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What mafia book should I buy?
#194585
06/16/02 10:57 PM
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Re: What mafia book should I buy?
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06/17/02 12:28 AM
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I suppose it depends on what you're after, Big Shot Rob (e.g., a biography on one gangster, on a whole gang, or on a certain Mafia event like the St. Valentine's Day Massacre). I've been a gangster movie fan for a long time, but just recently got into books on gangsters. I wanted biographies of mob figures within a certain Family, so I bought Sammy Gravano's Underboss as well as Gotti: Rise and Fall. I'm not necessarily recommending these (although Gotti: Rise and Fall is pretty decent), but just showing you how I went about what I was looking for. I also wanted what you might call a "Mafia-for-dummies" book, so I bought The Mafia Encyclopedia by Carl Sifakis. It's an excellent quick reference book on Mafia figures, terminology, etc. and costs about $20. Anyway, happy reading, man! (And in case I haven't formally greeted you before, welcome aboard, dude!)
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Re: What mafia book should I buy?
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I would try the last testament of Lucky Luciano, Donnie Brasco, and WiseGuys
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Re: What mafia book should I buy?
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06/19/02 03:42 AM
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The Mafia - The First Hundred Years was pretty good, it doesn't really mention much about the more recent figures, but it's a good insight into the older members.
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Re: What mafia book should I buy?
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06/19/02 03:34 PM
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I'm surprised no one has yet mentioned Wiseguy by Nicholas Pileggi - the basis for Goodfellas. Like the film, it's a narrative of the everyday life of Henry Hill, a foot soldier.
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Re: What mafia book should I buy?
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06/24/02 01:32 PM
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Originally posted by DonsAdvisor: I'm surprised no one has yet mentioned Wiseguy by Nicholas Pileggi - the basis for Goodfellas. Like the film, it's a narrative of the everyday life of Henry Hill, a foot soldier. I guess I misread canaveral's post then... -Lucky
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Re: What mafia book should I buy?
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06/24/02 05:24 PM
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CRIME LAB Read EVERYBODY's Biography!!!! OR go to the Library and order.... Nicholas Pileggi's Casino: LOve And Honor In Las Vegas Nicholas Pilleggi's Wiseguy: Life In A Mafia Family Carl Sifakis' The Mafia Encyclopedia Joeseph O'Brien and Andris Kurin's Boss Of Bosses: The FBI and Paul Castellano Joe Bonanno's A Man Of Honor Robert Lacey's LIttle Man Bill Bonanno's Bound By Honor Peter Maas' The Valachi Papers
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Re: What mafia book should I buy?
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06/24/02 09:13 PM
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Originally posted by BigShotRobMC: Thanks a lot for the help...I actually bought Hoffa Wars and then I am buying Mafia Dynasty, I will get others later, I hope these are good though. :D Mafia Dynasty is an excellent book. I hope you enjoy it.
People can change! "A f****in jerk like me. Never had nothing in my life. That's not John Gotti. At least I hope that's not me. Maybe I see myself in a light that I'm not in, I don't know."-John Gotti about greed "We only kill each other."-Benjamin Siegel "There's no such thing as good money or bad money. There's only money."-Lucky LucianO R.I.P Mr. Gotti
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Re: What mafia book should I buy?
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07/01/02 03:26 PM
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Reference books :
"History of the Mafia -from the origins to nowadays" (title translation mine, I have it in French) by Salvatore Lupo
"Encyclopedia of Organized Crime in the US" by Robert J. Kelly
"Family Business" by Ianni
"Come heavy or not at all." Uncle Junior to Tony S. "Nenti dire ca nenti si capi" come disse quello. (Say nthg when U know nthg.) "Chi non ci vuole stare, se ne vada." (If U don't like it here, go somewhere else.)
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Re: What mafia book should I buy?
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07/08/02 06:33 PM
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The Last Mafioso by Jimmy 'The Weasel' Fratianno had a good deal of inside stuff that was pretty interesting.
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Re: What mafia book should I buy?
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07/08/02 11:33 PM
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what are some good book stores to buy these books in and does anybody know where online there may be some books available to read 4 free...im looking for something online thats intresting like Luca Brasi mentioned the story of the family who was hanging bodies upside down in the tub...i wanna find sumthing interesting like that to read..mob stories sumwhere online...anybody got any links? Thanks.
"Murders came with smiles, shooting people was no big deal for us Goodfellas..."
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Re: What mafia book should I buy?
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07/09/02 01:02 AM
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Originally posted by Turnbull: Try gangland.com and mafiamob.com--both have good writing on gangs. Thanks for the links but unfortuneatly MafiaMob.com costs $$$ and GangLand.com isnt a mob site but I think u meant GangLandNews.com. Thanks though.
