actually accardo was a good boss,but the hit on
giancana was sanctioned by the cia and carried out
by trafficante jr. giancana had sought refuge in
mexico,he said it was to retire but i have heard
that operation cuba failing like it did was his reason,he knew that he was next on the list to go,
he was shot in his basement kitchen while cooking
sausages,5 times under the chin once in the back
of the head.

I think to be considered the best, you have to have on top for a long time. Al Capone, famous, wealthy, and ruthless as he was, really was only on top for about 5 years. I think your choices for 1 and 2 are good ones, and I think you would need to add Castellano onto the reign of Gambino. They basically ruled from 1957 to 1985 and generated enormous wealth and power.

Giancana was a ruthless killer that seemed to enjoy killing. He was exiled to Mexico for 10 years, and was suspected of planning to "talk" to the government.

Gotti was just a thug, he had no leadership abilities and his arrogance is what led to his downfall, and the decreased power of the Gambino family.

[ November 01, 2001: Message edited by: Don Marco ]

Best bosses (#1-5)

Period: 1930-1960 Family
1. Joseph Profaci - Profaci/Colombo(1925-1962)
2. Joseph Bonnano - Bonnano (1931-1967)
3. Thomas Luchese - Luchese (1931-1967)
4. Carlo Gambino - Gambino (1957-1976)
5. Vito Genovese - Genovese (1957-1969)

Period: 1960-1990
1. Antonio Corallo - Luchese (1973-1986)
2. Paul Castellano - Gambino (1976-1985)
3. Vincent Gigante - Genovese (1982-1997)
4. Joseph Massino - Bonnano (1992-)
5. Carmine Persico - Colombo (1978-1986)

Best non-NYC Bosses
1. Sam Giancana d. 1975 (Chicago)
2. Angelo Bruno d. 1980 (Philadelphia)
3. Santo Trafficante Jr d. 1987 (Florida)
4. Simmone DeCavalcante d. 1997 (New Jersey)
5. Thomas DeSimmone d. 1974 (Los Angeles)

Worst Bosses
1. Vittorio Amuso [Luchese] (1986-1992)
2. Ralph Natale [Bruno] (1994-1999)
3. Carmine Galante [Bonnano] (1974-1979)
4. Joseph Colombo [Colombo] (1964-1971)
5. John Gotti [Gambino] (1985-1992)

[ November 01, 2001: Message edited by: Joey Montana ]

The greatest don was definietly charles "lucKy{ Luciano.

The worst Don is definitely John Gotti,. in my opinion.

Lots of typos, eh? How is the worst Don John Gotti? Remember that, uh, insane guy who founded Murder, Inc.? He is probably the worst Don ever.

Charlie Lucky was definitely a contender for Top Don of all time. His organization of all of the disparate and contentious Families into a single cohesive entity is proof alone of his prescient genius. Do not forget that during WWII it was on his account that the eastern US seaboard was safe from Axis attack; and on his word The Allies were able to safely gain a foothold in Sicilia, receiving a warm welcome from the mafiosi there. Vito Genovese may have done the legwork, but it was Charlie Lucky who gave the go-ahead to permit a smooth Allied invasion. Do not forget also that he controlled ALL prostitution in the US during his day. Charlie Lucky not only headed the Commission as Capo di tutti capi, but also constituted the liaison between the US and Sicilian factions of Mafia. His calling together of all the chieftains, both the domestic Commission and the Sicilian Cupola in 1957 at the Grand Hotel des Palmes in Palermo laid the foundation for the consolidation of the international narcotics industry, from the French Connection all the way to the Pizza Connection. He was negotiating the rights to his life story as a novel-to-become-major-motion-picture at the time of his death by heart attack in 1960. No one could touch Salvatore Lucania, THE MAN 'Charlie Lucky.'

I dont agree with Don Jansi at all. Your reasons were merely pointless. I gave great points on why I have my top 5. You my friend ought to read a couple a books a sign uo for my class Mafia 101 and it is located at the Godfather boards and free of charge. hahahahahahahahaa

Don Jasani,I respect your opinions and say that you have done a good job in your picks.Keep the work up.

