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Re: Yahoo Fantasy Baseball (Draft Game)
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04/08/06 12:23 AM
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Originally posted by Don Jasani: P.L. I did start a separate thread for all Blue Jay related matters but since they are a Baseball team and this is the yahoo fantasy BASEBALL thread I thought it might be appropriate.  :p  Um, not exactly. It's not the Fantasy BASEBALL thread, it's the FANTASY Baseball thread. :rolleyes: Anywhoo, I'm kinda sorta getting the hang of this fantasy sport thing and I think that I had a good night tonight. Well..... ......Never mind. :p
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Re: Yahoo Fantasy Baseball (Draft Game)
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04/08/06 12:29 AM
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Originally posted by ginaitaliangirl:
[quote]Originally posted by plawrence:
[b] Your spreadsheet buddy should be crying, too. :p Aw, Plaw. I see how it works. You only trash talk me in the games I wuss out of, huh?  [/b][/quote]A knife to my heart, GG, a knife to my heart. There I was, feeling your pain as well.....
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Re: Yahoo Fantasy Baseball (Draft Game)
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04/08/06 01:24 AM
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When am I never not serious?  Just kidding. I'm hardly ever serious. But you knew that. But I did feel a little badly for 'ya, seeing as how you are working so hard to carry the Gangster BB Fantasy Sports Torch.
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Re: Yahoo Fantasy Baseball (Draft Game)
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04/08/06 01:24 AM
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When am I never not serious? Just kidding. I'm hardly ever serious. But you knew that. But I did feel a little badly for 'ya, seeing as how you are working so hard to carry the Gangster BB Fantasy Sports Torch.
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Re: Yahoo Fantasy Baseball (Draft Game)
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04/08/06 08:08 AM
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I'll continue posting the definitions through the weekend so everyone has a chance to get used to them..... OPU: "Offensive Players Used". How many starts your offensive players have made for the season. The maximum here for all 9 positions is 1458. OPTS: "Offensive Points". How many points your offensive players have earned for the season. SPU: "Starting Pitchers Used". How many starts your starting pitchers have made for the season. The maximum here is 162. SPTS: "Starter's Points". How many points your starting pitchers have earned for the season. RPU: "Relief Pitchers Used". How many relief appearances your relief pitchers have made for the season. We really don't need this one in there, since there is no maximum number of appearances, but I figured it would be interesting to have anyway. RPTS: "Reliever's Points". How many points your relief pitchers have earned for the season. Total: Total number of points earned for the entire season to date. ---------- Friday Scores
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PL 9 36 1 35 0 0 71
JL 9 47 1 4 3 10 61
CC 9 37 1 19 1 5 61
TM 9 45 2 8 1 5 58
DA 8 30 1 -9 1 6 27
JG 8 20 0 0 1 5 25
LZ 8 22 0 0 1 3 25
DB 9 17 0 0 1 4 21
DJ 9 44 1 -24 0 0 20
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CC 37 176 6 74 11 19 269
PL 40 183 5 51 9 22 256
TM 36 148 6 73 7 20 241
JL ^ 37 159 6 21 11 12 192
DA 37 137 6 23 7 26 186
JG 35 115 5 4 5 33 152
LZ 31 101 4 22 3 1 124
DB 36 130 5 -29 11 11 112
DJ 36 131 5 -59 3 13 85
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Re: Yahoo Fantasy Baseball (Draft Game)
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04/08/06 08:52 AM
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Now that everyone except LZ has at least 5 or 6 pitching starts and everyone has kninda been through their "rotation" once, with no pitchers starting a second game, it's time to take a shot at a "Prpjected Points Total" for everybody. The reasoning here is that the "Raw" point totals provided by Yahoo are important, but fail to give a complete picture because they are heavily influenced by the number of games at each position and the number of pitching starts you have used already. By assuming that everyone reaches their 162 game maximum at each position (pitching starts included), we can project a final season's total based on the average number of points scored already with the sample - albeit limited - that we have after 6 days. I'm not gonna provide all the calculations here, just the final totals. If anyone wants to do the math (yeah, right :rolleyes: ), here's the formula: (OPTS/OPU x 1458) + (SPTS/SPU x 162) + (RPTS/NDP x 183)(Note: Where "NDP" is the number of days we are into the 183 day season.) CC 9876
PL 8993
TM 8488
JL 7198
DA 6813
JG 5928
LZ 5672
DB 4661
DJ 3792 As I said when the season started, I decided to use the raw point totals to determine the waiver priority order since, unlike basketball, I didn't expect there to be much differnce between the raw totals and the projected totals, which proved to be the case (Besides, changing the waiver priority every morning based on the raw point totals takes about 10 seconds - this took about 10-15 minutes to figure out). Also, again, the sample size is quite small, and badly skewed by the huge negative point totals in starting pitching by DB and DJ. plawrence Commissioner  -------------------- Working harder to serve you better.
