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Re: How bout them Yankees!? #258556
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Giambi Resting; Rejuvenating
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Jason Giambi's struggles at the plate continued on Monday night, as he extended his hitless streak to 18 at-bats with an 0-for-4 night.

Joe Torre decided to rest the slumping slugger on Tuesday, but the manager isn't concerned about Giambi's skid having any long-term effects on him.

"He's getting better," Torre said. "Donnie [Mattingly] figures his stroke is getting close."

Giambi agreed with his manager, and he doesn't think that it will take much to get himself back on the right track.

"I'm hoping to get that one good swing, to hit that one ball real hard, get a base hit and take off from there," Giambi said. "I feel close. Hopefully one good at-bat can get it going again."

Giambi's struggles coincide with a wrist injury that has hampered him for about two weeks. He first felt a problem during the team's series in Seattle after taking a check swing, but he played through it for more than a week before taking a cortisone shot to relieve the pain.

Giambi said Tuesday that his wrist feels "dull" and that he doesn't have enough "snap" in his hands because of the injury.

"I'm just in a little funk," Giambi said. "I'm just fouling off too many pitches right now; I don't have that last little snap to put the ball in play. I'm getting that mistake and fouling the ball back, and you can't do that at this level. Even when I do hit the ball hard, it's right at somebody."

Giambi was just 1-for-15 on the Yankees' homestand, so after striking out in his first at-bat on Monday, he decided it was time to take charge of himself. What did he do? He went into the clubhouse and shaved his mustache.

Unfortunately for him, he went 0-for-3 and was hit by two pitches in his next five trips to the plate.

"I figured it couldn't hurt; change something up," Giambi said. "It didn't really work out to my benefit though, since I got hit twice. Maybe I should have left it on."
Mariano Still On Mend
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Mariano Rivera played catch on Monday, but he still felt tightness in the muscle near his right elbow.

Rivera did not throw at all on Tuesday and may play catch on Wednesday, delaying a potential mound session until Friday at the earliest. Rivera said Monday that he would need to throw a bullpen session before he gets into a game, making it unlikely that he will pitch again before Saturday.

"We'll see generally how it feels; he said it felt better today," Torre said. "I'm not concerned because the tests they took show there's nothing that needs to be tended to other than just getting this thing out of there. He's going to be honest, because he understands how important it is."
Abreu Was Yanks Best Deal in Six Years
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It was late June in 2000 when Yankees general manager Brian Cashman decided his dynasty was in danger of collapse. After two consecutive world championships, the Bombers were barely above .500, having lost six of seven and looking nothing like the team that had blown through the 1998 and '99 World Series without losing a game.

This was still the pre-Jason Giambi, Alex Rodriguez, Hideki Matsui, Gary Sheffield era, and Cashman feared his in-house talent wouldn't be enough to take the Yankees to the postseason, let alone another Series. So he picked up the phone and promptly made the best trade of his professional life.

Cashman's acquisition of David Justice from the Indians delivered the Yankees to the Subway Series, where they beat the Mets in five games. A reborn Justice batted .305 after arriving in the Bronx, slugging 20 home runs in just 275 at-bats.

To this day, Justice is the billboard of best-case scenarios -- proof that one trade, one player, can redefine a season. Six years later, Cashman has picked the right horse again, getting Bobby Abreu in time for the Yankees' five-game sweep at Fenway last month and the subsequent sprint for the playoffs.

The ultra-selective Abreu sees a major league-best 4.47 pitches per plate appearance.

After watching Abreu go 10-for-20 against his team, Curt Schilling noted the difference between the Yankees and Sox was Abreu himself.

"I told my teammates, 'He's going to be the best player in baseball for the last eight weeks of the season,'" Schilling said.

All Abreu has done is bat .374 in pinstripes, including a four-RBI night in the Yankees' 12-5 thrashing of the Royals Monday. His .460 on-base percentage is fueled by a major league best 113 walks -- all of which come from Abreu's extraordinary discipline and patience in the batter's box.

He averages 4.47 pitches per plate appearance, tops in the majors. Combined with Giambi, who looks at 4.37 pitches per plate appearance (third in the AL), the Yankees are wearing out opposing pitchers at a relentless pace.

In taking four of six from the Tigers and Twins last week, the Yankees forced opposing starters to average 90 pitches in five innings. The driving force is Abreu, who in Giambi's words, "can break down a pitcher psychologically in how fast he can go from 0-2 to 3-2 in the count."

More often than not, Abreu will lengthen at-bats for the sheer pleasure of making a pitcher work.

"I like getting a good look because it helps me and my teammates," he said. "It helps me later in the game, too, because by then I've had a chance to see how the pitcher is throwing to me."

Of course, there's a narrow gulf between patience and passivity, and if there was any criticism in Philadelphia over Abreu's style of play, it's that he was too eager to walk and too reluctant to crash into the outfield walls chasing down a fly ball.

How would that laid-back demeanor look in comparison to the hyperactive Johnny Damon? That was no small curiosity. Before making the swap with the Phillies, Cashman quizzed Larry Bowa, the Yankees' third base coach and Abreu's former manager in Philadelphia, about the possibility of an unwelcome transition.

After all, Yankees fans had spent much of July and August booing Rodriguez until Joe Torre was finally forced to move A-Rod out of the No. 3 spot in the batting order. That would become Abreu's turf, but not until Cashman was assured that his new right fielder could absorb the win-or-else mandate that's like the Yankees' second skin.

Bowa, however, was sure Abreu would grow to love New York.

"I didn't think it would be an issue whether Bobby would fit in here," he said. "He's surrounded by a lot of great players. In Philly, he took a lot of responsibility on himself. If he didn't hit, he felt the team couldn't win."

Abreu was more or less right about the Phillies' plight: He never got to the postseason in eight years with the Phillies. He spoke of coming to the Yankees as a "dream come true; you get here and you realize why these guys win all the time. It's all they think about is winning. It's more exciting here. There's so much passion to win."

Whether Abreu can sustain his production is anyone's guess. The Phillies wondered out loud about the outfielder's declining home run production. More importantly, GM Pat Gillick was so desperate to unload the $20 million Abreu is owed through 2008, he didn't put up a fight when the Yankees demanded Cory Lidle be included in the deal.

In the short term, the Yankees had no problem allowing their payroll to swell over $200 million, especially if it meant finding another David Justice-like lottery ticket. Actually, there was no luck involved; the Yankees knew they had the Phillies backed into a corner, because they were the only team willing to absorb Abreu's salary.

Still, in Cashman's fiefdom, the ends justify the means, especially if it guarantees the Yankees their ninth straight division title.

Abreu says he's ready for the monthlong riot that descends upon the Bronx every October. If anyone can handle stress, it seems, it's Abreu, who is so unassuming and uncomplicated, he's become the anti-A-Rod.

With a smile, Abreu says, "That's me, I don't really say much. It's the way I am."

No wonder Derek Jeter calls Abreu, "the perfect fit" for the Yankees. No issues, no scandals, only base hits. Talk about old school.



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Yanks got stomped tonight. What the f*ck happened to Lidle? He only went 1 2/3 giving up 6 runs But it's all good because Boston blew it in the 9th to Kansas City

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Man I can't believe Wang has turned out so good this year. Tonight he went 7 1/3 innings, 8 hits, 1 run, 0 BB, 1 SO. He's 17-5 ( ) with a 3.60 ERA.

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WOO HOO! Boston losses to Kansas City AGAIN, and now they're a full 10 games back of those pesky New York Yankees

Re: How bout them Yankees!? #258560
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***MATSUI RETURNS TO THE YANKEE LINEUP MONDAY!!!***



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Now what did Giambi do to his wrist? I'm hearing he injured it last month on a road trip in Seattle?

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The Yankees are officially the best team in the A.L. with a record of 85-56 (.603) compared to Detroit's 86-58 (.597). Now if the Yanks can just hang on, they'll have homefield advantage throughout the playoffs

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Yes, homefield advantage.......that worked well in 2003.

:p

No offense, but thats always overrated. Besides, how many WS-winning squads in the last 25 years actually had homefield advantage?

Again, my prediction from weeks and weeks ago has come true. The Yanks have the East.

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Wow, even Jack Nicholson thinks the hate against A-Rod is silly.

http://nymag.com/guides/fallpreview/2006/movies/19704/

"I’d like to help A-Rod out, because they just won’t shut up in the Stadium"

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Ortiz says he should still be considered for MVP

David Ortiz, the American League leader in home runs and RBI, says Boston's fall from the American League playoff race should not disqualify him from the race for the AL's Most Valuable Player award.


But Ortiz told reporters after the Red Sox's 9-3 win over the Royals on Sunday that he thinks that's what's going to happen.


"I'll tell you one thing," Ortiz said. "If I get 50 home runs and 10 more RBI [which would give him 137], that's going to be a round number that no one else in the American League will have."


"But they'll vote for a position player, use that as an excuse. They're talking about [Derek] Jeter a lot, right? He's done a great job, he's having a great season, but Jeter is not a 40-homer hitter or an RBI guy. It doesn't matter how much you've done for your ball club, the bottom line is, the guy who hits 40 home runs and knocks in 100, that's the guy you know helped your team win games.


"Don't get me wrong -- he's a great player, having a great season, but he's got a lot of guys in that lineup," Ortiz continued. "Top to bottom, you've got a guy who can hurt you. Come hit in this lineup, see how good you can be."


Ortiz said if he had a vote, he might cast it for Jermaine Dye or Paul Konerko of the Chicago White Sox, or Justin Morneau of the Minnesota Twins.


"All depends on who makes the playoffs," he said. "Dye is having an unbelievable season, an incredible year. Konerko, too.


"Morneau, he's having a great season, but in Minnesota, there's no publicity. I bet you nobody knows who he is."


Ortiz also noted that Alex Rodriguez won the MVP in 2003, despite the fact his Texas Rangers finished last in the AL West. That season, A-Rod hit .298 with 47 home runs and 118 RBI.


"I'm right there," he said, "but I'm not going to win it. They give it to [Rodriguez] one year, even though his team was in last place, so now they can't play that BS anymore, just because your team didn't make it. They gave it to Alex that year because of his numbers. But they always have a reason to vote for whatever, so that's why I don't worry about it."

Source: ESPN

Is this a joke or what!?

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Well, I'm sure he believes it. Personally, I think that Ortiz has proved himself THE clutch hitter of the year. How many games would Boston have lost if it wasn't for a 9th inning homer from Big Papi? Aside from that? I don't know. I'm not diminishing his talent. He's a great ballplayer. But I have to agree with the theory that a player who is "only" a DH, but who has similar numbers to one who plays both offense and defense, will lose out for MVP.

Jeter is having a great season. I believe this is his year.


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Hopefully so, SB. I'm REALLY rooting for Jeter but upon looking at his career statistics, this hasn't been his big year in the bigs. Check out his stats from the 1999 season

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Ortiz is one of the most clutch hitters in baseball. Arguably the biggest batting threat in the AL.

But I still refuse to accept a DH as the Most Valuable Player - baseball is a 2-way game, played on offense and defense, at least in my humble opinion.



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DJ, since when have you been humble?? I happen to agree with you wholeheartedly. There was an article about this being Jeter's year for MVP in my local paper. They referenced other seasons that he's had, and compared his getting MVP this season to Pacino winning the Oscar for Scent of a Woman, saying that although we loved the Colonel, he was no Michael Corleone.


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It doesn't matter how much you've done for your ball club, the bottom line is, the guy who hits 40 home runs and knocks in 100, that's the guy you know helped your team win games.
This is ridiculous!



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Wow Babe, local NY papers pushing Jeter for MVP. Wow! Will wonders ever cease? :rolleyes:

Anyway, you Yankees fans are silly. If you had an MVP-candidate at DH, you all would be pushing him like insane monkeys during mating season, or the bored chimps at the local zoo when they grab a handful of feces and throw at the tourists.