*Cough* Brownnoser *Cough*

Please respect my opinions as Ive tried to respect yours.

I don't want to get into a long and boring war of words with Don Liguito...but some of the Mob related books I have read..(excluding articles and websites): "The Godfather", "The Sicilian", "The Last Don", "Omerta" (all Puzo), "Donnie Brasco" - Joe Pistone w./Richard Woodley, "Capo" - Peter Watson, "Wiseguy" - Nicholas Pileggi, "Underboss" - Peter Maas and "Double Cross" - Sam & Chuck Giancana.
You may not agree with my list and of course that is your right. But you have no right questioning my knowledge about Organized Crime..not that I value your opinion too much...

yes I definitely agree with Don Rico. Lucky luciano was aweseom..

as far as everyones post on this topic,no one can
pick a boss who is or was the best,you cant read books on the life these guys lead and assume your
knowledge is more then someone elses,the actual stories these guys tell are mostly lies and b.s.
they glamourise this life style and in return you
suck up huge amounts of this info.and you all start fighting over who is RIGHT and WRONG-none of you are right and you are not wrong,unless you live that life or worked with that man there is no answer,these half assed wiseguys lead very low and dismal existances,keep on fighting though,it
is very entertaining. :p

my top 10:
1. Carlo Gambino
2. Lucky Luciano
3. Al capone
4. Albert anastacia
6. Vito genovese
7. John Gotti.
8. VITO CORLEONE
9. MICHEAL CORLEONE
10.VINCENT CORLEONE..

Carlo was together with lucky the greatest.

Vincent Salvatore LoScalzo DOB: 5/6/37

RAP SHEET: 7/1/89 - racketeering, security fraud, grand theft, sale of unregistered security, organzied scheme to defraud- charges dropped then reinstated- pled no contest to sale of unregistered security on October 7, 1997, received three years probation


OCCUPATION: LoScalzo was a registered agent of Mahalo Auto Sales until the middle of last year

He is also reputed to have an interest in the now bankrupt ValuCar Auto Sales

His past employment included interests in Rumors Lounge, Blue Penguin Lounge, Deuce Lounge, Chip-In Bar, Blind Pig Bar, Jack's Liqours, Scoreboard Lounge, Ernesto's Bar and Package, Imperial Liquors, Bill Barber Wholesale, A. Terrana Grocery and Market, Mike's Lounge, Lo-Val, SAL Incorporated, Brother's Lounge

ACTIVITIES:

Alleged boss of the Tampa Mafia from March 17, 1987 to present

Vincent is the son of late mob soldier Angelo "The Hammer" LoScalzo, and brother of late Marcello family associate Antonino LoScalzo

The Loscalzo family moved from Sicily through New Orleans to Tampa

After Trafficante's death in 1987 LoScalzo was observed in various meetings across the country with organized crime figures from Arizona, Chicago, California, New Orleans, New Jersey, and New York

LoScalzo also had ties to Sicilian crime figures through John Dellaplata and Steve Raffa

Reportedly, LoScalzo's right hand men and hierarchy of the family are Frank Albano and James Valenti

MY KIND OF BOSS,SMART BUT TUFF

THE BEST BOSS WAS Charles "Lucky" Luciano. Definetly, without a doubt.

I still say the greatest boss of all time is.

ANTHONY (JOE BATTERS) ACARDO

And no one will change my mind on this.