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Re: Yahoo Fantasy Baseball (Draft Game)
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04/08/06 09:22 AM
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From The Department of Useless Statistics Top Ten Best & Worst Starting Pitcher Performances So Far Best Worst
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Blanton PL 4/7 35 Zito JL 4/3 -27
Oswalt JL 4/3 34 Sosa DB 4/6 -26
Bonderman TM 4/5 30 Garland DJ 4/7 -24
Peavy TM 4/3 26 Garcia DJ 4/4 -24
Johnson CC 4/3 24 Pettitte DB 4/4 -23
Halladay DA 4/4 24 Kazmir DJ 4/3 -19
Penny JG 4/4 23 Loaiza DB 4/6 -17
Schilling TM 4/3 22 Lackey JG 4/4 -15
Beckett DB 4/5 21 Smoltz TM 4/4 -13
Chacin CC 4/6 16 (tie) Hudson JL 4/3 -10
Perez DB 4/3 16 (tie) Feast or famine for DB....All five of his starts make one list or the other.
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Re: Yahoo Fantasy Baseball (Draft Game)
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04/08/06 12:31 PM
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Well, a bit, yeah....
The projections were a lot more significant in our yahoo basketball league with a max games at each position feature, because for some reason guys weren't making up their lost games right away so there was a big difference bewteen someone who was right on top of it and someone who wasn't.
Because in baseball almost every team plays every day, it figures to stay close and there won't be too much difference standings-wise between the raw totals and the projections, unless players start to get injured and the lost games aren't made up right away and someone falls behind in the race to get to 162 at each position.
It's gonna be harder to make up games in baseball than it was in basketball, also.
In baskets, they're playing 2-3-4 nites a week, so there are plenty of days when your strater may be off and you can make up a lost game with your backup.
In baseball, with the schedule being the way it is, you don't get all that many chances.
Um...what was the question again?
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Re: Yahoo Fantasy Baseball (Draft Game)
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04/09/06 01:35 AM
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Here's something that I think is a scoring system flaw that I don't believe anyone recognized before....  Look at what happened tonight with CC and Chad Qualls: The guy blew a save and took the loss; that's a -13 right there on his way to a -28. The fact that he did all of that in only 1/3 of an inning isn't really relevent, I don't think - Nothing wrong with all the minus points for giving up the runs and the hits, but it doesn't seem fair that he should have the chance to get charged with both a blown save and the loss in the same game. Of course, I'm sure there were cases in which that happened last season and these cases were reflected in last year's scoring on which we (at least to some degree) based our drafting decisions, so I'm not gonna suggest we do anything about it now, however..... JL, as a member of the League Board of Governors ( ) if you would be so kind to allow me to appoint you the "Secretary of Proposed Changes for 2007" (  ) and start keeping track of these things, it would be very much appreciated.
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Re: Yahoo Fantasy Baseball (Draft Game)
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04/09/06 01:53 AM
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Well, I just looked at the boxscore, and Qualls was officially charged with a blown save and a loss, so I guess that part of it is fair.
Not to re-open the whole argument again....But if the average closer saves about 85% of the games he has the opportunity to save - regardless of whether or not the saves are "cheap" - no matter what value we placed on a save, I'd want the value of the blown save to be such that his net +/- would be around zero if he only saved, say, 75% of the games he had the chance to.
When a RP blows a save and then vultures the win, he doesn't get "full" credit for the win because his points are offset by the minus for blowing the save which is, I think, as it should be.
But when he blows a save and takes the loss, it's like he's getting charged double, which seems unfair somehow.
That's what I think the "flaw" is.
However, all of that said, if you look at all of the losses taken by RPs last season that also involved a blown save, I'd bet it didn't happen all that often.
Maybe I'll do a little research into that question tomorrow.
Bottom line, of course, since it was reflected in last year's scoring totals when it did happen.....
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Re: Yahoo Fantasy Baseball (Draft Game)
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04/09/06 02:08 AM
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BTW....Same thing happened tonight with DB and Politte, for a -19.
