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Re: How bout them Yankees!?
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08/16/06 10:25 AM
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Boston's little collapse here has certainly helped, but I'm still impressed with what the Yankees are doing.
And what a deal that was - picking up Abreau and Wilson.
Since Wang's last three starts, though, now I'm worried about the starting pitching again.
I picture them in the playoffs against Oakland's Zito, Haren, and Blanton (not great, but man-for-man a little better than the Yanks "Big 3", I think)......Detroit's Verlander, Bonderman, and Robertson (unproven, but you still have to respect them)......the Angels Weaver, Lackey, and Saunders (there's the team the Yankees don't want to meet in the playoffs)......or the Twins Santana, Radke, and Liriano (if he's healthy).
And if some of the White Sox starters get straightened out....
"Difficult....not impossible"
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Re: How bout them Yankees!?
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08/16/06 09:17 PM
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Dotel joins team
NEW YORK -- When the Yankees signed Octavio Dotel to a one-year deal last winter, they knew they would have to wait for him to finish rehabbing his surgically repaired right elbow before he would throw a pitch for New York.
The wait is over.
Dotel joined the Yankees on Wednesday, bolstering the team's bullpen for the stretch run. Dotel, 32, will join Kyle Farnsworth, Scott Proctor and Ron Villone as the primary setup men for Mariano Rivera.
"I feel like it's the first time I got to the big leagues," Dotel said. "The way I feel is it's a big time to come back. It's something where you have to work hard; you've got to earn it to come back after elbow surgery."
To make room for Dotel, the Yankees optioned right-hander Jose Veras to Triple-A Columbus.
Dotel was in his hotel room watching "Mission Impossible 3" in Columbus, when he got the call he had been waiting from Mark Littlefield, the organization's Tampa-based player development trainer.
"It's kind of funny, because when I heard from Mark Littlefield, I told him what I was watching," Dotel said. "He said, 'Well that mission is impossible, but this one is possible.' It was really an exciting moment for me right there. I didn't watch any of the movie after that."
Dotel had started and stopped his rehab assignment twice during the season, but his last one proved to be enough. Dotel had been in constant contact with general manager Brian Cashman, telling him that he was ready to join the team.
"He's been giving me a full-court press for a week," Cashman said. "He's felt for a week that he's been ready to join us."
"We talked after the game last night and Brian said that he's ready to go," Joe Torre said. "He's anxious. I always sensed with Dotel that he was willing to be patient with this whole thing, but for the last week, he's been champing at the bit."
With every setback Dotel suffered during his rehab, the thought crossed his mind that he might not return at all in 2006.
"It's kind of crazy, because sometimes you feel great and then you feel like you don't have [anything], and then the next day you feel good," Dotel said. "You think, 'What's wrong with me? What's going on in there?' One thing I can say is, I always felt positive in my mind."
Earlier this week, Torre didn't seem optimistic about getting Dotel back in the next week or two. But there he was Wednesday, slipping into his No. 29 pinstriped uniform.
"What may have turned the tide or pushed it over the edge was his attitude," Torre said. "When he's that proud of his stuff, it makes you feel good about it."
Torre plans to work Dotel in slowly, using him to start an inning at the beginning instead of putting him in with men on base. Dotel also hasn't worked in back-to-back games, so Torre isn't going to push the envelope on that issue, either.
"He gives us a little more experience in the bullpen," Torre said. "I'm happy he's here. This sort of came quickly, so hopefully it works out for him and for us."
Sheff swings
Gary Sheffield took the next step in his rehab on Wednesday, swinging a bat 20 times in his swimming pool.
Sheffield will visit hand specialist Dr. Charles Melone next week, at which point he hopes to be cleared to begin hitting.
"In my view, based on how I feel, I feel great; I feel like I want to swing a bat now, but I have to see the doctor," Sheffield said. "Once I get out of the pool, tee work and BP shouldn't be too far away."
"That's great news," Torre said. "I'm sure he's pleased about that. It's a step; once you start swinging the bat, you can start looking down the road."
Sheffield said he needs his surgically repaired left wrist to heal a little more and get some more strength before he can move forward with his rehab.
"I'm pain-free and that's all I've been waiting for for a long time," Sheffield said. "I'm not in a hurry. My plan is not in the short-term. My plan is long-term. That's the only thing I'm worried about."
