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Re: Baseball Challenge 2004 #239514
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PL 3139  Atl   16   91  3230    Minn  Santana   17-6 2.85 
DB 3107  Atl   16   74  3181    Bost  Martinez  16-5 3.44
JG 2896  Atl   16   75  2971    Fla   Valdez    12-8 5.17
CC 2863  Atl   16   75  2938    Minn
CB 2588  NYM  -04   19  2607    Mets  Benson    11-11 4.52 
FS 2520  Atl   16   78  2598    Fla 
SC 2487  Atl   16   98  2585    Fla
MC 2253  NYY  -51  -20  2233    NYY   Mussina   10-9 5.03


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Re: Baseball Challenge 2004 #239515
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As Phil Rizzuto would say, "HOLY COW!" -51, that's incredible. (Come Yanks, I'm countin' on ya's to get me through this stoopda focking fantasy game.) Hey, any Double Headers comin' up?


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Re: Baseball Challenge 2004 #239516
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Quote:
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Hey, any Double Headers comin' up?
Yup, probably.


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Re: Baseball Challenge 2004 #239517
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Quote:
Originally posted by MaryCas:
As Phil Rizzuto would say, "HOLY COW!" -51, that's incredible.
Yanks have had a few pretty incredible pitching scores the last two weeks....

9/13 Lose 17-8, PS -51
9/10 Lose 14-8, PS -27
8/31 Lose 22-0, PS -64


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Re: Baseball Challenge 2004 #239518
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What the hell happened at The Texas Rangers game last night? Chairs being thrown, fans threatening to sue? You know your team sucks when the most hits in the game are against the fans.

That's crazy stuff taking on a whole staduim full of people. Unless of course you're in Montreal where the team out numbers the fans.


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Re: Baseball Challenge 2004 #239519
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Quote:
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Looks like JG, FS, and SC didn't get the memo... :p
Stoopida fockin' ESPN :rolleyes:



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Re: Baseball Challenge 2004 #239520
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You have to wonder when they changed that.

Pee, what time was this big change?

Look at it this way Geoff, you will not have to change your team for tomorrow!


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Re: Baseball Challenge 2004 #239521
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Just more proof that Vinny is wonderful.

Woo hoo! *shakes pom poms.

PHOENIX (AP) -- Vinny Castilla reached two career milestones with one big swing of the bat.

The 37-year-old third baseman hit two of Colorado's five home runs in the Rockies' 9-2 hammering of the Arizona Diamondbacks on Monday night.

Castilla's second one -- off reliever Scott Service -- drove in two runs to give him 300 career homers and 1,000 RBIs.

``It's Vinny's night to shine,'' Colorado manager Clint Hurdle said. ``We throw that term `great' around pretty loosely in sports, but when you start putting up numbers like that there's some substance to it.''

Castilla, who also made a pair of smooth plays on defense, quietly is having a standout season after being signed as a free agent by the Rockies.

He has 32 home runs, and his 119 RBIs are just two behind NL leader Scott Rolen.

"It means a lot," Castilla said. "Any time you can hit more than 30 home runs and drive in more than 100, it's a great season. I'm feeling great physically. I don't think I've lost anything defensively or offensively."

Castilla is the 104th player to reach 300 home runs for his career. Earlier this year, he passed Jorge Orta for the most hits by a Mexican-born player.

``I've tried never to take my job for granted. I try to work hard every day, day in and day out,'' Castilla said. ``I have 13 years in the big leagues. To stay here, you have to be very consistent.''

Luis Gonzalez hit a three-run homer off Arizona starter Casey Fossum, then Castilla, Jeromy Burnitz and Brad Hawpe had solo shots off reliever Lance Cormier.

Castilla's second home run of the night -- and 32nd of the season -- drove in two runs off Scott Service.

It was Castilla's fourth multihomer game of the season and 32nd of his career.


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Re: Baseball Challenge 2004 #239522
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Quote:
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You have to wonder when they changed that.

