I should not give straight answers if I am defending them somehow.

1-Nobody is totally good or bad people, sometimes the people had no choice and try to survive the best way that they could, they could find themself in a to crush or be crushed situation, so, some people prefer to crush instead of being crushed by someone else, if they don`t do it, someone else will do it in their place. So, there not solution for that.

2-They are criminal ACCORDING TO THE LAW. And what is the law?

The law is-how should I put it?A convenience.Or a convenience for some people,and an inconvenience for other people.Like, take the law that says you can't go into someone else's house...I have a house,so, hey, I like that law.The guy without a house-what's he think of it?Stay out in the rain,schnook.That's what the law means to him..."-Paul Castellano

Should I be a lawyer?

Does it answer your question?

You have no idea, Jim Morrison did some things really bad besides his music, but as you have already said, this is not the right, topic. I don`t consider Gotti or The Chin as good examples, but Morrison doesn`t deserve respcet at all, and I know why. At least not more than the people we are talking about.[/b][/quote]PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE enlighten me about Jim Morrison. What were the bad things he did? And how are they worse then killing people and extorting buisnesses? What?

You have no idea, Jim Morrison did some things really bad besides his music, but as you have already said, this is not the right, topic. I don`t consider Gotti or The Chin as good examples, but Morrison doesn`t deserve respcet at all, and I know why. At least not more than the people we are talking about.[/b][/quote]PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE enlighten me about Jim Morrison. What were the bad things he did? And how are they worse then killing people and extorting buisnesses? What? [/b][/quote]Ok, do you want to talk about it? Let`s put this conversation in the right topic, let`s go to the music forum, and I will tell you what he did. By the way, what I wanted to say at the beggining talking about "idolizing" some people, was that I don`t think Jim Morrison should be idolized, and somehow he is, and I respect it. For example, look at Axl Rose, I like Guns n` Roses, but he used to(it reminds me to the song "Used to love her" haha)wear a Charles Mason T-shirt. What do you have to say about it? Is Mason a better example than John Gotti to idolize? What I mean is, I don`t care who idolizes to whoever he/she is.

People idolize them because they LIKE their music, you idolize Gangsters, and these are people that KILL and STEAL for a living. How do you respect that?

Sure! Of Course! I wanna be a corrupt president in a corrupt goverment and I won`t care about the people who chose me and I will worry about my own pocket!

Not always, some people idolize them because the Rock Stars make some kind of apology about drugs and commiting suicide, how could the people idolize those people despite their music? How can Axl Rose idolize Charles Mason?

Sure! Of Course! I wanna be a corrupt president in a corrupt goverment and I won`t care about the people who chose me and I will worry about my own pocket! [/b][/quote]In that you don't know how to give a straight answer to anyone.

Anyway, it's quite sad that you idolize murderers and theives. Quite misinformed aswell.

In that you don't know how to give a straight answer to anyone.

Anyway, it's quite sad that you idolize murderers and theives. Quite misinformed aswell. [/QB][/quote]I was joking man! But anyway, if I became a president(I don`t think so!)I will look foward about doing some business with you! hahaha

You have misunderstood my point many times, I like the strategy, which doesn`t mean neccesary I like everything they do, I think I told you once that I don`t idolize them. Why don`t you read above?

The strategy is to kill and steal if you can get a profit off of it.

You still haven't told me the bad things Jim Morrison did.

Don Pappo, you really have a pessimistic view on law, society, and politics. Maybe that is caused by the country you live in, I don't know.

But anyway, maffiosi are sometimes in a position of 'crush or being crushed'. But most of the times they're not.
Read this story of DC. What he tells is very common in the world of maffiosi, and is this 'crush or being crushed'??

You said it like becoming a member of the maffia is the only possibility some poor people have. Bullshit. Either find a job, or get social security.
Or at least, become a normal criminal :rolleyes: , not a maffioso.

Don Pappo,


I think that I understand what you are tryingto say. Perhaps it is in your translation that your message gets a bit confusing.

While I appreciate that you are trying to say that not everyone is "clean," I cannot agree with your comparison of a rock star and a mafioso.

While you obviously, like many of us on here, are interested in the mafia, it's history and the way that it operates, at times you seem to hold these guys up to some high standard. And that is where perhaps we are misunderstanding you and are in disagreement.

I only hope that we are misunderstanding what you are trying to say and that in truth, you do NOT idolize these people, want to be like them, or hold them up to a high standard.


Don Cardi

Think whatever you want, but strategy doesn`t mean only to kill, it means many things.

About Morrison, I told you, we have to discuss it in another topic!!!

We never agree in anything Don Andrew and you always tell me what I have to do or not to do, do you get paid to change the people`s mind?
I don`t want to be mean with you Don Andrew but, I didn`t know you were my mother!!

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Enzo Scifo:
[QB]
Read this story of DC. What he tells is very common in the world of maffiosi, and is this 'crush or being crushed'??

Yes, it doesn`t mean I agree with it, but I tell you if they don`t do it, someone else will do it.

Can we stop this valueless conversation? We are in this post to talk about The Chin, not about what we think about the life.

I don`t idolize them, but if I do, so what? I don`t say the people "Hey, idolize The Chin!".

In case I idolize John Gotti or whoever he is, you should know there are people who idolize worse people, for Example, Axl Rose-Charles Mason, neo-nazis-Hitler.

Can we stop this discussion? We are not going anywhere and I still think we are wasting our time, this is not the right topic and post to talk about this, we are here to talk about The Chin, and nobody here will change his mind.

Yes, we should stop this discussion. I just can't reason with you, you never give straight answers, you always avoid the question, and you bring up total irrelevant things.
No hard feelings towards you, but you say every opinion is valuable and that everyone can have his own opinion, and I agree with that.
But some opinions are just plain wrong. Like thinking maffiosi aren't greedy bad people.

Anyway, this discussion is closed for me. If you want to continue (which you said you don't, but maybe you will change your mind) then open a new thread for it, and maybe I'll be there.

Oh! Yes! Of Course! Sure! Tell Nicola Sacco and Bartolomeo Vanzetti that! They would agree 100% with you I have a pessimistic view!

I didn`t know we were in gangsterbb to "reason" with the people and try to change their minds! What is irrelevant is to tell me what I have to think about this, about that instead of talking about the death of the Chin.
I don`t have to give you straight answers and avoid to avoid the questions. If you think some opinions are just wrong, Come on! What is right or wrong in this life and world?What is wrong to me is that you and some people seem to attempt to change my mind at any cost, THAT IS WRONG. If it`s right to think what the most of the people think, if it`s right to be a copy of the majority`s masses(Like Siegmund Freud said) then I am proud to be wrong.
It`s closed, if you wanna go ahead write a post saying "Idolizing".
It`s not personal, but I can`t reason with you either. To tell you the truth, I never tried to do it. I say the people should think what they want to think.