Well, it gets to be a whole new world when you have a team that puts men on the bases before you get up to bat. If you didn't have the guys already on base he wouldn't get the RBIs or they wouldn't have to pitch to him so well, but the rest of the lineup is tuff too.

i have always considered the rbi to be pretty arbitrary too. but u gotta be clutch and knock those guys in when you have the chance.

and again, he is considered the best 3-2 hitter ever.

.343 and 34 SB who else did that this yr?

Justin Morneau. .321 34 HR 130 RBI

I like what Jeter does and this was perhaps his finest season. While I am not one who believes he is overrated and that his value can not be adequately assessed by statistics, I think his offensive numbers get a bump from having A-Rod, Abreu and Giambi hitting behind him. Frankly, he, Damon and Cano get better pitches to hit throughout the year.

Morneau had more combined runs/RBI than Jeter and played on a team that had far fewer runs. The 20 hr difference between them is far greater than the .022 difference in batting average. He had a bigger impact on getting the Twins to the play-offs than Jeter had for the Yankees.

I would rate them for AL MVP: 1. Morneau; 2. Jeter; 3. Dye: 4. Ortiz; and 5. Thomas

In the NL I rate the MVP race as 1. Howard; 2. Pujols; 3. Beltran; 4. Cabrera; and 5. Utley

This isn't a crack on Jeter, but rather the playoff system. He has the most hits (147 I believe) in the postseason. Why? Because there are more playoff games now in the era Jeter plays in than Ruth, Mantle, Ty Cobb, etc. There was no wild card until 1995, which is an extra 5 games. And if I'm not mistaken, the league championship series were shorter than they are now.

Having said all that still does not take away Jeter's accomplishments.

This isn't a crack on Jeter, but rather the playoff system. He has the most hits (147 I believe) in the postseason. Why? Because there are more playoff games now in the era Jeter plays in than Ruth, Mantle, Ty Cobb, etc. There was no wild card until 1995, which is an extra 5 games. And if I'm not mistaken, the league championship series were shorter than they are now.

Having said all that still does not take away Jeter's accomplishments. [/b][/quote]The same is said about Bernie Williams whom I believe owns the most career postseason home runs (although I'm not sure what the number is).

Justin Morneau. .321 34 HR 130 RBI

I like what Jeter does and this was perhaps his finest season. While I am not one who believes he is overrated and that his value can not be adequately assessed by statistics, I think his offensive numbers get a bump from having A-Rod, Abreu and Giambi hitting behind him. Frankly, he, Damon and Cano get better pitches to hit throughout the year.

Morneau had more combined runs/RBI than Jeter and played on a team that had far fewer runs. The 20 hr difference between them is far greater than the .022 difference in batting average. He had a bigger impact on getting the Twins to the play-offs than Jeter had for the Yankees.

I would rate them for AL MVP: 1. Morneau; 2. Jeter; 3. Dye: 4. Ortiz; and 5. Thomas

In the NL I rate the MVP race as 1. Howard; 2. Pujols; 3. Beltran; 4. Cabrera; and 5. Utley [/b][/quote]Morneau may have been the batting champion, but how does his defense compare to Jeter? Barring injury, Jeter plays every day. A catcher must be rested.

Furthermore, if we're going by how good the team around them is, you could argue the pitching in Minnesota was better and more consistent with Santana and Liriano versus Wang, et al.

Sure, Morneau plays on a team with less "stars," and I'm not saying he shouldn't be a candidate for the MVP, but Jeter had an awesome year that stands out among an entire team of great talent. Furthermore, let's wait and see which team gets farther in the playoffs...Jeter is already having an amazing postseason after just one game (1.000 BA, 5 hits, 2 doubles, a homerun, and an RBI) while Morneau is not off to a great start (0-4 .000 BA, 0 RBI's, etc.).

Granted, its one game, so its pretty unfair. But one started like a sparkplug, the other a dud. So let's see which team makes it further, and then decide who is more valuable.

When does a rain delay become a cancellation?

It's just postponed 'til tomorrow afternoon - they didn't wanna take chances not being able to complete the came tonight...

Damn!! Does this mean that they play a double-header in Detroit?

See what happens when you screw around with the Yankee avatar.

Tomorrow was a travel day - it'll be at Yankee Stadium before they head to Detroit for Friday's game. You don't know the Yanks' schedule?? Bad girl! :p

Tomorrow was a travel day - it'll be at Yankee Stadium before they head to Detroit for Friday's game. You don't know the Yanks' schedule?? Bad girl! :p [/b][/quote]she's a very bad girl.

I think hell has a better chance of getting some flurries than MLB playing a doubleheader in the playoffs. A doubleheader wouldn't be able to generate as much TV revenue to satisfy Bud Selig.

