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Re: How bout them Yankees!?
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05/02/05 03:45 PM
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Johnson has pitched well, but his fastball also is peaking at 92 mph, well short of the 98 mph he has been used to. Mussina, however, needs to get his rhythm going and use the knucklecurve effectively. From what I heard on Mike & the Mad Dog, the Yanks are going to need to cut a pitcher. Groom has pitched very well, while Stanton has struggled. Karsay? Could the axe fall for him? I hope they don't ditch Sturtze, he was great for us down the stretch. If they do drop somebody, let's hope his last name is Brown. :p From ESPN, Omar Daal is the only FA pitcher available at the moment. I wonder whether the Yankees have another Chien Ming Wang down there in Columbus somewhere... Oh "Admiral" Halsey, where have you gone....
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Re: How bout them Yankees!?
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05/03/05 10:25 AM
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Womack to left, Matsui to center, Bernie to the bench to share DH duties with Giambi, Robinson Cano up from Columbus to play 2B.
Not exactly a murderer's row.....
C-- Posada (Semi washed-up) 1B- Tino (Almost completely washed up) 2B- Cano (Unproven rookie) 3B- A Rod SS- Jeter LF- Womack (Not they type of offense you want from a leftfielder CF- Matsui RF- Sheffield DH- Giambi/Bernie (Both pretty much done).
Four legit stars, the rest of the guys way into the downsides of their careers, plus an unreliable bunch of starters and an unreliable (exept for Mo) bullpen.
.500 and third place, anyone?
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Re: How bout them Yankees!?
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05/03/05 10:53 AM
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Originally posted by plawrence: Not exactly a murderer's row.....
Four legit stars, ...plus an unreliable bunch of starters and an unreliable (INCLUDING (my edit) Mo) bullpen.
.500 and third place, anyone? My prediction of 82-80 might be ambitious. How about rookie phenom Andy Phillips - 4 whiffs.
Whoever exalts himself will be humbled, whoever humbles himself will be exalted - Matthew 23:12
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Re: How bout them Yankees!?
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05/03/05 11:04 AM
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Originally posted by MaryCas: How about rookie phenom Andy Phillips - (my edit: 5) whiffs. I'd play him at first base ahead of Tino against lefties.
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Re: How bout them Yankees!?
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05/03/05 11:58 AM
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Originally posted by plawrence:
Not exactly a murderer's row.....
Again, as I said, on paper. There is no denying that most of the roster is playing well below potential. Posada: Definitely has some issues. While he is still strong defensively, his batting skills have seriously dropped since his great 2003 season. Martinez: He is still the *best* defensive first basemen in the game despite his age, with an excellent lifetime .995 fielding percentage. I'd still put him in the batters box over Giambi any day. Cano: AAA 2B. We really don't know much, other than that he is one of the Yankees top prospects, though from what I hear from ESPN and YES he isn't projected to be much more than an everyday player. A-Rod: His batting skills are varying from day to day. Still having problems adjusting to 3B. I wonder what would happen if Torre worked him out at SS for a few games. Jeter: Still the Yankees most consistant bat. Though he's in his prime, and still one of the top 5 shortshops, Tejada is clearly the premier defensive shortstop in the league. His effort and leadership are, however, unparalled. Womack: He's been a disappointment. I really was confused as to why we let both Enrique Wilson AND Miguel Cairo loose after the season, except for the fact that Womack was an excellent base runner and stealing threat. However, the pop in Cairo's bat is missed. Matsui: Also struggling a bit, I still think his solid batting mechanics and fielding place him near the top of the team in value. It will be interesting to see how he handles the transition to CF, though they said on Baseball Tonight he was the best CF in the game a couple of years ago before he came to NY. Sheffield: Still performing well, but is showing signs of age. Nothing to snuff at though, he is the Yankees big bat from the right side. Giambi: Will the real Giambi please stand up? No. Please sit down. Why didn't we terminate this bum's contract after the whole steroid thing? Bernie: Very, very streaky at the plate. His fielding skills have diminished because of his age and knee problems, but he still can get it done. He should probably move into a more mentor type role for Bubba Crosby. Sierra: Best possible choice at DH when he is healthy. Starting Pitching: Johnson will need to be more Johnson-esque, and Pavano will have to keep pitching effectively. Mussina did alright last night, but also has to step it up a notch. The jury is still out on whether Jaret Wright can become an effective starter. And Kevin Brown should be flushed the same way other brown things like his namesake are sent down the toilet. Bullpen: The bullpen, even with Mo, has been ineffective. Sturtze started slow and now is hurt, Gordon is...clueless, and Stanton has been questionable. Groom has actually been a pleasant surprise, since we need a good left-hander in the 'pen. Karsay was clearly expendable. Felix Rodriguez needs to not turn into Felix Heredia. I hope we keep Colter Bean up, he seemed to do a pretty good job from what I saw.
