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Re: Yahoo Fantasy Baseball (Draft Game)
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Originally posted by Don Cardi:
I believe that a Hold falls between a Win and a Save. In other words when a reliever comes into a game with his team in the lead, but does not reach the required amount of innings or batters to get credit for a save, it is reffered to as him Holding the lead or getting a hold for his appearance. He held the lead for his team in his relief appearance. The required number of innings pitched to earn a save is one-third, and the required number of batters faced to be eligible is one. To get a save, a pitcher must be the last pitcher to pitch in a game won by his team, he may not be the winning pitcher, and he must do one of the following three things: Enter the game with a lead of no more than three runs and pitches for at least one inning, OR Enter the game, regardless of the count, with the potential tying run either on base, or at bat, or on deck, and the runners on base were not put there by him, OR He pitches "effectively" (subjective decision by the official scorer) for at least three innings in a game his team wins. "Holds", which, BTW, I understand are not an official MLB record - so I'm not sure who exactly set up the following criteria - are earned as follows (according to one website I looked at): A relioever enters a game with his team leading, records at least one out, and leaves the game without giving up the lead, he earns a "hold". I believe, therefore, that more than one hold can be awarded in the same game.
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Re: Yahoo Fantasy Baseball (Draft Game)
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All this talk about "Holds' did make me relaize that there is a flaw in the scoring system (This should make you happy, JL :p  ): There is no way to assign a negative value to a "Blown Hold", so in light of that, and in light of the fact that a "Hold" is not an official MLB stat, I'm sorry we included them at all. 
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Re: Yahoo Fantasy Baseball (Draft Game)
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04/04/06 04:55 PM
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Well, I tried...but you can't think of everything. But I already have it in my notes for next year  .
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Re: Yahoo Fantasy Baseball (Draft Game)
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Originally posted by Don Sicilia:
Does a team have to be up by a certain amount of runs (maximum? minimum?) for a closer to be eligible for a hold?
How many outs does he have to get?
If he leaves with a smaller lead (he gives up some runs), does he still get a hold? Does it matter if the runs he gave up are earned or unearned? Originally posted by plawrence:
A hold is awarded if a reliever enters a game with his team leading, records at least one out, and leaves the game without giving up the lead, he earns a "hold" That's all I could find, but I think it answers all of the questions if by nothing else than omission.
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Re: Yahoo Fantasy Baseball (Draft Game)
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04/04/06 05:20 PM
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Ah....I also just found this HERE : What is a Hold?Quite simply, it depends on who you ask. There are two competing definitions. One comes from STATS, Inc., the other from SportsTicker. STATS, Inc Definition:The hold was invented in 1986 by John Dewan (now an executive at STATS, Inc.) and Mike O'Donnell, who worked together on The Chicago Baseball Report. A Hold is credited any time a relief pitcher enters a game in a Save Situation, records at least one out, and leaves the game never having relinquished the lead. This definition comes from the STATS Baseball Scoreboard: 1996. Notice that a pitcher cannot get a hold unless he leaves the game before the game is over. You cannot finish a game and also get credit for a hold. You'd get credit for a save instead. Further, a pitcher can get a hold if he pitches three innings or more, regardless of how big his team's lead, as long as the lead is intact when leaves the game. Example: Stinky Anderson enters the game with his team ahead 12-6 after 5 innings. Anderson pitches the 6th, 7th and 8th innings. Anderson gets credit for a hold so long as he didn't relinquish his team's lead, and his team does not relinquish the lead in the 9th inning. The score could be 12-11 at this point and Anderson would still get credit for a hold. As opposed to THIS DEFINITION from ESPN’s SportsTicker.
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Re: Yahoo Fantasy Baseball (Draft Game)
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04/04/06 06:14 PM
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It could be both.
A reliever gets credit for both a loss and a blown save when that happens.
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Re: Yahoo Fantasy Baseball (Draft Game)
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04/05/06 12:25 AM
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No, there's a limit of 162 games at each position, including Starting Pitcher.
The only position with no limit is Relief Pitcher.
BTW, Yahoo now provides us with that information; On your team roster page, just below the "Submit" button, there's a link to "Maximum games and innings", which gives a position by position breakdown of how many games you've used at each position and how many you have left.
