You bet. But keep it down, Fun isn't allowed in the game. You will get Pee upset.

Some of my best times were down in the basement.
(wipes a tear from his eye)

If only you could get on top of LDV, now you would be talking FUN! and another mile marker that you will always remember at your age.

Bethie, haven't you been teaching this kid anything down in the basement? Take the rookie under your....WING, yes that is right wing.

OH, and Another Happy Birthday wish to you, You can never have to many. After all it only comes once a year.

Hey Bethie, I just noticed that there is Woody today for your Birthday! Now isn't that something special. Are you going to have Woody pitch for/to you?

Wednesday

DB...932...Ariz
PL...867...Cleve
JG...841...Mets
FS...773...Balt
BD...765...Cleve
SC...710...Mets
LD...701...Oak
IM...674...Oak
MC...579...Cleve

That's ok fathersson, I'm not worried about plaw, he's not my daddy! This is a fantasy league right? What, are we not supposed to have fun? Are we communist or what?? :p

Obviously, ERA has the most predictive value with respect to a league member's number of pitching points. Since everyone starts each day with a positive pitching total 27, it's earned runs allowed that have the biggest impact. An extra point, plus or minus, for a strikeout, hit walk, etc. doesn't mean a heck of a lot in the long run.

But wins are the second most important pitching stat though, since it's an all or nothing 5 points. It's like almost two extra earned runs your PS did or did not allow, which I think you'd agree is extremely significant.

To say that "A Win is only worth 5 pts. Can't worry yourself about that, only." is plain silly. Earned runs allowed and Wins are the two most important pitching ststs in the game.

As far as the stats "normalizing" themselves, I agree.

I'd guess that at season's end, the guy with the best W-L Record also has the best ERA and the most pitching points, and is the winner.

And that the guy with the second best W-L also has the second best ERA and the second most pitching points, and finishes second.

It may not follow exactly right down the line, but I bet it's real, real close, just as it was last year. Hell, it's close already.

Last week's wild fluctuations between W-L and ERA were due strictly to games when a PS got badly beat up on, as such fluctuations usually are.

Copied five of your players and took your pitching staff??? In the immortal words of Arnold Jackson, "Whatchoo talkin' 'bout Willis??"

:D Thank you Crabby! Your boys did great for me last night!

Don't worry about it IM... You'll soon find out that FS has no idea what he's talking about 90% of the time! :p

Sorry, I should have typed BD.

Don't worry about it IM... You'll soon find out that FS has no idea what he's talking about 90% of the time! :p [/b][/quote]I guess playing around with all those young girls have made my head go soft. But what a way to go!

Sometimes, you just make it way too easy, FS. :rolleyes:

I'll leave this one to Buffy or Crabby! They like to pick on low hanging fruit! :p

OH shit, I just caught that too...

Oh well, when the work is done and done well, even the little head gets to relax. Good thing he show up to work when needed and ready to work at that.

Sometimes, you just make it way too easy, FS. :rolleyes:

I'll leave this one to Buffy or Crabby! They like to pick on low hanging fruit! :p [/b][/quote]Yup, playing with girls usually does make it go soft. I have a Woody today for my birthday, so no worries. But I'm like the Statue of Liberty: "Bring me your tired, poor and huddled masses".

And here I am waiting for DB's comments on my analysis of JG's comments about the pitching stats, and this is what I get :rolleyes:

Bethie I'll excuse 'cause it's her birthday, but the rest of you should be ashamed of yourselves. :p

Yes, Bethie, That is your Birthday Woody !

as far as the statue thing...sounds like you are looking for all the street people in New York.

Bethie, No wonder the basement apartment looks the way it does!

Hold your horses, plaw... I was getting to it...

I agree more with you plaw... ERA and win/loss, in that order, are the most important stats in this game when it comes to pitching. The trouble with analyzing last week, as JG did, is that we all, save BD, did poorly. Lots of wild high scoring wins and even more significantly, some of us had negative scores to skew our points. Negative scores are outliers for all of us and will tend to skew any analysis.

They have pills for that.

Well, we all know that Pitching can give you the most points in any one section of this game. But it comes with the chance of also giving you negative points. True not very often, but there still is a chance. A guy goes 0-4 or doesn't play doesn'thelp you that night, but he doesn't hurt you either. Now if a guy did go 0-4 and they took some points away then that would take it to a whole new level.

Those pitching points really come into play during those double headers. Now the swing can be big. Some players don't play both games, but the PS does.

They have pills for that. [/b][/quote]By the way does your insurance cover that for you?

Don't know. Haven't needed the pills yet.

Keep your HEAD up. They say that there is someone for everyone out there.

The occasional negative total you get from pitching (which makes pitching even more important) notwithstanding, the bottom line is that over the course of the season you can expect to get about 30% of your total points from pitching, so pitching is by far the most important facet of the game since the amount of salary cap value you spend is dis-proportionately low for the number of points you get.

As far as a guy not playing or going 0-4 not hurting you, I would disagree.

I think DB can explain this better than I can, since he probably knows the correct terminoly, but I'll give it a quick shot:

I'd guess that, on average, you can expect to get about 25-30 points a night from offense. A great nght would be about 60. An unbelievable night would be about 80. A horrible night is about 10. It's kinda like the +27 you start with every day in pitching, and then add and subtract from there.

So your expected value, per player, is about +2.5 or +3. When a guy gets zero, in effect, he has hurt you in a negative way because you got no points.

Think of it this way: The realistic potential spread in offensive points for a day is anywhere from 0 to 80, with an expectancy of about 25 or 30. So the guy that goes 0-4, in effect, got you a -4 for the night.

Same thing in pitching, except the fluctuation goes from maybe +40 to -40.

I'm not getting my point across, I know. DB?

I understand what you are saying about a player still hurting you if he goes 0-4 say. I guess what I should have said is that a player can only add to your total, but pitching can make your total backslide and take away positive numbers already put up by another hot player.

You may miss your chance to get score from a player, but he is not going to put you in a hole like pitching can.

I feel that if you can get 20 points from ps and another 3points Avg. per player then you have done all right for that night. Hell, if you can avg. 40-50 points per night you would be doing fine.

Seems a lot harder to do each night then people think. Look how the Astro's let me down last night. I feel like I had a good team last night. Got great dollar value in every position. Sure I would admit that I could do more research on the day to day players habits and such, who catches for who and who plays when others aren't but you know I like time for other things in life.

You made sense to me, plaw.

If the expected value of an offensive player is 2.5 points and he goes 0-4 or doesn't play, you just lost 2.5 points that another position has to make up. It hurts you a little bit.

The issue we run into (and what I think FS is trying to say) is that, relatively speaking, an offensive player doing badly won't hurt you as much as your PS doing badly. We all know that, and we all know that it's really an unfair comparison. We all would rather have a player go 0-4 than have our pitching staffs get shellacked.

Isn't this more fun than talking about woodies, and "pills for that", and spanking, and masturbation, and such? :p

Intelligent discourse among educated men.

Is that you or your Paxill speaking?

Ok, I was just joking.

Tell me. Do you think that the player values go up a lot more then they come down. It seems like they raise at the drop of a hat, but don't come down when a guy doesn't do as well, as quickly.

or they stay the same without dropping as much as they should.