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Re: How bout them Yankees!?
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05/03/05 04:50 PM
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If you think the Yankees are a good team this year and just need one more top quality starter to get them over the hump, then Clemens could make the difference. Unfortunately, though, I think the problem is gonna prove to be just as much on offense as on the mound. They'll be looking around for a leftfielder or centerfielder that they can rent - someone like Arizona's Luis Gonzalez if the D'backs fall out of the race. And it looks like not going after Beltran this past off-season was a mistake -- I mean how much worse are the Mets than the Yanks now? Yanks Mets
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C Posada Piazza Slight edge Yanks
1B Tino/Giambi Mientkiewicz Slight edge Mets
2B Cano Matsui Who knows? Edge Mets, I guess
3B A Rod Wright Edge to Yanks now, but in 5 years?
SS Jeter Reyes See A Rod/Wright comment
LF Womack Floyd Edge Mets
CF Matsui Beltran Edge Mets
RF Sheffield Cameron Edge Yanks
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SP Johnson Martinez Too close to call
SP Mussina Glavine Edge Yanks
SP Pavano Benson Edge Yanks, maybe
SP Brown Zambrano Who knows?
SP Wang Iishi Who knows?
Closer Rivera Looper Big edge Yanks Actually, Cameron would be a great fit for the Yankees. I think the Mets would like Victor Diaz to play every day, and a Matsui-Cameron-Sheffield outfield would be a good one for the Yanks. And I know what you Yankee fans are thinking about a David Wright-A Rod comparison, but would anyone be really shcked if they both finished around .300 with 30-35 homers and 100-110 RBIs?
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Re: How bout them Yankees!?
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05/03/05 05:09 PM
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I wonder if they even have a decent pitching prospect or two that they can cough up.
How about Cameron, Heilman, and Matsui for Cano and Pavano?
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Re: How bout them Yankees!?
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05/03/05 05:25 PM
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I think it's a fair trade talent-wise, and it helps both teams.
I doubt if Pavano is ever going to be as successful in the AL as he was in the NL, as is the case with most pitchers who switch from the National League.
Heilman has shown flashes this year, and Matsui, I think, is better than Womack (at least offensively).
So the Yankees upgrade at 2B and in CF, with a moderate loss at third starter.
THe Mets give up two regulars, but can now play Cairo (while waiting for Cano to develop if he's not ready yet) and Diaz without too much of a drop-off, and improve their starting pitching.
I wonder what the Yankee fans would think of this deal?
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Re: How bout them Yankees!?
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05/04/05 07:34 AM
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Originally posted by Irishman12: I just don't understand what's going on. Short Answer: They got old fast. Posada, Bernie, Mussina, Gordon, Rivera, and Randy Johnson are all past their prime, and, with the possible exception of Johnson and Rivera, it's unrealistic to expect them to perform at the same level that they have in the past. Also don't forget that as players age, even if they keep their performance level up, they become more prone to injuries. Giambi, Tino, Quantrill (and the rest of the bullpen) and Kevin Brown are basically useless, and Womack is a nothing anyway and certainly no better than Miguel Cairo. I wouldn't count them out just yet, but if Sheffield starts to show his age anytime this season, either by a performance drop-off or with an injury, and either Johnson, Pavano, or Mussina misses many starts, don't be surprised if the Yanks finish around .500
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