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Re: How bout them Yankees!?
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10/08/06 09:26 AM
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My personal feelings on the whole situation: - On A-Rod: So, A-Rod had a .071 average. I'm not going to defend him anymore. He cannot handle being in New York, he has lost his ability to be clutch, and he didn't come up big when the team needed him to. Then again, neither did anyone else. I say move him in the offseason - rumours abound from being traded to Florida for Dontrelle Willis (yes) to even Los Angeles either to the Dodgers or the Angels. Make the deal. Find a way around his no-trade clause.
- On the Yankees Lineup: With the exceptions of the first three hitters (Damon, Jeter, and Abreu), the Murderer's Row + Cano looked like a poorly coached Little League team. Granted, I think that the Yankees got a terrible strike zone throughout this series, and some questionable calls on the basepaths, but irregardless, this lineup died. Save for the aforementioned first three, too many Yankees had no strategy at the plate - nobody tried smallball, everyone tried to swing for the fences, and it was an exercise in futility. Which brings me to my next point...
- Joe Torre: Fire him. Yes. I said it. I've defended him numerous times in threads here, I think he's one of the best managers of all-time, but he doesn't have "it" anymore. Throughout the season I have questioned his decisions regarding leaving pitchers in, and his lineup. I would have benched A-Rod after Game 2 of this series, and played Sheffield @ 3rd. Could it have been any worse? Furthermore, this team, as abovementioned, had no strategy at the plate. No one tried smallball, line-drives, hit-and-runs, it was all swinging with flaccid penises towards the fences which made easy 1-2-3 innings for the Tigers pitchers, making Jim Leyland look like a genius. This team had no fire...questionable calls from umpires weren't challenged, there wasn't any direction from Torre. I understand he is one of the more passive managers in the league, but he was watching his ship sink yesterday with his normal smirk from the bench. The Yankees deserved to lose because none of them played like they wanted to win. An example of a team going through the motions.
- On the Managerial Prospects: Bringing in Lou Piniella would be a mistake. He did nothing with the Devil Rays, and granted, they were a bad team, but he is not necessarily what the Yankees need for a head coach. I grant you that we need a less-passive manager, someone with fire to light these players up and just as much bench them when they play poorly. If I were Steinbrenner, I'd promote Lee Mazzilli to head coach; he has shown that he's got some balls in the past and is willing to light a fire under his players. Mattingly would be a decent choice, but I don't feel he is ready to coach. I don't want that asshole Buck Showalter who just lost his job with the Texans. I say, promote from within - let Mazzilli handle the team. Pena and Bowa are also excellent managers with experience, far better candidates than anyone else out there. I'd even like to see Joe Girardi come back, though I'm not sure whether I'd move him to manager.
- On the Offseason: The Yankees can either pay Jaret Wright $4 million to go away or $7 million to stay. Let's give him his walking papers. Trade A-Rod, get a solid starting pitcher. Re-sign Mussina. Move Matsui to the DH position, play Melky Cabrera in LF. Giambi is the everyday 1st baseman. Get rid of Carl Pavano. Get rid of Randy Johnson. Promote Philip Hughes from the minors. Sign Daisuke Matsuzaka from the Seibu Lions. Try to keep Bernie and Sheffield, if possible, but don't object to losing Sheffield. Consider moving Giambi for a better fielding first baseman, possibly in trade with A-Rod (A-Rod + Giambi for Pujols? Obviously fantasy, but still...)
Yankees lineup could look like this: + Trade/FA Starting PitchingChien-Ming Wang Daisuke Matsuzaka + Mike Mussina Philip Hughes Dontrelle Willis + Defense1st Base: Albert Pujols + 2nd Base: Robinson Cano 3rd Base: ? Shortstop: Derek Jeter Left Field: Melky Cabrera Center Field: Johnny Damon Right Field: Bobby Abreu Designated Hitter: Hideki Matsui
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Re: How bout them Yankees!?
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10/08/06 10:48 AM
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If Steinbrenner fires Torre, a manager who won 4 titles in a 5 year span, then say hello to mediocrity. It's not Joe's fault that A-Rod chokes in the playoffs and can't field his position; it's not Joe's fault that Randy Johnson is on the last legs of his career; it's not the manager's fault that Giambi isn't the same player because he is no longer juiced up; Torre didn't sign a hack like Jaret Wright to a 4 year deal. Nearly all of the Yankees shortcoming can be attributed to a meddling owner who thinks he can 3 things: owner, GM, and manager. Go for it, a-hole.
