I think the difference in our opinions here, JL, is that you think I'm undervaluing closers.

You think that a save should be worth more positive points than a blown save is worth negative points.

I think, on the other hand, that since the league average for converted save opportunities is around 85%, a blown save has much more of a negative impact than converting a save opportunity has a positive one.

In other words, at an 85% success rate, it's "easy" to get a save, but "difficult" to blow one.

So because I value saves for less than what may be "traditional", that pulls the value of closers down in worth relative to set-up men.

As you say, though, the rules are the same for everyone....