that Don Corleone has limits even in his illegal activities: He would not deal drugs under any circumstance. Then the only favor he asks Bonasera in return is, him, Bonasera, fixing his dead son so he would look good for his mother. These little details can only make us love a man even if he's a criminal.

What do you think? What were the tricks used by Puzo that made you love his characters or even dream about being a Don?

Re: Tricks used to make us love a character #167984
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By the way, does any one have an idea on how Don Corleone managed to pass Jack Woltz private security in his estate to get to the house? And how did they put the horses head in the bed without waking up Woltz or the butler?

Re: Tricks used to make us love a character #167985
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I think we are led to believe it was Luca Brasi's doing. Bribing whoever needed be. Without waking up Woltz would nearly be impossible. It's a great scene but very far fetched. Maybe he had his drink spiked to put him deep into sleep.

I'm quite surprised your initial question hasn't been answered. It's a good topic.

My vote is for Luca Brasi. Definatelly the most interesting character in the book. Now during the book we are forced to read about his evilness, the baby and the Capone's men incidents. But somehow because of his loyalty to Don Corleone we accept him because we like Vito Corleone for all the reasons Machiavelli wrote. It's just a pity the film made him out to be a bumbling idiot.


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Re: Tricks used to make us love a character #167986
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If you remember in the novel Woltz was a pedophile who liked YOUNG girls, I'm surprised the Don didn't have him killed! Nothing was too far-fetched for Luca Brasi, if you read the novel and know what he did to his own baby you wouldn't be surprised at anything he'd get done for his "Don".


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Re: Tricks used to make us love a character #167987
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You're absolutely right, Scarlett.

And your observation is right on too, Machiavelli. I think the "Robin Hood" analogy is the clincher. Not just the don's benevolence, but also his unwavering loyalty attracted others and gained him respect. Charisma, determination, trustworthiness, and danger: what a mix! Puzo couldn't have painted a better don.


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Re: Tricks used to make us love a character #167988
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Quote:
Originally posted by Machiavelli:
In the book, The Godfather, Don Corleone bullies union members. He believes that monopoly is efficient. So let's face it, Don Corleone is a degenerate slime of the first class.

Since he seem to have no regard for the law or for values, why do we all love him so much?

I think that Puzo makes us love him and his family with several strokes of genius. we think of Don Corleone as a modern day Zorro or Robin Hood. And we are fascinated by the imply power of the Don when he camly tells his godson that he would get what he want.

Then later in the book Puzo shows us that Don Corleone has limits even in his illegal activities: He would not deal drugs under any circumstance. Then the only favor he asks Bonasera in return is, him, Bonasera, fixing his dead son so he would look good for his mother. These little details can only make us love a man even if he's a criminal.

What do you think? What were the tricks used by Puzo that made you love his characters or even dream about being a Don?
Yes Puzo was very clever at making us take the characters to heart. Showing the family scenes around the table and the love they all have for each other. The film to me is more a study of family and the disintegreation of it than an out and out mobster film.
We think the characters are not all bad because of the morals they hold in other areas of life like for family or Vitos reluctance to enter the drug trade. Hell,I even ended up feeling sorry for Michael who was a right bad ass underneath the nice college boy exterior.
Puzo is a genius Tho I have seen it wrote some people thought by doing this he glamorized the mafia style and made it not so much a black life as a varying shade of grey
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"Your sins are many, it is good that you suffer". The Cardinal during Michael's confession to him in The Godfather III.

I think Michael was 2nd in line in the cold-hearted dept. after Luca Brasi. To kill his own BROTHER, the Congressional Medal of Ugly for that one!


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Re: Tricks used to make us love a character #167990
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Quote:
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"Your sins are many, it is good that you suffer". The Cardinal during Michael's confession to him in The Godfather III.

I think Michael was 2nd in line in the cold-hearted dept. after Luca Brasi. To kill his own BROTHER, the Congressional Medal of Ugly for that one!
Absolutely right. That's a sheer disregard for humanity.

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Machiavelli wrote :
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Originally posted by Scarlett:
"Your sins are many, it is good that you suffer". The Cardinal during Michael's confession to him in The Godfather III.

I think Michael was 2nd in line in the cold-hearted dept. after Luca Brasi. To kill his own BROTHER, the Congressional Medal of Ugly for that one!
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Absolutely right. That's a sheer disregard for humanity.
I couldn't agree more but that's how Mafia is in real life. And think abt royal families, they used to kill each other to get closer to the throne. Read Shakespeare plays, he's a master at telling such stories (based on true facts), and think abt the Borgias that got mentioned in GF III.

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