ok thanks, that answered both questions.

That part's obvious, but DM raises a valid point, which I'm sure is "yes" anyway, but -- if an SP pitches as a RP, and he's on your roster, do you still get those stats?

(You may've even answered that before...)

If you have him starting that day (b/c he was listed as a starter), then he couldn't pitch in relief also.

And if he wasn't scheduled to pitch and you had him benched, then you wouldn't get his stats, like anyone else on your bench.

But if you had him in your starting lineup (what I think you mean by "on your roster") even if he wasn't scheduled to pitch - like if you decided on 5 starters and just left them in your starting lineup, figuring you'd only replace one of them and use the 6th in certain spots - and he appeared in relief on a day he didn't start, then yes, you'd get his stats for that day but it wouldn't count as a game started against your 162 game max.

Hmmm.....some elements of strategy come into play here, don't they?

I've always believed that in life you should only try to control what's controllable, which prompts this post:

Since we will be pre-determining the draft order, there is nothing to stop us from trading draft picks before or during the actual draft, or trading players for draft picks once the draft begins.

For example....

If there are 9 of us in the league, and JG, say, has the #1 pick and I have the #7 pick, I may be so anxious to get A Rod that I might be willing to trade my first two picks, which will be the 7th pick of the 1st round and the 3rd pick of the 2nd round (the 7th and 12th players selected overall) for JG's 1st pick.

And JG might be willing to do it, since depending on how he rates the players, he might think it more valuable to have the #7 and #12 picks instead of the #1 and #18 picks.

If any trading takes place before the draft, I believe that the order can be changed, but if someone trades the #1 pick for the #7 pick, that order would remain in effect throughout the draft.

So what you would have to do is communicate among yourselves - presumably on the group IM chatbox while the draft takes place - and tell each other who you want the other person to pick.

Like if I made this trade with JG, the draft order would remain the same, but I would tell him who I wanted him to pick first, and then when my turn came up 7th, and again 12th, he would tell me who he wanted me to pick for him.

Then when the draft was over, you would effect the trade among yourselves.

The only problem is that if you do this, you do so at your own risk.

If I tell JG to pick A Rod first for me and he does, and then he tells me who he wants me to pick for him and I don't, he's stuck with the picks he made as his own if he doesn't want the players I picked in exchange and doesn't agree to the required trade.

I only mention this because, it's something that players can do amongst themselves that no one has any control over.

I don't know if anyone thought of this possibility besides me, but if they did and it should happen during the draft, I don't want anyone to be able to say "I didn't know you could do that."

Because when you stop and think about it, it's perfectly logical that you can do that.

I don't know if I explained this very well.....

You explained it well enough. But if anyone tries that with me, I'll probably tell'm to fock off. Unless, of course, it benefits me incredibly.

Why "incredibly"?

Sure, there's a lot of luck involved in the draft since we can't be sure who will have a season that surpasses or falls below our expectations, but I'd make a deal if I thought it benefitted me, and it wouldn't have to be "incredibly".

If the way I rank the players indicates a significant drop-off in quality between, say, the 13th and 14th picks, I might be williing to trade the 1st & 19th picks for the 9th and 10th, if I didn't think there was as much of a difference between the 1st and 9th.

This might come into play in the later rounds when there's someone left who you really want and you're afraid he might get taken before your turn, so you might be willing to trade up, trading away maybe two later and lower picks.

And if I figure that it doesn't make too much of a difference - that the later rounds are even more of a crapshoot than the earlier ones - I might trade a pick that's a few notches higher for two picks that are a few notches lower figuring that I'm increasing my chances of getting lucky with a "sleeper" pick.

I gues we'll see what happens.

As I said, I just want everyone to understand that there's the possibility that this could happen, since in reality it can't be stopped.

you mean this ranking? I don't know if this is the one based on our system

Yup, that's it.

Just make sure you always go to that far right hand column and click on "Fan Pts" to get them in our order, not Yahoo's.

Also, as you've probably figured out, you can use those other windows to isolate each individual position.

You really should ammend the first post so ppl know where to join and when the draft is... I surely wouldn't (and don't) wanna weed thru 7 pages to find it...

When is the draft again?

lol...yeah

Monday, March 20th, 9;30 PM

FYI, all that stuff....draft date, scorings cats, values, etc., can be found in the link to "League Settings"

K, thanks

You should also include a link, and, don't they need the league # rather than the name?

Good thinking. You and DB and DM can be the League Board of Governors.

Getting into yet now (finally)?

Nah. I may just skip baseball entirely this year.