Ignore the part in there about the limit on innings pitched - that doesn't apply to our league, as we have none.
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Re: Yahoo Fantasy Baseball (Draft Game)
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04/05/06 12:34 AM
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1458 was the total (162 x 9).
I'm not gonna give a position by position breakdown in the standings every day for every one of us - waaaay too much work posting.
If you want to get a comparative idea of how you're doing, it should be enough to know how many games in total you have used and have left in relation to everyone else, not necessarily how they break down by position.
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Re: Yahoo Fantasy Baseball (Draft Game)
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OPU: "Offensive Players Used". How many starts your offensive players have made for the season. The maximum here for all 9 positions is 1458. OPTS: "Offensive Points". How many points your offensive players have earned for the season. SPU: "Starting Pitchers Used". How many starts your starting pitchers have made for the season. The maximum here is 162. SPTS: "Starter's Points". How many points your starting pitchers have earned for the season. RPU: "Relief Pitchers Used". How many relief appearances your relief pitchers have made for the season. We really don't need this one in there, since there is no maximum number of appearances, but I figured it would be interesting to have anyway. RPTS: "Reliever's Points". How many points your relief pitchers have earned for the season. Total: Total number of points earned for the entire season to date. Tuesday Scores
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DA 6 21 2 35 3 7 63
PL 5 26 2 -6 3 7 27
CC 6 20 0 0 3 4 24
JG 5 12 2 8 0 0 20
LZ 5 20 0 0 1 -9 11
JL 3 4 0 0 1 4 8
DB 5 18 1 -23 4 8 3
TM 4 9 1 -13 1 5 1
DJ 7 21 1 -24 0 0 -3
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CC 15 85 1 24 6 7 116
DA 15 56 5 32 4 9 97
TM 13 47 3 35 2 11 93
PL 14 75 3 9 6 9 93
JG 14 59 5 4 2 16 79
DB 14 66 2 -7 6 11 70
JL 12 51 3 -3 5 18 66
LZ 11 40 1 14 2 -2 52
DJ 12 31 3 -43 1 5 -7
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Re: Yahoo Fantasy Baseball (Draft Game)
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04/05/06 09:18 AM
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Our Terrible Starting Pitching Horrible so far, for all of us except CC, DA, and TM. Our league has an aggregate W-L record of 7-8, with an E.R.A. of 5.38 in 26 starts, averaging an unbelievable 2.53 points per start. I originally figured that we should average about 10-12 points per start, so I'm sure this average will rise significantly as we go along, but still..... Look at the brutal first games turned in by some top guys....Santana, Hudson, Zito, Schmidt, Pettitte, Carpenter, Zambrano, Garcia, Kazmir, Sabitha....
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Re: Yahoo Fantasy Baseball (Draft Game)
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04/05/06 09:49 PM
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If anyone has any questions about how anything in this game works -
Maximum number of games played at each position, roster configuration, starting lineups, bench, waiver procedure, free agent procedure, scoring, trading.....anything at all -
Now is the time to ask.
As we get further along, people are gonna be less likely to be willing to help out the beginners here, so it is strongly suggested that if there is anything you are unsure of, you ask now.
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Re: Yahoo Fantasy Baseball (Draft Game)
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04/06/06 05:59 AM
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OPU: "Offensive Players Used". How many starts your offensive players have made for the season. The maximum here for all 9 positions is 1458. OPTS: "Offensive Points". How many points your offensive players have earned for the season. SPU: "Starting Pitchers Used". How many starts your starting pitchers have made for the season. The maximum here is 162. SPTS: "Starter's Points". How many points your starting pitchers have earned for the season. RPU: "Relief Pitchers Used". How many relief appearances your relief pitchers have made for the season. We really don't need this one in there, since there is no maximum number of appearances, but I figured it would be interesting to have anyway. RPTS: "Reliever's Points". How many points your relief pitchers have earned for the season. Total: Total number of points earned for the entire season to date. ---------- Wednesday Scores
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CC 8 48 3 15 3 4 67
PL 9 40 1 7 3 13 60
TM 9 25 1 30 4 4 59
DB 9 28 1 21 4 -4 45
DA 9 36 0 0 1 6 42
DJ 9 38 0 0 1 2 40
JL 9 25 2 20 1 -7 38
JG 9 26 0 0 1 8 34
LZ 7 19 2 1 0 0 20
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CC 23 133 4 39 9 11 183
PL 23 115 4 16 9 22 153
TM 22 72 4 65 6 15 152
DA 24 92 5 32 5 15 139
DB 23 94 3 14 10 7 115
JG 23 85 5 4 3 24 113
JL 21 76 5 17 6 11 104
LZ 18 59 3 15 2 -2 72
DJ 21 69 3 -43 2 7 33Starting pitching showed a major improvement yesterday, as our starters went a combined 4-0 in 10 starts with an E.R.A. of 3.98, earning 94 points (or 9.40 FPPG, up from our previous aggregate average of 2.53).