"Murders came with smiles, shooting people was no big deal for us Goodfellas..."
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Re: What mafia book should I buy?
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07/09/02 01:20 PM
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Originally posted by Goodfella 69: what are some good book stores to buy these books in and does anybody know where online there may be some books available to read 4 free...im looking for something online thats intresting like Luca Brasi mentioned the story of the family who was hanging bodies upside down in the tub...i wanna find sumthing interesting like that to read..mob stories sumwhere online...anybody got any links? Thanks. Well I don't believe you can read them for free online. But the book I mentioned "Murder Machine" is avalible at any Barnes and Noble bookstore. That's were I got mine in the "True Crimes" section of the store. Or you can go to their website: http://www.bn.com type in title of book in the search engine and order it online. Trust me I highly suggest this book to everyone! You won't be able to put it down when you start reading it. Here's a reveiw: First-rate story of a Mafia murder crew so deadly that even John Gotti turned aside a contract on its leader. New York Daily News reporters Mustain and Capeci (coauthors, Mob Star, 1989—not reviewed) tell the fascinating and repellently detailed story of Roy DeMeo and the gang he raised from teenagers in Canarsie—a Brooklyn neighborhood where death by natural causes is "six bullets in the head," according to one cop. The middle-class DeMeo, a natural criminal, was carrying cash in brown paper bags and driving a Cadillac by his high- school senior year. After establishing loan-sharking headquarters at his Gemini Lounge in Brooklyn, he shipped scores of stolen luxury cars to Kuwait, distributed drugs (one of his crew was the chief supplier of cocaine at Studio 54), and wholesaled child pornography. When the inevitable business disputes arose, his crew simply made the other parties disappear. The victims were lured into a clubhouse behind the Gemini Lounge, where they were shot and dismembered ("it's just like takin' apart a deer"), then secured in Hefty Bags and tossed on the Canarsie dump. One murder led so easily to another that soon the "Gemini method" was used on anybody who got in the gang's way or annoyed them. DeMeo presented three of his coke-crazed crew with sets of custom carving knives, which they kept in their car trunks in case a quick assignment arose. When a special NYPD/FBI task force cracked the DeMeo gang, it tagged the criminals for 75 murders. DeMeo (who was rubbed out by fellow mobsters as the cops closed in) bragged of one hundred personally, making him far more destructive than any known US serial killer. Vivid, hair-raising, day-to-day-in-the-life-ofnarrative: the best mob book in recent memory. (Sixteen pages of b&w photographs—) Hope this helps Goodfella 69
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Re: What mafia book should I buy?
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07/09/02 02:01 PM
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Originally posted by Luca Brasi: [quote]Originally posted by Goodfella 69: [b]what are some good book stores to buy these books in and does anybody know where online there may be some books available to read 4 free...im looking for something online thats intresting like Luca Brasi mentioned the story of the family who was hanging bodies upside down in the tub...i wanna find sumthing interesting like that to read..mob stories sumwhere online...anybody got any links? Thanks. Well I don't believe you can read them for free online. But the book I mentioned "Murder Machine" is avalible at any Barnes and Noble bookstore. That's were I got mine in the "True Crimes" section of the store. Or you can go to their website: http://www.bn.com type in title of book in the search engine and order it online. Trust me I highly suggest this book to everyone! You won't be able to put it down when you start reading it. Here's a reveiw: First-rate story of a Mafia murder crew so deadly that even John Gotti turned aside a contract on its leader. New York Daily News reporters Mustain and Capeci (coauthors, Mob Star, 1989—not reviewed) tell the fascinating and repellently detailed story of Roy DeMeo and the gang he raised from teenagers in Canarsie—a Brooklyn neighborhood where death by natural causes is "six bullets in the head," according to one cop. The middle-class DeMeo, a natural criminal, was carrying cash in brown paper bags and driving a Cadillac by his high- school senior year. After establishing loan-sharking headquarters at his Gemini Lounge in Brooklyn, he shipped scores of stolen luxury cars to Kuwait, distributed drugs (one of his crew was the chief supplier of cocaine at Studio 54), and wholesaled child pornography. When the inevitable business disputes arose, his crew simply made the other parties disappear. The victims were lured into a clubhouse behind the Gemini Lounge, where they were shot and dismembered ("it's just like takin' apart a deer"), then secured in Hefty Bags and tossed on the Canarsie dump. One murder led so easily to another that soon the "Gemini method" was used on anybody who got in the gang's way or annoyed them. DeMeo presented three of his coke-crazed crew with sets of custom carving knives, which they kept in their car trunks in case a quick assignment arose. When a special NYPD/FBI task force cracked the DeMeo gang, it tagged the criminals for 75 murders. DeMeo (who was rubbed out by fellow mobsters as the cops closed in) bragged of one hundred personally, making him far more destructive than any known US serial killer. Vivid, hair-raising, day-to-day-in-the-life-ofnarrative: the best mob book in recent memory. (Sixteen pages of b&w photographs—) Hope this helps Goodfella 69 [/b][/quote]Thanks Luca! That was a great review...Ill make sure to pick that up once I get the $$$ and a ride to the local bookstore
"Murders came with smiles, shooting people was no big deal for us Goodfellas..."