As a Yankee hater, I hope that Steinbrenner does make this move. But he would be an absolute fool to do so.
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Re: How bout them Yankees!?
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10/08/06 11:23 AM
10/08/06 11:23 AM
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Originally posted by goombah:
If Steinbrenner fires Torre, a manager who won 4 titles in a 5 year span, then say hello to mediocrity. It's not Joe's fault that A-Rod chokes in the playoffs and can't field his position; it's not Joe's fault that Randy Johnson is on the last legs of his career; it's not the manager's fault that Giambi isn't the same player because he is no longer juiced up; Torre didn't sign a hack like Jaret Wright to a 4 year deal. Nearly all of the Yankees shortcoming can be attributed to a meddling owner who thinks he can 3 things: owner, GM, and manager. Go for it, a-hole.
As a Yankee hater, I hope that Steinbrenner does make this move. But he would be an absolute fool to do so. And yet, with a team full of all-stars, the Yankees failed to get past the first round, and not the first time either. Time for a change.
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Re: How bout them Yankees!?
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10/08/06 01:24 PM
10/08/06 01:24 PM
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J Geoff
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STEINBRENNER:
Hey, come on over here with me; I wanna show you something really useless. You do appreciate uselessness, don't you?
(then)
There you are, $250,000,000 on Third Base. I bet a Russian Czar never paid that kind of dough for a single ballplayer.
(then, looking toward Third)
A-Rod. A-Rod...
(then)
I'm not gonna trade him, though. He's such a stud.
I studied Italian for 2 semesters. Not once was a "C" pronounced as a "G", and never was a trailing "I" ignored! And I'm from Jersey!  lol Whaddaya want me to do? Whack a guy? Off a guy? Whack off a guy? --Peter Griffin My DVDs | Facebook | Godfather Filming Locations
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Re: How bout them Yankees!?
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10/08/06 01:39 PM
10/08/06 01:39 PM
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WTF do Yank fans still cling to that non-sense about him being traded to Florida?
The Marlins' owner is a cheap-bastard. If he wasn't willing to re-sign Pudge Rodriguez, who thinks he would pony up, no matter how much the Yankees eat up, to pay for such an expensive white horse like A-Rod. Really Irishman, get your head out of the gutter.
I'm not surprised that "George" will fire/force Torre out of the job.
One thing I'll criticize baseball fans when they say that anyone could win with a $200 million payroll....if so, how come the Red Sox missed this year's playoffs? Why did the Dodgers miss the playoffs for many seasons despite being over $100 million? Chicago White Sox anyone?
Besides, in a time when parity has come into baseball's Championships, we haven't had repeat champs since that 4 titles out of 5 seasons by....Torre's Yankees. I mean, to simply throw away the fact that he and his staff pulled that feat off in the last 10 years, is incredible to fanthom...much less three titles in a row.
"Several Yankees players told MLB.com that they would be surprised to see Torre go.
"That's pretty drastic," outfielder Johnny Damon was quoted as saying by the Web site. "Joe has been awesome. You never know what's going to happen, but I think Joe should be safe. For all he's done and had to put up with, he's been incredible."
Cashman dismissed the idea of either Torre or Rodriguez leaving, telling MLB.com, "Why wouldn't they be coming back? That's not something that I'm even thinking about." "
Besides, Pinella is a bad fit for the Yankees. He's never gotten along with management, and I see that he would last only a season with George before Papa George fires him. Torre's best ability to stay for 11 years with the Yankees
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Re: How bout them Yankees!?
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10/08/06 02:23 PM
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Double J, I agree with most of your analysis, except for the part about Joe Torre. I have defended ARod in the past, but there are some players that just can't handle the heat of being in NY. It's a damn tough town to play in, and some are made for it and some are just not. What has the team really gained by having him? Nothing I can really think of, aside from having Cano at 2nd base.
A team needs 3 decent starting pitchers, which with Wang, Mussina, we're 2/3 of the way there. I would say we need decent relief pitching, but Proctor and Villone were so overworked this season that it's hard to say what their true capabilities are.
I say keep Joe, dump Pavano and Johnson, I think Wright will be OK, and get ARod and his thick head out of there. I think one of Joe's mistakes was taking out Melky Cabrera. If he wasn't playing Giambi, why not move Matsui to DH, and put Melky in? He was a big part of the team that won all season, and I think Melky and Cano brought a youthful energy to the team that was missing.
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Re: How bout them Yankees!?
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10/08/06 02:29 PM
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I can't believe the venom some of you are exhibiting toward Torre. Be careful what you wish for. Lou Pinella has one title to his credit - 16 years ago on an improbable Reds team that had pitchers who got hot when it mattered. It was one of the biggest WS upsets in the past 50 years. His biggest accomplishment in Seattle was winning 2 ALCS games vs. Cleveland in 1995. With a team that equaled the AL record in wins during the 2001 season, he couldn't even get Seattle to the World Series. That is utterly pathetic. Why some of you think Pinella can make A-Rod, Johnson, Mussina, Damon, and other underachievers on that roster play better is beyond me.
Then look at his disatrous stint in Tampa Bay. If you thought he melted under pressure in Tampa, what the hell would one expect under the intensity and microscope of the NY media? This guy will have more temper tantrums than a 3 year old. Throw in a meddlesome owner and there are all the makings of a daily soap opera.
Don't think one of NY's rivals wouldn't snatch up Torre in a second.
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Re: How bout them Yankees!?
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10/08/06 02:29 PM
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Originally posted by Don Smitty:
JOE MUST GO ..... bring on Sweet Lou! : Year League Team Age G W L WP Finish
+----+-----------+--------+---+-----+----+----+------+------+
1986 AL East NewYorkY 42 162 90 72 .556 2
1987 AL East NewYorkY 43 162 89 73 .549 4
1988 AL East NewYorkY 44 93 45 48 .484 5
1990 NL West Cincnnti 46 162 91 71 .562 WS 1
1991 NL West Cincnnti 47 162 74 88 .457 5
1992 NL West Cincnnti 48 162 90 72 .556 2
1993 AL West Seattle 49 162 82 80 .506 4
1994 AL West Seattle 50 112 49 63 .438 3
1995 AL West Seattle 51 145 79 66 .545 1
1996 AL West Seattle 52 161 85 76 .528 2
1997 AL West Seattle 53 162 90 72 .556 1
1998 AL West Seattle 54 161 76 85 .472 3
1999 AL West Seattle 55 162 79 83 .488 3
2000 AL West Seattle 56 162 91 71 .562 2
2001 AL West Seattle 57 162 116 46 .716 1
2002 AL West Seattle 58 162 93 69 .574 3
2003 AL East TampaBay 59 162 63 99 .389 5
2004 AL East TampaBay 60 161 70 91 .435 4
2005 AL East TampaBay 61 162 67 95 .414 5
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Cincnnti 486 255 231 .525
NewYorkY 417 224 193 .537
Seattle 1551 840 711 .542
TampaBay 485 200 285 .412
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TOTAL 2939 1519 1420 .517 : Year League Team Age G W L WP Finish
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1977 NL East NewYorkM 36 117 49 68 .419 6 Player/Manager
1978 NL East NewYorkM 37 162 66 96 .407 6
1979 NL East NewYorkM 38 163 63 99 .389 6
1980 NL East NewYorkM 39 162 67 95 .414 5
1981 NL East NewYorkM 40 52 17 34 .333 5 First half of season
1981 NL East NewYorkM 40 53 24 28 .462 4 Second half of season
1982 NL West Atlanta 41 162 89 73 .549 1
1983 NL West Atlanta 42 162 88 74 .543 2
1984 NL West Atlanta 43 162 80 82 .494 3
1990 NL East St.Louis 49 58 24 34 .414 6
1991 NL East St.Louis 50 162 84 78 .519 2
1992 NL East St.Louis 51 162 83 79 .512 3
1993 NL East St.Louis 52 162 87 75 .537 3
1994 NL Cent St.Louis 53 115 53 61 .465 3
1995 NL Cent St.Louis 54 47 20 27 .426 4
1996 AL East NewYorkY 55 162 92 70 .568 WS 1
1997 AL East NewYorkY 56 162 96 66 .593 2
1998 AL East NewYorkY 57 162 114 48 .704 WS 1
1999 AL East NewYorkY 58 162 98 64 .605 WS 1
2000 AL East NewYorkY 59 161 87 74 .540 WS 1
2001 AL East NewYorkY 60 161 95 65 .594 AL 1
2002 AL East NewYorkY 61 161 103 58 .640 1
2003 AL East NewYorkY 62 163 101 61 .623 AL 1
2004 AL East NewYorkY 63 162 101 61 .623 1
2005 AL East NewYorkY 64 162 95 67 .586 1
2006 AL East NewYorkY 65 162 97 65 .599 1
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Atlanta 486 257 229 .529
NewYorkM 709 286 420 .405
NewYorkY 1780 1079 699 .607
St.Louis 706 351 354 .498
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TOTAL 3681 1973 1702 .537See that .607 winning percentage w/ the Yanks? How'd Lou do? And look at 1996 on -- 1st every year except one. Torre did HIS job; but did his team? Not really...