Justin Morneau. .321 34 HR 130 RBI

I like what Jeter does and this was perhaps his finest season. While I am not one who believes he is overrated and that his value can not be adequately assessed by statistics, I think his offensive numbers get a bump from having A-Rod, Abreu and Giambi hitting behind him. Frankly, he, Damon and Cano get better pitches to hit throughout the year.

Morneau had more combined runs/RBI than Jeter and played on a team that had far fewer runs. The 20 hr difference between them is far greater than the .022 difference in batting average. He had a bigger impact on getting the Twins to the play-offs than Jeter had for the Yankees.

I would rate them for AL MVP: 1. Morneau; 2. Jeter; 3. Dye: 4. Ortiz; and 5. Thomas

In the NL I rate the MVP race as 1. Howard; 2. Pujols; 3. Beltran; 4. Cabrera; and 5. Utley [/b][/quote]Morneau may have been the batting champion, but how does his defense compare to Jeter? Barring injury, Jeter plays every day. A catcher must be rested.

Furthermore, if we're going by how good the team around them is, you could argue the pitching in Minnesota was better and more consistent with Santana and Liriano versus Wang, et al.

Sure, Morneau plays on a team with less "stars," and I'm not saying he shouldn't be a candidate for the MVP, but Jeter had an awesome year that stands out among an entire team of great talent. Furthermore, let's wait and see which team gets farther in the playoffs...Jeter is already having an amazing postseason after just one game (1.000 BA, 5 hits, 2 doubles, a homerun, and an RBI) while Morneau is not off to a great start (0-4 .000 BA, 0 RBI's, etc.).

Granted, its one game, so its pretty unfair. But one started like a sparkplug, the other a dud. So let's see which team makes it further, and then decide who is more valuable. [/b][/quote]It's Morneau. Justin Morneau. He's not a catcher. He plays first base. You're thinking of Mauer.

Sure, both Morneau and Jeter played defensively well enough and I'll grant that Jeter plays a more demanding position, but MVPs are awarded by and large for offensive production. While defense is considered, show me an MVP that won it for his glove.

I don't see the relevance of the team pitching comparisons. What I'm saying is that Morneau had a greater impact in getting his team to the post-season than did Jeter. I agree that Jeter had an awesome year. But , I believe Morneau, despite the fact that he doesn't get nearly the same hype as Jeter, was more valuable.

By the way, Post-season performance is not factored into the League MVP considerations. Never has been. There are LCS and WS MVPs for that. But even at that, Morneau was 2 for 4 with a homer yesterday.

Well, thank goodness they had a travel day! So far, no score, bottom of the first, 2 men on, 2 outs, Giambi's up and the count is 3 and 1. Giambi has one of the best eyes in baseball.

Oh, my!! Giambi walked. Bases are loaded. Guess who is up at bat?? ARod. C'mon, Alex. This is your moment to shine!!

Edited to add: ARod struck out. I'm shocked.

Come on, Are you really that shocked?

Thanks for keeping us posted on the score!

Well, now it's the bottom of the 4th and the score is 1-0, Tigers. 1 man on, one out, Posada's up, count is 2-2. C'mon Georgie!!

DAMON 3-run HR!!! (3-1 NYY bottom 4th)

I was just saying to myself right when Johnny came up "come on, you burned us before, now burn them" and the first pitch he crushes for a 3-run home run!

Come on, Are you really that shocked?[/b][/quote]No, because ESPN showed Alex's postseason numbers since becoming a Yankee (through 10 games he's batting like .130)

That was a great shot by Damon! However, the Tigers have now made it 3-2.

You should've called him Alexis -- see, it's all your fault!! :p

Oh, he's up again now - now your chance!!

Edit: Shit, even that didn't work.

Come on, Are you really that shocked?[/b][/quote]No, because ESPN showed Alex's postseason numbers since becoming a Yankee (through 10 games he's batting like .130) [/b][/quote]I know, that is what I was thinking. It is a shame, a real shame.

ouch, all tied up.....

another arod strikeout in the 8th. ouch!

In 11 postseason games as a Yankee, .128 AVG, 1 HR, 2 RBI

In 11 postseason games as a Yankee, .128 AVG, 1 HR, 2 RBI [/b][/quote]yes, but how many guys did he leave on base?

In 11 postseason games as a Yankee, .128 AVG, 1 HR, 2 RBI [/b][/quote]What was his post-season numbers with Seattle? I don't recall anything outstanding although it was quite a while ago.

I can't believe that they did not try to bunt cabrera over and get him into scoring position in the 9th with 0 outs.