Sheffield said he first felt pain-free at the beginning of the week, when he started playing catch.
"The first time I went out there, there was a lot of pressure when I caught a ball," he said. "After that I didn't feel any pain. Once I started catching balls from A-Rod and all those guys throwing it hard, I knew I was ready."
Carl on track
Carl Pavano, who threw four scoreless innings for Class A Tampa on Tuesday, will make his third rehab start Sunday for Double-A Trenton.
Pavano threw 56 pitches in his outing, a number which will increase to about 75 on Sunday. According to Cashman, Pavano's pitch count will increase by about 15 pitches each time he takes the mound.
"He's going to have to go through a whole Spring Training; we have to get him up to at least 100 pitches," Cashman said. "We need to build his arm strength up. When he gets to 100, we'll be in position to take him."
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Re: How bout them Yankees!?
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08/17/06 11:26 AM
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The good news is that the rotation gets started off with Wang against Jason Johnson, who hasn't won in a Red Sox uniform, and is 3-11. Sidney Ponson will probably blow it in the night game, even though we're facing Lester, who, along with Johnson, makes up the weak back end of the Red Sox rotation. Hopefully Randy Johnson can hold off the Sox long enough for the Yanks to bomb Beckett, who is 1-1 with a 10.80 ERA against the Yankees this year, and Mussina can with the pitchers dual with Schilling on Sunday. Lidle and Wells is a toss up - both could get bombed on Monday.
My predictions?
Wang v. Johnson - Yankees Ponson v. Lester - Red Sox Johnson v. Beckett - Yankees Mussina v. Schilling - Red Sox (Moose pitches a no-decision) Lidle v. Wells - Yankees
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Re: How bout them Yankees!?
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08/19/06 10:35 AM
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Wang Not Ordinary Meet the AL's premier sinkerballer Klapisch By Bob Klapisch
BOSTON -- When Chien-Ming Wang takes the mound at Fenway, he'll be deep enough in enemy territory to feel the moisture on his face -- which is precisely what happens to most opposing pitchers who find themselves 60 feet, 6 inches away from David Ortiz and Manny Ramirez
But there's not much about Wang that categorizes him as ordinary, not with a 95 mph sinker that's turned Wang into the American League's premier ground-ball pitcher, or with a personality that's either zombie-like or brilliantly serene. Wang is a smoker, too.
And when it comes to music, the Taiwanese right-hander says he's made the cultural leap. It's Snoop Dogg that Wang listens to, recently telling The Journal News (White Plains, N.Y.) he likes the rap star's "good songs."
Given the unusual profile, it's no wonder the Yankees say they're blissfully intrigued by Wang, who has an angry pitching profile -- hard sinker, blistering four-seam fastball -- but is as gentle as a monk in the clubhouse.
"Chien doesn't say much," is how Joe Torre put it. "He's no different than the first day we met him. But I wouldn't say he's oblivious to what's going on. That's not the way I would describe it. I'd say he's very calm."
Wang is only 26, but his maturity is rooted in part by two major shoulder injuries that cost him parts of the 2001 and 2003 seasons in the minor leagues. Wang knows how precious his gifts are, particularly that stunning two-seamer that separates him from the rest of the Yankees' rotation, if not the AL itself.
Jorge Posada flatly says Wang has the most charismatic stuff among the Bombers' pitchers. That's no small endorsement on a staff that boasts Mike Mussina's knuckle-curve, Randy Johnson's 90-something fastball and Mariano Rivera's legendary cutter.
But Wang can defeat hitters even when they know what's coming: His two-seamer bores down and in to right-handed hitters, making him a nightmare to anyone even thinking of elevating the ball.
"Trying to hit fly balls against Wang on a regular basis, you just can't do it, especially righties," Posada said. "A left-handed hitter can at least try to go the other way against him. But a righty has no answer. It's a devastating pitch."
The mystery of Wang's two-seamer is how late it breaks and how irresistible it looks to hitters who come to the plate vowing not to get tricked. For 55 feet, it looks like a four-seam fastball, straight enough to track. But then comes the sharp, downward break that reminds peers of Kevin Brown in his prime.
Slowly but surely, smarter hitters are giving up trying to drive the ball into the gaps against Wang. On his better days, it's wiser to think of ground ball singles as the way to defeat him. For every fly ball Wang allows, he forces 3.36 grounders, the best ratio in the league.