Again, Jeter is a worthy MVP candidate. I mean why not?

In fact, the reason why I can't support Ortiz for MVP is that the Red Sox are out of the contention for the East, and WC? Very doubtful.

Call me old-fashion, but "Most Valuable Player" to me means a player instrumental in making one's clubhouse be one of only 4 clubs of an entire league to make the playoffs.

In that rationality, Jeter is more worthy of MVP than Ortiz.

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[quote]Originally posted by Irishman12:
[b]It doesn't matter how much you've done for your ball club, the bottom line is, the guy who hits 40 home runs and knocks in 100, that's the guy you know helped your team win games.
This is ridiculous! [/b][/quote]I agree. I can't believe Ortiz would be dumb enough to say all of this stupid sh*t. Sure he's had a great year and is the most clutch hitter in the game, I'll give him that. But I agree with DJ, I just don't accept a DH as much as a position player because of their work in the field.

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In fact, the reason why I can't support Ortiz for MVP is that the Red Sox are out of the contention for the East, and WC? Very doubtful.

Call me old-fashion, but "Most Valuable Player" to me means a player instrumental in making one's clubhouse be one of only 4 clubs of an entire league to make the playoffs.

In that rationality, Jeter is more worthy of MVP than Ortiz.
However, I will agree with Ortiz in that A-Rod was voted MVP while Texas sat comfortablly in last place, although Alex is a position player.

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I really don't care if a DH wins -- he just needs to be THE MOST VALUABLE PLAYER. Period. Who cares if he plays in the field or not, if he was THE MOST valuable player.

But what's that even mean anymore? Most homers and RBI? Most production in general, regardless of how the team ends up? Most instrumental in his team's success?

Did Ortiz put up bigger numbers than Jeter? Sure, many do, outside of AVG. But was Ortiz valuable enough to help his team get to the post season? No... at least not yet. Is Jeter an instrumental part of the Yanks reaching post season play? Absolutely. But so are others on other successful teams.

So Ortiz needs to STFU and stop embarrassing himself and his team by making such idiotic comments. Altho I do NOT think A-Rod deserved it that year with Texas; that was ridiculous, and I don't think they should make that mistake again.



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Your points are valid Geoff. I can see the problem from both sides. To me, I wouldn't vote for a DH because they don't play the field. They don't have to worry about fatigue and getting injuried while playing the field like A-Rod, Jeter, etc. do. I can't image how those guys played days games at the Stadium in 100+ degree weather last month. That sets into a player come the 6th, 7th and 8th innings if they're physically drained.

However, I do also see Ortiz's point. To only be a DH, you have one job, hit the ball. Sounds simple enough but when you are "required" to do it all the time because you are the automatic DH player, it can put a lot of pressure on the hitter (which Ortiz has brushed off time and time again). As I said in my previous post Ortiz is Mr. Clutch (pitchers/teams should realize they SHOULDN'T pitch to him anymore, because how many game winning hits/home runs did he have this season?). Ortiz has done his job extremely well and he has the best power numbers in the AL, but as you also said, he hasn't been instrumental in Boston making the postseason (thus far).

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I think Ortiz belittled himself a bit in campaigning for the MVP. That said, I wouldn't necessarily eliminate a DH from MVP contention even though I oppose the DH. Don Baylor won an MVP as a DH, so there is precedent.

Ortiz does deserve consideration, not only in the big numbers he's put up, but the numerous ninth inning heroics. I would lean, however, to Jermaine Dye right now for AL MVP.

You guys have raised some interesting MVP points. It is often said that preference should be given to players whose teams make the play-offs or compete late in the season for post-season; the point being that these players put up their numbers in "meaningful" games. I would suggest then that if this is so, then conversely the fact that the Mets are so far in front should weaken MVP arguments for Beltran. Certainly, the Mets would hold a comfortable lead with an average center fielder. Moreover, it could be said that the Mets' games from August on have not been that meaningful.

I would give the NL MVP nod to Ryan Howard, who took over the Phillies after they dealt Lidle, Abreu, Cormier, Franklin and Bell at the deadline and almost single handedly transformed them from a floundering club to a play-off contender. Plus, his numbers aren't too shabby.

Anyway, I've never been completely comfortable in penalizing great players in the balancing act between impressive statistics and overall team success.

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Klydon1, I agree I think Ryan Howard should (and probably will) win the NL MVP. A case can be made for Beltran, but as you pointed out, Howard has turned that team around single-handedly.

What about the Cy Young's for each league? I would have given it to Moose early on but he's had some setbacks during the 2nd half of the season. I'd nominate Wang but I'm not sure how many others would follow suit. More than likely, Santana from Minnesota will win it again and as for the NL, maybe Chris Carpenter for the Cards

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Jeter to Ortiz: Yanks have \'something to play for\'

Success is apparently its own reward for New York Yankees shortstop Derek Jeter.

When asked about Boston Red Sox DH David Ortiz's grousing about his chances to be the American League MVP, Jeter noted the Yankees still have "something to play for."

In comments published Monday, Ortiz said the Red Sox's free-fall from the AL playoff race should not affect his MVP candidacy with voters, and compared his own performance to Jeter, whose MVP stock rose as the Yankees took command of the AL East. New York led Boston by 10½ games on Tuesday.

"Don't get me wrong -- he's a great player, having a great season, but he's got a lot of guys in that lineup," Ortiz said of Jeter. "Top to bottom, you've got a guy who can hurt you. Come hit in this lineup, see how good you can be."

To that, Jeter replied "I don't have to do it in his lineup."

"I'm not thinking about the MVP right now," he told reporters Monday. "We're thinking about winning a division. We've still got something to play for."

He then added, "No one here's focused on individual awards."

Yankees center fielder Johnny Damon said Ortiz's comments didn't sound like the Big Papi he played with for three seasons in Boston.

"It doesn't sound like Ortiz," Damon told reporters. "I can't believe he would say something like that."

Damon said he thought Ortiz was a "shoo-in" for MVP last season, but lost out to Alex Rodriguez last year because being a DH hurt him with the voters.



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Re: How bout them Yankees!? #258580
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What about the Cy Young's for each league? I would have given it to Moose early on but he's had some setbacks during the 2nd half of the season. I'd nominate Wang but I'm not sure how many others would follow suit. More than likely, Santana from Minnesota will win it again and as for the NL, maybe Chris Carpenter for the Cards
I agree that it looks like Santana over Halladay and Carpenter over Webb.

Re: How bout them Yankees!? #258581
09/12/06 08:46 PM
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The Yankees are winning 12-0 in the 4th against Tampa. Right now the bases are loaded, and Abreu is up. Although it's early, I think that they may just win this one.


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Re: How bout them Yankees!? #258582
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My vote for NL MVP is Ryan Howard. Even if the Phillies barely squeak themselves out of the Wildcard clinch, Howard fucking turned a demoralized clubhouse and city, and actually made the friggin Phillies.....you know....contenders.

THAT is MVP street cred.

Re: How bout them Yankees!? #258583
09/13/06 01:52 AM
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Abreu has 7 RBI's on the night, Matsui goes 4-for-4 and Moose pitches 5 1/3 shut out innings with 5 SO. Not to mention, "the Met's victory (over Florida) eliminated the Braves from the NL East race, ending their record run of 14 straight division titles." Can it get any better than this!?

Re: How bout them Yankees!? #258584
09/13/06 02:13 AM
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Quote:
Originally posted by Irishman12:
"the Met's victory (over Florida) eliminated the Braves from the NL East race, ending their record run of 14 straight division titles." Can it get any better than this!?
Sure... I'd rather the Mutts have LOST. NYY should have a better W-L record!! :p



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Re: How bout them Yankees!? #258585
09/13/06 02:22 AM
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I don't hate the Mets (in fact, they're my 2nd favorite team). But I absolutely LOATH the Braves

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