I guess what kind of bothers me as the term indicating that Italians are "Whiners". Although with this small group it may be true.

I think of my grandparents and ancestors who did come to American and made an honest living, without help from the government, that is so readily available today. Not to mention the language barrier they had then, and the did NOT complain or whine, made a good honest living, lived by the laws and got help from no one. I don't look at Italians as a "whole" as whiners at all. When I see all the whinning and complaining today by other people it pisses me off.

Thanks for letting me have my say.

TIS

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