That would explain why Wang is unafraid to keep challenging hitters over and over. Posada estimates 85 percent of Wang's pitches are sinkers. In beating the Devil Rays on July 8, Wang tossed out his other weapons altogether and threw 100 percent sinkers.
Those numbers become even more impressive in light of Wang's relative unfamiliarity with the pitch. As recently as two years ago, he was relying on the curveball and four-seam fastball, until Triple-A pitching coach Neil Allen taught Wang how to crack the code on the two-seamer.
Sal Fasano, who caught Wang in Columbus that year and is once again a teammate in the Bronx, summed up the transformation: "He became a totally different pitcher in like a week. I remember one game after the All-Star break, we were playing Pawtucket, in that little bandbox of a stadium they have, and Chien just blew their hitters away. He was throwing some serious ched [velocity] right by them."
Here's one other bizarre curve of fate: The Yankees were ready to trade Wang after the 2004 season in their pursuit of Randy Johnson. The Bombers let the Diamondbacks know that anyone and everyone in the farm system was available to them. If they'd wanted Wang as part of a deal for the Big Unit, all the D-Backs had to do was ask.
They never did.
"I was hoping they wouldn't, but his name never came up," Yankees GM Brian Cashman said. "I guess people didn't think he was very good. Or else no one thought very much of the way we developed prospects. They must've figured if Wang was our best, how good could he be?"
Truth is, the Diamondbacks did scout Wang that summer, but he made no impression.
Bryan Lambe, who now scouts for the Mets, told The New York Times, "I'd like to say I never saw him, but I did, maybe for a game or at least a part of a game.
"He pitched well, but not like now. He didn't have that velocity or that kind of sink. Natural maturity took care of the velocity, but somebody fine-tuned him, because that sinker is as good as anybody's."
It goes without saying how much the Yankees are counting on Wang, not just today, but in September and October.
"This [race] is far from over," said Cashman, meaning the tension will be thick enough to rattle almost anyone.
That is, except Wang and his two trusted weapons:
That sinker. And that zero-anxiety demeanor.
Perfect accessories for a weekend at Fenway.
Bob Klapisch is a sports columnist for The Record (N.J.) and a regular contributor to ESPN.com. But let's all remember - he still sucks! :rolleyes:
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Re: How bout them Yankees!?
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08/21/06 01:40 AM
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Originally posted by Irishman12: Make that 4 in a row for my Yankees. How much do you pay Steinbrenner?
I studied Italian for 2 semesters. Not once was a "C" pronounced as a "G", and never was a trailing "I" ignored! And I'm from Jersey!  lol Whaddaya want me to do? Whack a guy? Off a guy? Whack off a guy? --Peter Griffin My DVDs | Facebook | Godfather Filming Locations
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Re: How bout them Yankees!?
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08/21/06 08:52 AM
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Wow. Really didn't know whether they would come back. Then, Jorge (aka Mr. Clutch) has that passed ball, setting up the bases loaded...somehow we got out of that.
Glad to see Coco Crisp was able to keep playing, that was a tough play. The Yanks came up huge, thanks to Rivera and the offense onslaught against the Sox in extra innings.
BTW - is it just me, or does Papelbon look like a neonazi/psychopath with that hair (or, more appropriately, lack thereof) and his facial features? When they kept flashing to him on the bench, he looked like he wanted to flip out and kill someone... :p
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Re: How bout them Yankees!?