Pee, what time was this big change?
I believe it was some tome in the early evening, around 6:00 or so, altho I didn't find out about it until later.

I usually do my team for the next day around 8 or 9 PM, to make sure that no games on the East Coast or in the Midwest are encountering weather problems.

I didn't find out from ESPN, though. They still had a DH listed as late as this morning I believe. But I do have some other sources, of course. As, obviously, does everyone else who knew there would be no DH today.


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Re: Baseball Challenge 2004 #239523
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Sure, like most of us we saw it on the game board and it was also in our newspaper here last night. I hit my team real late as it was the first night of bowling this week. Like I said last week, this kind of stuff takes all the fun out of the game. At least I hit the pins well last night.


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Re: Baseball Challenge 2004 #239524
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There was supposed to be a doubleheader today???

Re: Baseball Challenge 2004 #239525
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Yeah, right :rolleyes:

Whaddya think we are, stoopid. You're in Chicago


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Re: Baseball Challenge 2004 #239526
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Quote:
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Like I said last week, this kind of stuff takes all the fun out of the game.
Noooo....this kind of stuff makes the game more fun.

It's what separates the men from the boys. :p


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Re: Baseball Challenge 2004 #239527
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Well this boy was too exhausted to double-check. :p



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Re: Baseball Challenge 2004 #239528
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Believe it or not, ESPN is still showing a DH today on their Scoreboard


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Re: Baseball Challenge 2004 #239529
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Guess what, they are going to play a DH today!



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Re: Baseball Challenge 2004 #239530
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Quote:
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Guess what, they are going to play a DH today!

So it seems the only person this really screws is me. :rolleyes:


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Re: Baseball Challenge 2004 #239531
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Well, it looks like it doesn't matter if there will be one game or two (they are only playing one game, by the way), you guys are getting two games worth of offense in one game.

Re: Baseball Challenge 2004 #239532
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Yeah, but the pitching number doesn't look like it's gonna be a DH's worth.


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Re: Baseball Challenge 2004 #239533
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Quote:
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Yeah, but the pitching number doesn't look like it's gonna be a DH's worth.
ZERO isn't a DH's worth of PS? :rolleyes:



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Re: Baseball Challenge 2004 #239534
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Tuesday (Unofficial)
Code:
PL  3230  Minn (26) 45  3275 
DB  3181  Bost (07) 51  3232  
JG  2971  Fla  (00) 39  3010
CC  2938  Minn (26) 47  2985
CB  2607  Mets (35) 46  2653
FS  2598  Fla  (00) 35  2633
SC  2585  Fla  (00) 37  2622
MC  2233  NYY  (41) 56  2274  


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Re: Baseball Challenge 2004 #239535
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How come MC isn't listed on the Arvisa scoreboard?


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Re: Baseball Challenge 2004 #239536
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I noticed that yesterday, and panicked for a minute, thinked he had left the group

If you look at our "Standings" page on the ESPN site, you'll see that his magnificent -20 on Monday required a box that was longer vertically than everyone elses's, in order to accomodate the minus sign (They had the minus sign above the number 20.

That made the page too large to fit on one page of Arvisa, I guess.

There must be a way to get to page two, etc. over there, since there are many leagues with more than eight teams, but I didn't bother to figure out how.

Anyway, MC now has a positive total for the week, so you should be able to see him. When you looked at 4:00 AM, the scores hadn't been updated yet, so ESPN was still showing him with the -20.

Whew....

Edit:: He's there


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Re: Baseball Challenge 2004 #239537
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I was beginning to get a fantasy complex. My Yankees came through with a day-leading 56. And just so you know that I'm not totally sleeping, the Yanks aren't playing tomorrow, so I picked the Indians minus the DH (that put me over). Ironically, the Yankee team keeps me under the cap no matter who is pitching.