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Re: What mafia book should I buy?
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07/09/02 06:09 PM
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Thanks Luca! That was a great review...Ill make sure to pick that up once I get the $$$ and a ride to the local bookstore [/QB][/QUOTE] Here's another reveiw- A modern-day ``Murder, Incorporated,'' the vicious Gambino crime family crew led by Roy DeMeo committed upward of 200 murders. Most victims were fellow criminals, but contrary to the supposed Mafia code, many were hapless civilians. So brutal and pathological were DeMeo's cohorts that even crime boss John Gotti reportedly feared them. The crew was convicted (DeMeo was murdered) in part by the testimony of Dominick Montiglio, a primary source for this book. Montiglio, a former Green Beret who became a mobster through the influence of his Mafia uncle, presents first-hand evidence of mob treachery and depravity. The authors , who wrote about Gotti in Mob Star (Franklin Watts, 1988) , tell a vivid, chilling tale that should dispel any remaining romantic myths about Mafia life. Highly recommended for crime collections. Mustain and Capeci, reporters for the New York Daily News , here present a feature expose of Roy DeMeo, leader of a pack of especially gruesome hit men known as the Murder Machine. DeMeo's crew was so ``scary,'' according to an FBI agent quoted here, that even then-Mafia don John Gotti was wary of them. By the FBI's estimate, the Murder Machine killed at least 200 people before it was dismantled during the 1980s in what proved to be the longest federal serial murder investigation in history. Mustain and Capeci's main informant about the case was Dominick Montiglio, nephew of a top aide in the Gambino family. DeMeo, in his turn, was killed by a volley of shots fired at close range; his body, stuffed into the trunk of his Cadillac, was found in Brooklyn in January 1983, a week after this devoted father failed to show up for his daughter's birthday party. No one was ever convicted of the murder. In a masterpiece of crime reporting, the authors re-create the DeMeo underworld in gripping detail. Pretty intense!!
"He who fights with monsters should look at it that he himself does not become a monster... when you gaze long into the abyss the abyss also gazes into you..."
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Re: What mafia book should I buy?
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07/09/02 07:12 PM
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You must read The Merger. The best book about the Mafia i've ever read.
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Re: What mafia book should I buy?
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Originally posted by Don_Michel: You [b]must read The Merger. The best book about the Mafia i've ever read.[/b] Never heard of that I'll check it out. Grazi
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Re: What mafia book should I buy?
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Originally posted by Luca Brasi: [quote]Originally posted by Don_Michel: [b]You [b]must read The Merger. The best book about the Mafia i've ever read.[/b] Never heard of that I'll check it out. Grazi[/b][/quote]Here a small review: When telecommunications companies merge, the news is immediately analyzed by the media and government agencies. Owners of the companies' stock immediately vote on the wisdom of the move by buying or selling. But when criminal organizations merge and make their operations global, it takes years for law enforcement to figure out what happened, who was involved, and what the implications are. Ever since Italian-American mobster Lucky Luciano linked Mafia families in Sicily and the U.S., crime cartels have been finding ways to expand their operations across national borders, making those countries' policemen play an extended game of catch-up. Jeffrey Robinson is an authority on international crime, especially money laundering, and his book The Merger sometimes reads like a crime novel. It seems strange to imagine that Mexican drug traffickers would be working closely with Thai postal workers; that a billion dollars a month in drug money would be laundered from Russian gangs through Greek Cypriots and then moved on to respectable financial centers such as London and New York; that Colombian drug cartels would get kerosene--an important ingredient for making cocaine--from Turkmenistan by way of Argentina; that Eastern European criminals would claim to be Jewish so they could get Israeli passports and launder money in the Holy Land. And that's just for-profit criminality--politically and religiously motivated crime has long been international and is rapidly branching out into cyberterrorism. Robinson concludes with a note that international drug trafficking is growing so fast it now represents 2 percent of the world's economy. However, while criminal organizations think globally, Robinson writes, most law enforcement is set up to act locally. Nations can't decide how to deal with the problem because none wants to be the first to sacrifice national sovereignty for the greater purpose of slowing crime. If this book doesn't keep you up at night, or at least raise some serious goose flesh, you're made of pretty stern stuff. If yiou think you like it then you can find more details over here: The Merger
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