I studied Italian for 2 semesters. Not once was a "C" pronounced as a "G", and never was a trailing "I" ignored! And I'm from Jersey! lol Whaddaya want me to do? Whack a guy? Off a guy? Whack off a guy? --Peter Griffin My DVDs | Facebook | Godfather Filming Locations
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Re: How bout them Yankees!?
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10/08/06 06:40 PM
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Originally posted by goombah:
...As a Yankee hater, I hope that Steinbrenner does make this move. But he would be an absolute fool to do so. You know, goombah...except for the 'Yankee hater' part, I sort of agree with you. Steinbrenner wants a change. He is apparently no longer with what Torre has brought him since 1995. Let him have Lou, and let him see how many AL East Titles, AL Pennants, and WS Championships Mr. Pinella can bring him over the next 11 years. Perhaps Joe Torre would benefit from the change as well. Apple
A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government.
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Re: How bout them Yankees!?
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10/09/06 12:13 AM
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If Joe Torre is fired it would be just another typical move that that meddlesome idiotic fool Steinbrenner would make. As much as I hate the yankees, and I hate them so much I'd love to see them finish every single season from here on out 0-162(hey a guy can dream can't he.  ) Getting rid of Torre is not the answer. Neither is getting rid of A-rod, yeah he hasn't done sh*t during the postseason. But hell he's just one guy, if one guy is in a slump then it's time that the other players take their game to the next level. And during the past 2 postseasons A-rod's fellow yankees haven't done that.
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Re: How bout them Yankees!?
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10/09/06 10:13 AM
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Why they lost?
It's not Torre. I guess George realizes that $202 million doesn't buy what it used to.
The Yankees won championships in the 90's by virtue of a team they built when Steinbrenner was kicked out of baseball. Jeter, Pettite, Posada and Williams. Guys like O'Neill, Martines and Brosius, who never sought the limelight but knew the value of playing hard as a team every game, were added.
George returned and he eventually is attracted by big names, self promoters and prima donnas, who were portrayed as stars, but never won anything: Giambi, Mussina, A-Rod, and most recently Abreu. Plus, Sheffield, the antithesis of the Yankee of the late-90's, has been a complainer and whiner wherever he's been. And Johnson was just too old.
A great assembly of individual talent? You bet.
A great team? Hardly.
Anyway, it's good that we don't have to listen to the garbage about the greatest hitting lineup anymore.
Fire Torre? Bring in Piniella to scream and rant to motivate the boys. If $200 million doesn't motivate them, a funny looking clown, who kicks dirt and rips bases from the field, isn't going to do it.
By the way, the biggest reason Detroit won- and I haven't seen it mentioned- was that they completely removed the Yankees' biggest asset from the series: Rivera.
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Re: How bout them Yankees!?
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10/09/06 11:56 AM
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So now that the Yanks have lost when will this thread cease to continue?
Business bad? Fuck you, pay me. Oh, you had a fire? Fuck you, pay me. Place got hit by lightning huh? Fuck you, pay me.
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Re: How bout them Yankees!?
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10/09/06 01:18 PM
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Originally posted by The Iceman: If Joe Torre is fired it would be just another typical move that that meddlesome idiotic fool Steinbrenner would make.
As much as I hate the yankees, and I hate them so much I'd love to see them finish every single season from here on out 0-162(hey a guy can dream can't he. ) Getting rid of Torre is not the answer.
Neither is getting rid of A-rod, yeah he hasn't done sh*t during the postseason. But hell he's just one guy, if one guy is in a slump then it's time that the other players take their game to the next level. And during the past 2 postseasons A-rod's fellow yankees haven't done that. if Yoda was called to give his opinion on the Yankees, that's what he'd say. that's absolutely 100% right, in my humble opinion. if there is a reason for the Yankees not being able to win a WS title even with a team that shouldn't even be allowed to play, the reason is George Steinbrennet. don't anyone else feel like every decent pitcher in the MLB of the late 90's has already played 2 poor seasons with the Yankees before getting kicked in the ass? every promising young player, every talented hitter, every pitcher, they're always buying, selling for 1/3 of what they paid for, changing the staff and it leads to nowhere.
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Re: How bout them Yankees!?