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Re: Baseball Challenge 2004 #239538
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Tuesday (Official)
(+7 for Marlins takers JG, FS, and SC; 5 from PS, and 2 more from offense somewhere)
Code:
PL  3230  Minn (26) 45  3275   Fla  Pavano 17-5 2.94 & Bump 2-3 4.59
DB  3181  Bost (07) 51  3232   Fla 
JG  2971  Fla  (05) 46  3017   Fla
CC  2938  Minn (26) 47  2985   Fla
CB  2607  Mets (35) 46  2653   Oak  Mulder 17-4 3.90
FS  2598  Fla  (05) 42  2640   Fla
SC  2585  Fla  (05) 44  2629   Fla
MC  2233  NYY  (41) 56  2289   NYY  Vasquez 13-9 4.94 
Today's Key Matchups:

PL vs. DB:
LoDuca vs. Mirabelli
Gonzalez (Mont) vs. Gonzalez (Fla)
Sledge vs. Connine
Phelps vs. Rivera

JG vs. CC:
Barajas vs. Schneider
Lowell vs. Batista
Sledge vs. Connine
Pierre vs. Chavez

FS vs. SC:
Buck vs. Hernandez
Lowell vs. Batista
Connine vs. Sledge
Pierre vs. Chavez
LeCroy vs. Pickering
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19 days to go


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Re: Baseball Challenge 2004 #239539
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Quote:
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the Yankee team keeps me under the cap no matter who is pitching.
Well, that certainly makes it easy enough to "play", doesn't it? :rolleyes:

But I'm thinking....Aren't there more off-days to worry about than doubleheaders?

Lemme check.....


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Re: Baseball Challenge 2004 #239540
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A question of ethics.....

My discussion in a couple of the football threads yesterday with Buffy touchd on a few questions of ethics in poker playing as well as fantasy sports, the desire to win at all costs, etc.....

So here's the question:

I am fairly certain that in last years fantasy baseball game you were able to see the transaction logs of the other players. I remember that, because one of my discussions with FS prompted me to look at everyone's to see if there was a correlation between a person's score and their number of transactions (there was, BTW. More transactions generally led to a higher score).

Anyway, this year only your own transaction log is viewable and you cannot see it for the other players.

However.....

If it was, and given the following circumstances

1) That it is an advantage for the person in first place to know the picks of the person in second place before making his own selections.

2) That there was a doubleheader originally scheduled yesterday (Tuesday), and it's quite possible that DB made his selections on that basis early Monday and then changed them later in the day.

3) That all of those transactions by DB would have been visible yesterday, and I could have had a pretty good idea of what his team would look like today, when the same doubleheader is scheduled.

Of course, I'd be gambling that he was aware of this and might deliberately change his team from his original DH selections, seeking to throw me off the track, but the question is:

Would it have been unethical for me to look?

I say "No", for the following reasons:

I usually make my picks arounf 8:00 or 9:00 PM, after I check the weather in the East and Midwest.
Someone who makes their picks earlier assumes the risk that something like this could happen (altho this was a highly unusual, and perhaps unprecedented occurance).

Also, another player's transaction log is public information and therefore a legitimate research tool.

Yeah, I know. I'm the only one who's mind works like that, I'm the only one who thinks like that, I take this all too seriously, yada yada yada.


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Re: Baseball Challenge 2004 #239541
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Inexplicable... I get a lousy 7 PS points while Plaw gets 26 and I GAIN on first place.

Good thing I've been working on my Neo-dodging-bullets impersonation...

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On plaw's question... I think your question ultimately was if it was unethical to look at someone else's transaction log.

My answer: Although I wouldn't go through the trouble, my answer is no, it is not unethical. It's there - it's a research tool just like any other.

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Quote:
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On plaw's question... I think your question ultimately was if it was unethical to look at someone else's transaction log.

My answer: Although I wouldn't go through the trouble, my answer is no, it is not unethical. It's there - it's a research tool just like any other.
I agree, of course, but just have the feeling that if we had wound up with the same team today, and I said that I picked the same team as you based on your T. Log from the previous day, I would have been in for a solid round of criticism.


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