The best American Mafia boss, in my opinion, was Frank Costello, "the chairman of the board," who took over from Charlie Luciano after the latter's jailing. He was probably the model for Vito Corleone, in that he had the gambling and the unions, was very politically powerful ("had all the judges in NY"), eschewed traffic in drugs and women, and had the vision to put his hand into gambling as far away as New Orleans, Nevada and Cuba. He was convicted only once, survived an assassination attempt, retired when it was time to do so, and died peacefully. Charlie Luciano deserves credit for arranging for the demise of the "moustache Petes" Masseria and Maranzano, and, instead of trying for the title of capo di tutti capi, setting up the Commission, which accomplished the same thing for him. He also had an eclectic view of talent, reaching out for non-Sicilian and non-Italian advisers and associates. But Luciano wasn't smart enough to keep away from high-profile crimes like narcotics and large-scale prostitution. These proved to be his demise. After only five years on top, he was given a 30-year sentence, then deported, then died in exile--not exactly a grand capstone to a great career. As for Capone: he wasn't Mafia; he wasn't even a Sicilian. There was a Mafia in Chicago at the time, called the Unione Siciliano, which was a kind of racketeering clearing house with political muscle. Capone payed fealty to its head, Mike Merlo, and when Merlo died, tried (not always successfully) to have one of his own, Sicilan guys as head of the Unione.

Some of the great Don's are: Carlo Gambino, Lucky Luciano and of course the greatest of them all Michael Corleone.

The worst Don is without a doubt that disgrace Salvatore Riina. The most disgraceful Don in Sicilian and American history. That greedy bastard is a disgrace because his main economy was heroin. That greedy bastard was a victim of his own arrogance.

[ December 30, 2001: Message edited by: Francis The Kid Forducci ]

What do you know Mr. Forducci............. you sound a little naive to me. First of all you tell us that Michael Corleone is one of the greatest Don's. Due all the respect but where are you living, in a movie??

Then the part about Don Riina:

Let me tell you this, without Don Salvatore there was no longer a Sicilian Mafia, because Giovanni Falcone would have won his battle against Cosa Nostra. Falcone wouldn't make a mistake like Bennito Mussolini did in the twenties and thirties of 1900.

Don Salvatore was absolutly NOT arrogant. He simply just liked the power, and if you act normal and with respect to him, he will treat you with respect aswell. But when you mess up with him then you are in big trouble.

The Heroin Bussiness:

Wake up Mr Forducci, what do you think that the core business of all the other families is about,... candy?? All the families are involved in this business, because it's a big business.

But yeah, what do you know. You believe whats written on that fucking Global Maffia site, thats fine with me. You're living in your BIG America, seeing the great out doors from you easy chair, with your good economics and major coorporations who needs protection. Thats fine with me also.

But don't tell me how we should handle things at Sicily, that's not fine with me.

[ December 31, 2001: Message edited by: Don_Michel ]

Hey, I'll tell you how to run things in Sicily. My mother is Sicilian and I've been to Palermo many times. First off, the Michael Corleone thing was a joke, alright. Second, easy with the cursing. Take it easy, alright. 3rd, the fact that a murderer like Salvatore Riina is your idol, shows a lot about you. 4th, Salvatore Riina is an evil, cold-blooded murderer. He ordered the murders of Giovanni Falcone and his WIFE!! A woman. That's how pathetic he is. I couldn't be happier that that bastard is in jail rotting. If one man deserves it, it's him.

And another thing, I don't want you to ever tell me about how to live in America. Especially by a man who hates America like you. Everyone should look at this:


At least I have respect for Sicily and America.

[ December 31, 2001: Message edited by: Francis The Kid Forducci ]

Was this needed?Knocking America?

I hate nobody, and i never said so, i only dislike your (the) American attitude, that's all.



So ?????? I live in Catania 24/7/365 and i've been to Palermo many times also. Is that the reason that you will (can) tell me how we should handle things in Sicily?? I'll guess not. A holiday is not the real live. After three weeks you went home to your own comfort zone.




What do you know about me ...... nothing. You don't know me. By the way Don Salvatore isn't my idol, Bill Gates is.



Absolutly true, but like i said before with out this action there would be no longer a Sicilian Mafia. That his wife got bombed either was just an accident and was not ordered.




And so was Albert Anastasia, Sammy Gravano, Lucky Luciano etc, etc, etc...

[ January 02, 2002: Message edited by: Don_Michel ]

The fact that the guy doesn't agree with a certain view-point of The American Administration doesn't mean that he doesn't respect/like them....I know of a lot of American Sinators, Governors, and Pezzonavanti who do disagree with a lot of the American Administration behaviour...Do they disrespect the country they are serving??? Does CNN disrespect/hate America when it shows negative things about the US???? I don't think so....It's those that see something bad about someone/some-entity and keep those things to themselves who don't want things to get better....Those are the disrespectful/hateful people/organizations....