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10/09/06 07:32 PM
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Originally posted by goombah:
I can't believe the venom some of you are exhibiting toward Torre. Be careful what you wish for. Lou Pinella has one title to his credit - 16 years ago on an improbable Reds team that had pitchers who got hot when it mattered. It was one of the biggest WS upsets in the past 50 years. His biggest accomplishment in Seattle was winning 2 ALCS games vs. Cleveland in 1995. With a team that equaled the AL record in wins during the 2001 season, he couldn't even get Seattle to the World Series. That is utterly pathetic. Why some of you think Pinella can make A-Rod, Johnson, Mussina, Damon, and other underachievers on that roster play better is beyond me.
Then look at his disatrous stint in Tampa Bay. If you thought he melted under pressure in Tampa, what the hell would one expect under the intensity and microscope of the NY media? This guy will have more temper tantrums than a 3 year old. Throw in a meddlesome owner and there are all the makings of a daily soap opera.
Don't think one of NY's rivals wouldn't snatch up Torre in a second. I agree that Piniella is the worst possible choice right now to replace Torre. However, I think a change must be made.
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Re: How bout them Yankees!?
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10/10/06 12:38 PM
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Originally posted by Irishman12: I really cannot belive the amount of members in here who wish to see Torre gone from the Yankees. Glad to see where your loyalties lie (that is, for you few Yankees fans in here)  What more did you want the man to do other than beat Detroit? He can't get on the field and do it for them!  No, but he can try to prepare and motivate his players, which he didn't do. The team was going through the motions, and had no will, no fire to win. And that I do blame the manager for. The Yankees, since they are keeping Torre it seems (according to the NY Post), now need to focus on trading A-Rod and getting their starting pitching in order, as well as figuring out the 1st base situation. BTW - Anyone read yesterday's USA Today? Glad to see Sheff and Giambi throw Torre under the bus, saying that because he demoted A-Rod in the order they felt bad and it ruined the team chemistry. Wow, get out on the field, you fucking tards. Sheffield decided to have surgery since he knew he wasn't probably coming back next year and basically abandoned the team for most of the season, and Giambi is a steriod-head who we should move while we can still get good trade value for him. And let's not get indignant, I12...don't act as if you've been standing behind every Yankee decision this entire season, and we've been bastardizing this thread.
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Re: How bout them Yankees!?
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10/10/06 01:08 PM
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Torre should NOT be fired. He has brought the team to the world series 6 times, winning 4 of them. And he's brought his team into the playoffs every year that he's been there. 11 years I believe. The man was in a NO WIN situation this year. Had he sat Matsui and Sheff, and the Yankees would have lost, they'd be calling for his head. So he played Sheff and Matsui, and they lost, and they are calling for his head anyway. My beef with Torre is that he does NOT manage small ball. He sits back and relies on the long ball everytime he has runners on base. He needs to manufacture runs once in a while instead of always relying on the longball. He needs a Don Zimmer type bench coach back by his side. The bench is dead. Watching those games, whenever the camera would scan the dugout, you'd see everyone just sitting there. No spunk, no commoraderie and absolutely no hunger. It surprises me that some of the Yankee fans and sports writers are so bitter about the team getting knocked off that they've even went as far as blaming Derek Jeter for not supporting Arod!! That's outrageous! 11 trips to the playoffs, 6 times in the World Series walking away with 4 of those 6 world series titles under Torre!!! Spoiled fans. That's exactly what many, not all, but many Yankee fans are. Spoiled. They tell me that Willie Randolph is going to bring the Mets to the playoffs for the next ten years with six trips into the world series, I sign the contract now. Don Cardi 
Don Cardi Five - ten years from now, they're gonna wish there was American Cosa Nostra. Five - ten years from now, they're gonna miss John Gotti.
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Re: How bout them Yankees!?
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10/10/06 01:26 PM
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When reading this thread and all this talk about Arod and the Yankees, I recalled someone from these boards once saying that Arod would not improve the team that much. So I did an 'Arod a Yankee' search and found that post : I can't see A. Rod making a difference. If the pitching doesn't hold up the Yanks won't win. If it does, they'd win without A. Rod.
That post was made by our very own Statman, Plawrence over 2 1/2 years ago, when the Yankees first aquired Arod. The man was absolutely correct. http://www.gangsterbb.net/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=15;t=000167#000016 Don Cardi
Don Cardi Five - ten years from now, they're gonna wish there was American Cosa Nostra. Five - ten years from now, they're gonna miss John Gotti.
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