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Re: How bout them Yankees!?
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05/04/05 11:44 AM
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I just heard on ESPN that Steinbrener is going a different route with this team now. He has a meeting with the commisioner today and apparently wants to discuss simply buying the wins rather than having to write all of those paychecks :rolleyes: "You have only $200 million? Tough, find a way to win. That's your job!" Brian Cashman, Yankees GM I love all the yankee fans having heart attacks because their team is doing bad. The team is bought, their only strategy is buying stars so no other team can get their hands on them. You've never gone through a "rebuilding" phase with your team it's always "buy more players". I don't think we heard enough about Boston winning the world series. They went 82/86 whatever YEARS without winning yet the yankees go 25 games without a winning record and everyone is going insane. hmm maybe an 80 year W.S. drought is what yankee fans may need. /rant off
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Re: How bout them Yankees!?
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05/04/05 12:07 PM
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Irishman12
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Originally posted by DonMichaelCorleone: I love all the yankee fans having heart attacks because their team is doing bad. The team is bought, their only strategy is buying stars so no other team can get their hands on them. You've never gone through a "rebuilding" phase with your team it's always "buy more players". Didn't go through a rebuidling phase? Ever hear of the 1980s? How many titles did the Yankees win between 1979 and 1996. NONE! And we're the "only" team that buys players, huh? So Manny Ramirez signed with Boston for the food? And David Ortiz stays for the weather? And Matt Clement likes to be by the water? And Keith Foulke wanted to be with Johnny Damon. Oh, how about the Astros signging Roger Clemens after he "retired" in 2003? The Yankees are the "only" ones who buy players, I think not! Originally posted by DonMichaelCorleone: I don't think we heard enough about Boston winning the world series.
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Re: How bout them Yankees!?
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05/04/05 03:21 PM
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plawrence
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I have no problem with the Yankees strategy of "buying" players.
But like any other strategy, you still have to make the right moves, which recently the Yanks clearly have not.
--Putting 1B in the hands of Giambi and Tino this year, and not going after free agents Mientkiewicz or Delgado.
--Not going after Beltran.
--Having no fourth outfielder. Someone who can play everyday for a month or so if necesary. Sierra or Crosby don't fit that description.
--Letting Jon Lieber go.
--Signing Jaret Wright, who, in the three seasons between 2000 and 2002, appeared in only 24 major league games, compiling a 7-9 record with a 7.27 E.R.A, and has now been on the disabled list 8 times in 10 years and has never had a season in which he pitched more than 193 innings.
--Trading for Kevin Brown. Forget about giving up Jeff Weaver (altho he'd probably be an improvement over Brown).....the key player they gave up in that deal was reliever Yhency Brazoban, who last year was 6-2, 2.48 in 31 games, and this year is 1-0, 2.38 in 12 games.
No Beltran and Wright for Lieber are the keys though, I think.
"Difficult....not impossible"
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Re: How bout them Yankees!?
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05/04/05 03:46 PM
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Originally posted by plawrence: --Letting Jon Lieber go.
--Signing Jaret Wright, who, in the three seasons between 2000 and 2002, appeared in only 24 major league games, compiling a 7-9 record with a 7.27 E.R.A, and has now been on the disabled list 8 times in 10 years and has never had a season in which he pitched more than 193 innings.
No Beltran and Wright for Lieber are the keys though, I think. I agree with these points. I never really knew much about Lieber before last year but he had a pretty good postseason from what I remember. I was for trading for Johnson and signing Pavano, but I was against signed Wright. I would have given the money we gave Wright to Lieber to make him stay. I also would have signed Beltran as well. As for Brown, I was for the trade originally and he started out great last year (I think he was 9-1) before the first time he got injured in May or June of last year. Once he got injured, he's never been the same for the Yanks
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Re: How bout them Yankees!?
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05/06/05 10:59 PM
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Originally posted by Just Lou: If George's horse loses tomorrow, heads will start rolling in the Yankee dugout by Monday. That reminds me of the story about a horse that tried out for the Yankees: A horse came onto the field during a workout and walked over to Joe Torre. Torre looked up and was shocked to see this. He yelled out, "What the hell is this about?". The horse replied, "I'd like to try out for the team. Torre laughed and said, "Thats ridiculous, a horse can't play baseball". The horse was determined to get a chance to try out and replied, "I'm a great ballplayer". Torre was in a light-hearted mood and was up for a laugh so he allowed the horse to take a few swings. The horse hit the first pitch out of the park into the left field stands. Torre was astounded and yelled out to Randy Johnson on the mound that he should throw some heat. The horse knocked it into the second deck. Torre was now totally flabbergasted. He yelled to the horse, "OK, run the next one out". The horse swung at the next pitch and it sailed over Matsui's head, rolling up to the wall in front of the monuments. Matsui ran the ball down, turned, and threw the horse out at first base. Torre went jogging up to the horse and screamed that he had never seen such hitting like that but couldn't believe that the horse was thrown out at first base. The horse replied, "Hell, if I could run I'd be in the Kentucky Derby". :rolleyes:
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Re: How bout them Yankees!?
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05/09/05 10:01 AM
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plawrence
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What a difference starting pitching makes.
If Mussina and Brown continue to pitch well, and Johnson is 75% of what he was last year if they can find one more competent starter, they might be OK.
Baltimore will come back to the pack a bit, Boston (with Schilling and Wells out) doesn't look as strong as they were last year, and the rest of the division is weak.
The key is Brown and getting one more decent starter.
"Difficult....not impossible"
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Re: How bout them Yankees!?
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05/09/05 07:46 PM
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Time for our weekly update. MC Predicts 5/8/2005
W L W L
Randy Johnson 9 8 2 2
Mike Mussina 14 7 3 2
Kevin Brown 1 3 1 4
Carl Pavano 16 10 2 2
Jaret Wright 10 11 2 2
50 39 10 12
Bullpen/Others 32 41 3 7
Totals 82 80 13 19
Kevy got his win...finally. Moose looked good. How are some of those "last year's pitchers" doin. Jose Contreras - White Sox 1-0, 2.60 era El Duque - White Sox 4-1, 2.92 Jon Lieber - Phillies 5-1, 2.57 Javier Vazquez - D'backs 4-2, 4.70
Whoever exalts himself will be humbled, whoever humbles himself will be exalted - Matthew 23:12
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Re: How bout them Yankees!?
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05/11/05 10:14 AM
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So far, Chien Ming Wang seems to be the Lieber-esque stater this year. That is, he is a good pitcher who doesn't have overpowering stuff, but can get ground outs and popups. Hopefully, Wang can stay up with the big club and continue to be consistent.
Matsui also needs to get out of his slump, it's clearly the worst of his career. But when he's back, it will be nice.
Robinson "Crusoe" Cano has some defensive pop, and played well last nite. Seems to be as good of a prospect as projected.
Gi-"Go down to Columbus"-ambi should go down to the Clippers so we have another roster spot. Goodness knows we have to have another minor leaguer who can at least hit the ball 1-100. :p
Hopefully, this little rally the Yanks have built up is a good sign that the team chemistry is growing and the ship is back on course. Not jumping the gun, though.
And BTW...again, why was everybody so down on Tino's hitting ability except for me? Clearly, I think he's proven his critics wrong. We have a superior first baseman in Tino, and I have no idea why George Steinbrenner doesn't send Giambi to the same glue factory Bellamy Road will be heading to.
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