Everyone who posted on this thread mentioned someone to be his/her candidate for "the Greatest Don"...That doesn't mean those were that poster's idols...It was their answers to some question...We all know that all those characters were murderers and mobsters as well....

I don't know much about this Riina guy, but the fact that he rose to the top of The Sicilian Mafia out of nothing, in The-Land-Filled-Mobsters, does qualify him to be a serious contender....

[ January 02, 2002: Message edited by: Sonny ]

Everytime I post, you're always against me. Always! Maybe you should get your facts straight you idiot. The reason I think he is his idol, is because he is related to him.


The Great Sonny is a moron. What an idiot!

Many people over here carry the name Riina, that does not mean they are related to Savatore Riina.

Riina is just a name, like Johnson in the USA. Are all the Johnson related to each other. I'll guess not.



I've this is what you call respect, i will not talk to you any longer.

[ January 02, 2002: Message edited by: Don_Michel ]

Sorry Mobbing, i didn't ment to knockdown America. What i was trying to say was that we don't have a good economy or major company's, so we have to make money a different way.

Drugs and weapons are some of them. Some people over here (on this message board) think that all the country's in the world have a good economy.

Palermo and Catania ain't good measurements for the Sicilian economy. Both are big city's with harbours and airports. These two city's are quit rich. The country site of Sicily is extremely poor. Some relatives of me are living over there, so i know where i'm talking about.

[ January 02, 2002: Message edited by: Don_Michel ]

No problem.

You know, I keep trying to forget why I called you "sick" once, but I never seem to get the chance to forget...Firstly, although you seemed to deservedly earn it, it is no "Holy mission" of mine to degrade/demean you...With all due respect, you are not that important, regardless of what your Mama tells you. Besides, you seem to be doing a good job in making yourself look that way...

I was simply posting my opinion on the matter at hand....The fact that you are so insecure and unstably disturbed thinking that it was directed only at your person and all my replys on this board are aimed to go "against you" is only adding credit to my point earlier about your psychological nature....

But let's go on with your point, just for the sake of arguing....There are members here who use the names of Gotti, Gambino, Guiliano, and maybe Capone...etc. Does your mind really convince you that they are related to those people???? If you didn't mean that but instead meant that since Michel lives in Sicily, so he's related to Riina, then, check out the police station in San Diego....I'm sure there are lots of criminals in San Diego...does that mean that you are related to one of them??? You do YOURSELF A BLOODY FAVOUR AND CHECK YOUR LOGIC...OR BETTER STILL, GET SOME PRO-HELP ON LOGIC...

Even if you/Michel is related to such a criminal, what the hell does it matter???? The guy answered a question....the fact that you don't agree is perfectly understandable....but getting so stupidly personal and childish over a disagreement in views once again adds to my hypothesis....

PS: I THINK THAT I CAN MAKE A VERY GOOD CASE AS TO WHO THE REAL IDIOT/MORON/STUPID/SICK IS...SO MAYBE YOU SHOULD TRY GETTING SMARTER AND MORE MATURE WHEN YOU TALK TO OTHERS, ESPECIALLY THOSE WHO CAN MAKE YOU LOOK LIKE A FOOL USING PURE LOGIC AND YOUR OWN WORDS....

PS (Moderators): Is that the peace you have mentioned???? Someone calls members stupid/idiot/moron and you want me to tolerate such a behaviour ???

[ January 02, 2002: Message edited by: Sonny ]

Sonny...why do you bother?
As I stated previously, none of us really needs to make a case or call a name, when it comes to a particular fellow-padrinophile. Let's sit back, relax over a banana dacquiri (How do you say that in Spanish?) and let some kids dig their own graves. However long it takes.
However I will agree that our moderators, much as I like them, have been outrageously tolerant of certain behavior. What can you do, I guess everyone has their breaking point...!!
Chill,

Apple