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The Black Hand
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09/09/03 09:18 AM
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Do any of you know anything about The Black Hand? (I had an uncle involved...)
Lisa
It's in your soul that the true distortion lies...
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Re: The Black Hand
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09/09/03 12:02 PM
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"The Black Hand" was a generic name that was applied to all criminal gangs--big, small, even individual, and not just Italian--in America in the early years of the 20th century. The origin was that, in many urban ethnic neighborhoods, individuals and gangs extorted money from better-off residents by sending their demands in anoymous letters that ended with the imprint of a hand made in black ink, or a drawing of a black hand. These extorionists seldom were members of the Mafia or other large criminal organizations--they were individuals or small groups who invoked the dreaded "black hand" to terrorize victims into thinking that they were larger, more powerful and better-connected than they really were. Don Fanucci in GFII is a perfect example: he's really a small-time individual operator who shakes down local merchants (like Genco's father) by invoking "La Mano Nera." But, as we saw, Fanucci wasn't so "powerful"--two kids nearly killed him, and at least two neighborhood operators didn't pay him off. What's more, young Vito killed him without the police or anyone in the Mob coming after him, and simply took over Fanucci's position as a "man of respect" in the neighborhood.
Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu, E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu... E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
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Re: The Black Hand
#198090
09/09/03 12:52 PM
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Wow - very interesting...thanks
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Re: The Black Hand
#198094
09/10/03 09:39 AM
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Originally posted by Turi Giuliano: Whilst that site is a great source it is much easier on the eyes reading from a book. You said it, Turi! For one-stop shopping, try John Davis' "Mafia Kingfish," which covers Marcello and his predecessors.
Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu, E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu... E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
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Re: The Black Hand
#198095
09/10/03 04:16 PM
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Originally posted by Turnbull: Frankie Yale arranged for Al Capone to leave Brooklyn for Chicago around 1919 one step ahead of some Irish "white handers" who were after his blood in retaliation for a beating or killing he put on one of their members. Nice of Capone to take this into consideration when he ordered Mr. Ioele's whacking, eh!? :rolleyes: Mick
...dot com bold typeface rhetoric. You go clickety click and get your head split. 'The hell you look like on a message board Discussing whether or not the Brother is hardcore?
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Re: The Black Hand
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09/10/03 08:25 PM
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Just shows you that there's no honor among thieves, Mick. Francesco Uole (aka Frankie Yale) was Capone's mentor and "godfather in crime" (though Capone never was in the Mafia as we know it). Lawrence Bergreen, Capone's most recent biographer, claims that Yale was the one who whacked Torrio's uncle, Big Jim Colosimo, and later was in charge of whacking Dion O'Banion, the North Side gang leader who double-crossed Johnny Torrio. Yale ahnd Capone became partners in booze, with Yale running a trucking pipeline that brought bootleg booze from Brooklyn to Chicago. But when Yale crossed Capone by diverting his shipments and claiming that they were "hijacked," no history or gratitude applied--he got the tommygun from his former protege.
Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu, E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu... E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
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Re: The Black Hand
#198097
09/11/03 05:19 AM
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Turnbull, when you say Tommy Gun, wasn't that one of the first assassinations to be done using the new machine gun, which had recently been invented? I could be wrong on that one, though.
Oh, and Turnbull, do you know ANY sites where I oculd find more information about Willie "Two Knife" Altierri, the guy resonsible for killing sleeping Wild Bill Lovett with a meat cleaver? I'd love to read more on him, but unfortunately can't find anything.
Mick
...dot com bold typeface rhetoric. You go clickety click and get your head split. 'The hell you look like on a message board Discussing whether or not the Brother is hardcore?
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Re: The Black Hand
#198098
09/11/03 11:55 AM
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Yale's might have been one of the first assassinations via Tommygun, but they had been used in Chicago prior to Yale's demise. Since Thompson submachine guns fired the same .45 ACP rounds as the common Colt Model 1911 pistol, police investigators collecting evidence couldn't always tell which weapon was used unless they had witnesses. And Thompsons were relatively new and unfamiliar to most people at the time. They were designed to be "trench brooms" in WWI, but the armistice was declared before any were shipped overseas. The US War Department and law enforcement agencies weren't interested in them, so relatively few of them were in circulation. You can find something about Lovett and Yale at this site: http://members.fortunecity.com/moran9/id35.htm The writing is piss-poor, but he does have a few facts (mostly gleaned from Bergreen's Capone biography).
Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu, E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu... E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
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Re: The Black Hand
#198101
09/12/03 08:06 PM
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I know a bit about the Ye Olde Aussie Black Hand.
"What, you don't like women? Yoy pefer the company of men more?"-Tommy Vercetti-Ray Liotta
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Re: The Black Hand
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09/13/03 12:08 PM
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All I knew of La Mano Nera other than what has already been mentioned was that they were the gangs after the 5 point gangs and before the 5 Families started up.
"A parola d'onuri vale sangue"
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