BTW - Thanks again for alerting me to the problem this morning. For that, I won't pick on you for the next hour.

Save the thank you's.


It was done strictly out of self-interest. :p

'I can't wait the game (and most likely the season itself) to start!' and all, I just noticed that the draft didn't work in my pc (I mean the test on the game's page) - I still didn't sit and tried to figure out the whole thing (can't do it now because it's really late and I still have plenty of things to do) but I thought it'd be nice to mention it as early as posible. does anyone know how I can fix it? I already disabled firewall and it still doesn't work...

I'm not certain, TM, but maybe Yahoo calculated the odds of you lasting 164 games and decided there was no way you'd make it....

(I have no idea, sorry)

Thanks for inviting me to the League Board of Governors.

Without having to sift through pages and pages of posts, anything in particular I should be looking at?

I dunno...if I were you I'd do some sifting and try to read all of my lengthier posts.

Some of it is repetitious (of course ), but I think I covered pretty much everything.

OK, but it's going to take a whole weekend to read all of it! :p

If you want, I'll write and post a "Reader's Digest" version.

No, that's OK Plaw. I'm sure it'll be a quick read. I'll just skip over all of JG's and DMC's penis posts.

That'll be a lot of work for me of course, but maybe I should anyway.

Seriously, you don't have to (unless you really want to). It's my fault that I've been a bit lax on reading through all the back-and-forth - no need for you to do extra work.

I should probably do it.....more for the new players who have never played this style game before.

Maybe over the weekend.

okay I'm a genious. fixed that shit. I thought it would be trickier because my PC has been terrible lately but at least it says "successfull" there

Good.....then you're all set.

Now just don't forget to show up for the draft. :p

What time is 9:30 PM EST for you?

nah don't worry. I wouldn't miss it

Brazil time = GMT - 03:00 = draft time = 11:30 PM

Finally done reading... only took a couple of hours! :p

Fantasy Baseball Commissioner Suffers Mild Heart Attack
Gangster BB Bigwig Said To Now Be Resting Comfortably

By Neal Pulcawer

Gangster BB Yahoo Fantasy Baseball Commissioner plawrence suffered a mild heart attack this morning during an IM conversation with league member Don Sicilia, when Sicilia - known more familiarly in fantasy sports circles as "DB" - erroneously informed him that part of his plan for this year's game was unworkable.

Although details are sketchy, it is believed that DB misinterpreted a Yahoo rule involving the number of players that could be benched at a given time.

By the time DB realized his error, Mr. plawrence was already suffering chest pains and dizziness, which he later attributed to the several alchoholic beverages he consumed during the chat.

By the time paramedics arrived at Mr. plawrence's home, however, Mr. Sicilia had already realized his mistake and Mr. plawrence was able to pick himself up off the floor without assistance.

plawrence, who declined to be hospitalized and was said to be resting comfortably at the computer table which he seldom leaves, is a longtime member of the Gangster BB, and a moderator of its Sports Forum.

Sicilia, also a longtime member, was once considered Mr. plawrence's Most Worthy Adversary in fantasy sports, but he hs given up that title due to his limited participation in the BB's more recent fantasy sports games, although he has found time to participate in the major games despite a heavy job related workload and the planning for his impending marriage.

DB pointed this out to me last night during our IM chat, regarding the Disabled List:

(From the Yahoo rules)

Any player is eligible to be placed on the DL as long as he is on the real-life disabled list. Once on the DL, a player may stay there for the entire season, even if he returns to real-life action. However, once a player comes off the real-life DL, you will not be able to complete any transactions until you remove him from your team's DL. You will, however, be able to make intra-roster moves (switching players between bench and active) regardless of a player's DL status.

Also...

We discussed the waiver rules....

The way Yahoo sets it up as as follows:

After the completion of the draft, everyone is assigned a "waiver priority", which is the reverse order of the order of the draft (whoever had the last pick in the draft gets the #1 waiver priority, and so on).

If more than one of us claims a player off waivers, then the person with the highest priority wins the claim

Then after a successful claim, the winning claimant goes to the bottom of the priority list and everyone else moves up a notch.

However, we have the option of customizing the waiver priority in any way we wish, which is what I'm inclined to do.

I think that whoever is in last place in the standings - based on average points per game (rather than total points -the way I do the Yahoo Basketball standings) - should have the #1 pick.

Two questions then arise:

1) Should the waiver priority order be re-set on a daily or weekly basis? and

2) Should the winning claimant retain his waiver position based on the standings even after making a successful claim?

My inclination is to reset it daily, and that the order emain the same regardless of how many successful claims someone makes.