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08/21/06 04:14 PM
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SWEEEEEEEEEEEEEP!!! Yanks finish Boston beatdown, sweep five-game series BOSTON (AP) -- The New York Yankees celebrated in the dugout as if they'd just clinched a playoff berth. In a way, they've done everything but. Hugging and shaking hands after a demoralizing five-game sweep of the rival Red Sox, New York took a season-high 6½-game lead in the AL East with a 2-1 victory over Boston on Monday. The Yankees have never squandered a lead that large, and they hadn't swept Boston in five games in more than half a century. "A sweep in Boston?" winning pitcher Cory Lidle said, pausing before breaking out in a big smile. "Pretty awesome." After outscoring the Red Sox 47-25 in four games over three days and two early mornings, the Yankees rediscovered their pitching to win the sleepy series finale at Fenway Park. "Everything went about as wrong as it could," Red Sox manager Terry Francona said. "It's not been a very good five days." Lidle (2-2) pitched six shutout innings in his third -- and best -- start since coming to New York at the trading deadline along with more-heralded slugger Bobby Abreu. With All-Star closer Mariano Rivera unavailable after pitching two innings to win Sunday night's game -- actually, it ended at 1:26 a.m. Monday -- Kyle Farnsworth pitched the ninth for his second save in six tries. Yankees manager Joe Torre shouted in the Yankees' dugout and exchanged hearty handshakes with his coaches, then hugged his players as they came off the field. Even they found it hard to believe. "It was emotional," Torre said. "When you're sitting there, a manager's dream is to have these guys, their attitude. The guys that didn't play today -- you had to be in the dugout to hear the support that they gave each other." There were a lot of regulars not playing for the Yankees, who rested center fielder Johnny Damon, catcher Jorge Posada and first baseman Jason Giambi and used Derek Jeter at designated hitter. David Wells (2-3) coasted through the makeshift lineup for five innings before Abreu doubled in Melky Cabrera to break the scoreless tie. Nick Green doubled and scored on a wild pitch in the eighth to make it 2-0. Wily Mo Pena homered off Scott Proctor for Boston's only run. It was 28 years ago that the Yankees came to Fenway in September with a four-game deficit and left tied for the division lead -- a series remembered in baseball as the "Boston Massacre." New York, which had trailed by as many as 14 games, won the AL East in a one-game playoff settled when Bucky Dent's popup settled into the net above the Green Monster. The Red Sox hadn't been swept in a five-game series since the Cleveland Indians did it in 1954. The Yankees swept Boston in five games in New York in 1951 and at Fenway in '43. "It's been an emotional weekend," Red Sox second baseman Mark Loretta said. "It's been physically challenging and emotionally challenging for both sides. It's a little easier to take if you're winning." Both teams left for the West Coast, with the Red Sox knowing that their best chance to make the playoffs is the wild card. They began the day four games behind the Chicago White Sox and three in back of the Minnesota Twins. "We came into this series thinking we could make up ground (because) we were playing the team right in front of us," Francona said. "We certainly didn't put ourselves in a very good position. If we allow it to devastate us, then we weren't good enough in the first place." Lidle allowed three hits and five walks to go with five strikeouts. Octavio Dotel, Mike Myers and Proctor carried the shutout into the eighth. Wells gave up two runs on six hits and a walk, striking out four before Green doubled and moved to third on Cabrera's sacrifice bunt. Green scored to make it 2-0 when Keith Foulke's third pitch was wild. Red Sox outfielder Manny Ramirez left the game in the fifth inning with a cramp in his right hamstring. He had been the most productive player in the Red Sox lineup during the series, going 8-for-11 with two homers, seven RBI and nine walks. Game notes The 1933 Yankees led by six but finished seven behind Washington. ... According to the Elias Sports Bureau, the last five-game sweep in the majors was Boston over Toronto at Fenway Park in 2002. ... Red Sox SS Alex Gonzalez, who missed the previous two games with back spasms, was originally in the starting lineup but was scratched. ... Jeter's fourth-inning single was the 1,531st of his career, tying him with Bernie Williams and Lou Gehrig atop the Yankees' all-time list. Williams reached the milestone on Friday. ... Boston 1B Kevin Youkilis was not in the starting lineup a day after jamming his ankle and getting spiked in the hand. ... Kyle Snyder will start for Boston on Tuesday. ... Red Sox leadoff man Coco Crisp was 1-for-19 in the series. ... Torre said the groin tightness that caused starter Mike Mussina to leave Sunday night's game early was probably "just a cramp." Fri 8/18 NYY 12 @BOS 4
Fri 8/18 NYY 14 @BOS 11
Sat 8/19 NYY 13 @BOS 5
Sun 8/20 NYY 8 @BOS 5
Mon 8/21 NYY 2 @BOS 1
I studied Italian for 2 semesters. Not once was a "C" pronounced as a "G", and never was a trailing "I" ignored! And I'm from Jersey!  lol Whaddaya want me to do? Whack a guy? Off a guy? Whack off a guy? --Peter Griffin My DVDs | Facebook | Godfather Filming Locations
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