The mafia are men of honour the 'others' I think, have no honour or morals[/b][/quote]Very true. Plus the others as you put it just dont' care about anything, heck they don't even care about say a 20 year prison term. Cause where they came from, a 20 prison term is a piece of cake.

I miss the old Mafia. But never count them out.[/QB][/quote]Glad to see you understood where I was at Iceman, I dont condone gangs and drug runners etc etc,and certainly not any child molesters (where did that come from anyway Snake?)At one time, there was honour amongst thieves and a code of conduct that didnt include harm to 'civilians' now, my point is, there is no code of anything it's all a free for all