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Re: Yahoo Fantasy Baseball (Draft Game)
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04/09/06 06:26 AM
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I'll continue posting the definitions through the weekend so everyone has a chance to get used to them..... Today is the last day I'll be posting the abbreviations OPU: "Offensive Players Used". How many starts your offensive players have made for the season. The maximum here for all 9 positions is 1458. OPTS: "Offensive Points". How many points your offensive players have earned for the season. SPU: "Starting Pitchers Used". How many starts your starting pitchers have made for the season. The maximum here is 162. SPTS: "Starter's Points". How many points your starting pitchers have earned for the season. RPU: "Relief Pitchers Used". How many relief appearances your relief pitchers have made for the season. We really don't need this one in there, since there is no maximum number of appearances, but I figured it would be interesting to have anyway. RPTS: "Reliever's Points". How many points your relief pitchers have earned for the season. Total: Total number of points earned for the entire season to date. ---------- Saturday Scores
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JG 8 24 3 55 2 7 86
TM 7 30 1 24 1 7 61
DA 7 21 1 4 2 10 35
JL 5 19 3 4 3 11 34
LZ 8 16 1 5 2 2 23
CC 8 35 2 14 3 -28 21
PL 7 19 0 0 0 0 19
DJ 6 14 0 0 1 3 17
DB 7 22 1 -18 2 -13 -9
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TM^ 43 178 7 97 8 27 302
CC 45 211 7 69 15 10 290
PL 47 202 5 51 9 22 275
JG^ 43 139 8 59 7 40 238
JL 42 178 9 25 14 23 226
DA 44 158 7 27 9 36 221
LZ 39 117 5 27 5 3 147
DB 43 152 6 -47 13 -2 103
DJ 42 145 5 -59 4 16 102
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Re: Yahoo Fantasy Baseball (Draft Game)
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Originally posted by plawrence:
Look at what happened tonight with CC and Chad Qualls:
Can we not.  Ok, the curse of the pitching negative points has hit most of us, it can stop now.
How about a little less questions and a lot more shut the hell up - Brian Griffin
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Re: Yahoo Fantasy Baseball (Draft Game)
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04/09/06 05:30 PM
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Re: Yahoo Fantasy Baseball (Draft Game)
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Originally posted by plawrence:
Look at what happened tonight with CC and Chad Qualls:
The guy blew a save [b]and took the loss; that's a -13 right there on his way to a -28.[/b] Originally posted by plawrence:
BTW....Same thing happened tonight with DB and Politte, for a -19.  My turn today with Reitsma. )
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Re: Yahoo Fantasy Baseball (Draft Game)
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04/09/06 11:25 PM
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Originally posted by plawrence:
Originally posted by plawrence:
Look at what happened tonight with CC and Chad Qualls:
The guy blew a save [b]and took the loss; that's a -13 right there on his way to a -28.[/b] Originally posted by plawrence:
BTW....Same thing happened tonight with DB and Politte, for a -19 Originally posted by plawrence:
My turn today with Reitsma.
A blown save and a loss, for a -20.
JL's turn now, with Isringhausen and his -28. I'm gonna do the work and see how often this happened last year. At this rate this year it looks like it's gonna happen almost 100 times, which can't be how often it happened last year.
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Re: Yahoo Fantasy Baseball (Draft Game)
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04/10/06 01:46 AM
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Isringhausen's on my team...whatever...the offense is relatively easy to generate if you've got a few studs on your squad. The pitching is more hit and miss. Unless you have Pedro Martinez, Roy Halladay, Johan Santana, Roy Oswalt, Randy Johnson, Mariano Rivera, Brad Lidge and B.J. Ryan on the same team you're gonna lose a lot of points on pitching...I guess it just boils down to whether the pitcher had a good night's sleep the night before the game and what he ate for breakfast. :p
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Re: Yahoo Fantasy Baseball (Draft Game)
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04/10/06 02:16 AM
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You're right, DJ. You have Isringhausen. My mistake. Wishful thinking, I guess. Originally posted by Don Jasani:
Unless you have Pedro Martinez, Roy Halladay, Johan Santana, Roy Oswalt, Randy Johnson, Mariano Rivera, Brad Lidge and B.J. Ryan on the same team you're gonna lose a lot of points on pitching Since none of us have all those guys, does that mean we can all expect minus points in pitching? Oh, and BTW, Homer.....Now that we have your analysis, when are you planning to start playing?
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