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Re: Yahoo Fantasy Baseball (Draft Game)
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04/06/06 06:23 AM
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Originally posted by Don Jasani: The Blue Jay/Twin game is not being televised tonight for some reason so I'm following it on http://www.bluejays.com online. The Maple Leafs and Raptors are in action tonight as well, it'd be great if all three teams win. However, if it only has to be 1/3, a Blue Jay win will suffice. Originally posted by Don Jasani:
Alright, 7 - 4 Twins in the top of the 7th. It's prolly over but with our new bats we could still tie it up. The game started really well, but we fucked it up with our defense and some issues with Josh Towers. Don Malta should be happy though, Frank Catalanotto is 2/3 so far with a double and a run scored. Hey, Homer.... Didn't you start a separate thread for all of this interesting Maple Leafs-Raptors and inning-by-inning game-by-game Blue Jays stuff? :p
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Re: Yahoo Fantasy Baseball (Draft Game)
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Your spreadsheet buddy should be crying, too. :p
With all the horrible starting pitching we've seen, the impact of counting only a starter's points rather than the entire staff's - as in the salary cap game - has been much greater than I think we anticipated it would be.
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Re: Yahoo Fantasy Baseball (Draft Game)
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04/07/06 05:40 AM
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I'll continue posting the definitions through the weekend so everyone has a chance to get used to them..... OPU: "Offensive Players Used". How many starts your offensive players have made for the season. The maximum here for all 9 positions is 1458. OPTS: "Offensive Points". How many points your offensive players have earned for the season. SPU: "Starting Pitchers Used". How many starts your starting pitchers have made for the season. The maximum here is 162. SPTS: "Starter's Points". How many points your starting pitchers have earned for the season. RPU: "Relief Pitchers Used". How many relief appearances your relief pitchers have made for the season. We really don't need this one in there, since there is no maximum number of appearances, but I figured it would be interesting to have anyway. RPTS: "Reliever's Points". How many points your relief pitchers have earned for the season. Total: Total number of points earned for the entire season to date. ---------- Thursday Scores
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PL 8 32 0 0 0 0 32
DJ 6 18 1 8 1 6 32
TM 5 31 0 0 0 0 31
JL 7 36 0 0 2 -9 27
LZ 5 20 1 7 0 0 27
CC 5 6 1 16 1 3 25
DA 5 15 0 0 1 5 20
JG 4 10 0 0 1 4 14
DB 4 19 2 -43 0 0 -24
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CC 28 139 5 55 10 14 208
PL 31 147 4 16 9 22 185
TM 27 103 4 65 6 15 183
DA 29 107 5 32 6 20 159
JL ^ 28 112 5 17 8 2 131
JG 27 95 5 4 4 28 127
LZ ^ 23 79 4 22 2 -2 99
DB 27 113 5 -29 10 7 91
DJ 27 87 4 -35 3 13 65
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Re: Yahoo Fantasy Baseball (Draft Game)
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04/07/06 10:58 PM
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P.L. I did start a separate thread for all Blue Jay related matters but since they are a Baseball team and this is the yahoo fantasy BASEBALL thread I thought it might be appropriate. :p Anywhoo, I'm kinda sorta getting the hang of this fantasy sport thing and I think that I had a good night tonight. Hopefully, my team can continue to produce and I will no longer be in the cellar. Oh yeah, and if you accuse me of being a Homer I don't really take offense. Homer (The Odyssey, The Iliad etc.) Homer Simpson. I'm in pretty good company. Just add Homer Jasani to the list. :p
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Hopefully things will be a bit better after tonight. :rolleyes:
