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Re: Replies:GF4
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02/11/02 06:41 PM
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Post 1980:
My script (so far) takes place solely after Mary's death. We of course start with a huge Corleone family party, but something is amiss. I have some ideas, so definite plot devices. I'm trying to stay away from delving too far back into the family history.
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Re: Replies:GF4
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02/12/02 09:37 AM
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Originally posted by Turi Giuliano: [QBNew enemies could easily be the law, Chinese clans, Russian, Japanese, Asian....The list can go on.[/QB] Good idea!! In GF3, Vincent refers to this: after Zasa's out, these are gonna take over his business. Let's assume they did. Nice plot, a 'reconquista' by Vincent Corleone.
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Re: Replies:GF4
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02/12/02 10:20 AM
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Originally posted by Ricardo: But then it's not a Mafia Family movie, It's just another secret agent, euroasian drug smuggling movie. Like Jackie Chan movies,they're basically all the same. Use your imagination What's got a war between the Italian Mafia and the Colombian Mafia to do with Jacky Chan and a secret agent? I don't see why that's the only logic conclusion?
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Re: Replies:GF4
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02/13/02 09:38 PM
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I like the Colombians, and the chinese Mafia, for Vincent.
Also, I was glancing through the Sicilian in the store today, and realized that Michael, and Clemenza are in it, and there are other Andolinies, and giulianos, and maybe later I fi buty the book, I might add some pre-1950 things in.
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Re: Replies:GF4
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02/14/02 04:25 AM
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Ricardo,
I'm going to try (from now on) not to be so critical. This is your baby, you call the shots. We can all appreciate the fact that you are actively soliciting feedback and criticism, so 'big ups' to you for that. So instead of attack mode, I will switch to idea mode. Here are two things you may want to think about and use for your Vincent angle...
A: There has to be an opening party of some magnitude. Vincent getting married, perhaps? Or, depending on when you start the Vincent story (say, 1990 or so) Vincent may already be married and we may have a first communion for his child.
B: Vincent takes control of the old Corleone Family Compound. This brings everything full circle. Terrific opportunities for strong emotional moments (Michael, Connie) perhaps returning to visit Vincent. I can definitely see this.
Let me know if you'd like any help with the Vincent story. I think I may have what you are looking for.
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Re: Replies:GF4
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02/14/02 02:26 PM
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Originally posted by Contento Tu: A: There has to be an opening party of some magnitude. Vincent getting married, perhaps? That's an excellent idea, some party. Is good to start with, to outline some people,... But one good advice, don't let it be Vincent's wedding. I saw once in a Godfather movie marathon the 3 GF after each other. I guess it would be weird if the GF4 would be in it too, the last image of GF3 is Mary dieing, the first of GF4 Vincent getting married, would be a too big contrast.
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Re: Replies:GF4
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02/14/02 06:19 PM
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I saw once in a Godfather movie marathon the 3 GF after each other. I guess it would be weird if the GF4 would be in it too, the last image of GF3 is Mary dieing, the first of GF4 Vincent getting married, would be a too big contrast.[/QB][/QUOTE]
I've never seen all 3 in a row, but going from Carlo's death to Antonio's funeral to Anthony's communion was ok.
Going from Ellis Isalnd to communion was AWESOme, Youngest Vito's song, into 50's band music.
I assume going from Pentangelli's bathtub, to church 20 years later, would be unrealistic, tho.
Going from Vito's birth, to the Sicilian vacation in 1925, to Vincent's birth in 1947, to Clemenza's death in 1957, to vincent and Mike in 1960, to Mary's funeral might me be ok? The party WON'T be the funeral. I don't there will be a funeral for mary.
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Re: Replies:GF4
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02/16/02 04:41 PM
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Ok, guys and gals, what do you think.
In the 1960's, Michael and Castro become friends. Boston don orders hit on Castro. Michael is driving with Castro and gets fired at. They both survive. Its disguised as a Castro hit. But Mike doesn't believe it. he finds out Chicago, Boston, and Barzini Junior are involved. Two meetings of La Cosa Nostra. JFK is murdered, by NO Don. FBI finds out Mike and other dons met with NO Don 1 month before hit. They all go on trial. Michael killes the other Dons, eliminates witnesses, goes free. Mike murders the Boston Don and friends. Mike becomes Capo de Tutti Capi. Cicci, Rosatos, and others get knocked off. New 5 families. Hagen starts a lawfirm.
70's and 80's- I'm not there yet.
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Re: Replies:GF4
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02/16/02 04:47 PM
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I assume going from Pentangelli's bathtub, to church 20 years later, would be unrealistic, tho.
Going from Vito's birth, to the Sicilian vacation in 1925, to Vincent's birth in 1947, to Clemenza's death in 1957, to vincent and Mike in 1960, to Mary's funeral might me be ok? The party WON'T be the funeral. I don't there will be a funeral for mary.[/QB][/QUOTE]
In the trilogy,Saga or whatever, Is there ANYTHING between the fredo, Roth, pentangelli hits, and the church ceremony in 1970? Other than than the normal endings and beginnings. Mike sits in chair at end of Gf2, and Mike reads letter to Mary, and Anthony beginning of GF3.
It's gotta be HILARIOUS going from Pentangelli's bloody bathtub, to OLD Mike getting honored at church 20 years later!
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Re: Replies:GF4
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02/16/02 07:41 PM
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Originally posted by Turi Giuliano:
Excellent view and excellently written. You should become a screenplay writer or director one day. Pity it was very short. So what was the phone call about.....you've already got me gripped. Or haven't you figured that out yet?[/QB] Cheers Turi, very encouraging as thats my main goal in life to become a film director/script writer... Anyway, this was an ending I suddenly thought up after writing my outline for college on a GF4. The basic storyline was cut between (like GF2) modern day Vincent and old school Sonny, Vito etc... Anyroad, the Vincent storyline goes something like Vincent has acheived total legitimacey etc etc, but is offered a way back into narcotics and organised crime. This big time guy (not quite sure who) tells Vincent to ring him with his answer. "I want your answrer by noon tomorrow" sort of speak.... A bit cheesy I know, but I've got this scene so visually played out in my mind I just had to write it... So, Vincent ain't quite sure what to do... Should he drag his Family back into the world Mike tried to escape for so long? Anyway one day after watching Casino the night before, I simply felt that this was just such a perfect ending for a GF4, as the viewer will never know which way Vincent is going to go. People would think that if Vincent said 'no', then that eould be the final end to everything. But if he says 'yes', then whole cycle will start again... A 'quiet, moving and thoughtful cliff hanger'... Anyway, as Mario Puzo once said "I just sat down writing it"... I might go back and finish the rest of the script for the modern day story, as I absolutely hate adapting other people work, as you are always limited to your creativity... It's like, if I ever become a film director, I really wouldn't like to make a film based on a screenplay that wasn't mine, I just wouldn't know where to begin... noledge
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Re: Replies:GF4
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02/17/02 12:16 AM
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Originally posted by Don Noledge: Anyroad, the Vincent storyline goes something like Vincent has acheived total legitimacey etc etc, but is offered a way back into narcotics and organised crime. This big time guy (not quite sure who) tells Vincent to ring him with his answer. "I want your answrer by noon tomorrow" sort of speak.... A bit cheesy I know, but I've got this scene so visually played out in my mind I just had to write it... So, Vincent ain't quite sure what to do... Should he drag his Family back into the world Mike tried to escape for so long? Anyway one day after watching Casino the night before, I simply felt that this was just such a perfect ending for a GF4, as the viewer will never know which way Vincent is going to go. People would think that if Vincent said 'no', then that eould be the final end to everything. But if he says 'yes', then whole cycle will start again... A 'quiet, moving and thoughtful cliff hanger'... Anyway, as Mario Puzo once said "I just sat down writing it"... I might go back and finish the rest of the script for the modern day story, as I absolutely hate adapting other people work, as you are always limited to your creativity... It's like, if I ever become a film director, I really wouldn't like to make a film based on a screenplay that wasn't mine, I just wouldn't know where to begin... noledge[/QB] Sounds great. Picture this Vincent Mancini slept with Grace Hamilton. Dominic Abbandando made a reference to her going "staying upstairs:. It made me think that Dom and Grace were "involved." After Mary dies, Grace has a son. Everybody thinks it's Dom's son. But Grace tells Vincent it's HIS son. It's Dom's only son, and the only survivor of the Abbandando clan. Dom finds out it's Vincent's son, and goes to Mike for revenge. Mike doesn't want to get involved, DOm and Vin get ina scuffle. Vincent has Dom killed. Since Grace's son ISN'T DOm's the great, long, historic Abbandando name is extinct. Mike is angry with Vincent. Mike just killed his brother, he didn't wipe out the WHOLE FAMILY. He orders Neri to hit, Vin. Neri doesn't, Neri is a traitor. Mike tells them both to go "f___ themselves" and leaves Crime for good, and lives in Sicily with Anthony. Vin orders a hit on Mike, but kills Anthony. Mike's bodyguard (maybe Calo) kills Neri and Vin. Mike lives rest of life in Sicily, all alone!
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Re: Replies:GF4
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02/17/02 12:20 AM
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Oh yeah, then he dies.  or alternate ending. Michael falls out of chair and is picked up by martians. They clone him, and regenerate Mary and Anthony, and make Mike 40 years younger. They regenerate Vito, Sonny, Fredo, Connie, Carmella, and all the kids. Then GF starts all over again with new actors. EXCEPT it is a Clemenza, Tessio, Hagen, Fontane, Neri, Genco, Brasi, Carlo, Pentangelli, Roth, Altobello, Luchesi, Zasa, Five Families-less Godfather.  Just f___ing around.
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