And you were just trying to trade Maroth to me today... :p

That should read .1 IP, -22 pts (1 GS, 1 out, 6 ER, 6 H)

I forgot the one point for the GS.

Funny how all you guys lose faith in a pitcher after one bad start.

Going into today Maroth had started 8 times and Detroit was 6-2 in those games.

Of the 8 starts, only two were bad, and they weren't really terrible, either (4 ERs allowed in 5 and 6 IPs).

But one bad game on the road, and suddenly the guy is worthless?

Detroit is a known pitcher's park.

In the 3 games Maroth has started at home, Detroit is 3-0 and Maroth has an E.R.A. of 1.87.

He's fine at home; I never would have started him today, except I figured against KC with their big losing streak it was 7 points for the win plus at least another 8-10 points or so even if he didn't pitch that well.

Pfft, he was worthless last year, and the year before, and the year before that, too...

If he stinks in his next start at home, then I'd give up on him. But I'm willing to give him at least that one more shot.

Most importantly, he's worthless today.

Well, better I took him than Andy - it's easier to get mad at a "stranger" than one of my own.

Meanwhile Detroit has closed the gap to 6-5, so if they can hold KC scoreless, or to maybe a run or two for the rest of the game and pull out the win, it won't be a disaster in the Salary Cap Game if you have the Detroit PS.

If you have Maroth in the Yahoo game, though......

True, Plaw. There's plenty of time for Detroit to get a win out of this...but also plenty of time to make it even worse for us.

So this game counts only the SP's stats, right?

Yeah, the Yahoo game only counts the stats of the pitchers you have on your team. If you happen to have a Detroit reliever that pitches today, his points would count also, of course.

Gotcha.

Solves the problem of a team's bullpen ruining a good starting performance by a pitcher, but you can just as easily screw up with a guy like Maroth taking an early exit, right? Ugh.

Fantasy sports are too hard.

Like Oswalt yesterday.

If you had him on your staff in Yahoo you did fine (23 I think), but if you had the Houston PS in the Salary Cap Game.....

Want Carpenter and his bad shoulder back for A-Rod?

I'll take a chance on Carpenter if he's cheap enough.

Maybe you want to cut your losses on this horrible deal you made which clearly favors JG and get at least something back for Carp. :p

After five days in a row - May 19th thru May 23rd - of strong starting pitching (46 starts, 635 points, 13.80 FPPG), the last four days (36 starts, 538 points, 14.94 FPPG) on which we set a new high for our season's average (going from 8.30 FPPG to 8.86 FPPG), the last two days have been a disaster:

17 starts, 17 points, 1.00 FPPG, dropping our season's average from a high of 8.86 FPPG down to 8.58

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Maroth PL -22

I saw some of your trade offers at the start of the season. No thanks. :p

Trade Announcement

(Things are really starting to heat up these days)

PL trades

Tom Glavine
Brad Wilkerson
Jose Lopez

to DA

for

Roy Halladay

The players will be available to their new teams for the games on Monday.

Don't you have the power to veto this trade?

Yes, but I won't veto a trade just because I think it's lopsided.

The only circumstances in which I would disallow a trade are if it is so one-sided as to indicate that there is collusion betwen the trading partners, and they are deliberately destroying one team to improve the other, or if one of the parties involved makes a case that they accidentally hit the "accept" button instead of the "reject" button.

In this particular case, while I feel the trade is one-sided, you could make a case for it from CC's POV:

"Contreras has been pitching over his head and Pettitte has been much worse than he usually is, and I believe that Contreras is about to get a lot worse and Pettitte is about to show considerable improvement, making that part of the trade an advantage for Pettitte, and by Replacing Wilson with Ibanez I've improved the team as much or more than I've hurt it by replacing Berkman with Drew.

In any case, even if the net result of the change in outfielders makes my team worse, that is offset by the fact that replacing Contreras with Pettitte makes my team better."

Now, I don't happen to agree with that analysis, but, theoretically, "What do I know"?

If that is CC's thinking, who am I to tell her she is wrong?

Suppose I disallow the trade and Pettitte goes 16-4 the rest of the season while Contreras goes 8-12 or something, and Ibanez or Drew hits .320 with 30-35 homers and 100 RBIs the last 115 games and Berkman hits .260 with 10 homers and 50 RBIs?

The main thing is that the two of them didn't sit down and decide together to purposely destroy CC's team while improving DB's.

If DB was able to out-trade her and talk her into this deal, more power to him.

I'm sorry it wasn't me getting Berkman for Brad Wilkerson and Pedro Feliz, or something like that.

Yet Another

Trade Announcement

PL trades

Craig Biggio

to DJ

For

Chris Capuano

The Players will be available to their new teams for the games on Monday.

Freakin' Ryan Dumpster cost me a Win -- freakin' Cubs bullshitpen. :rolleyes:

....and just when I thought the other trade was bad, PL pulls this off getting the 7th ranked SP for a 2B that should be on waivers. Glad to see this league knows what it's doing.

:rolleyes:

PL has a strong power of persuasion... luckily I only fell for that once.

It's bullshit. He's the fucking commissioner, and he's robbing someone that has no idea what they're doing. He's should be preventing crap like this, and yet he's doing it himself.
....And don't try and justify this trade PL.

I can afford to lose Capuano cuz I have P-Mart. Biggio is one of my favourite players and I wanted him on my squad. He's batting .295, with 4 HR, 16 RBI, 1 SB, 28 R, 52 H and 14 BB. I can platoon him with Robinson Cano. We'll just have to see how it works out I guess.

No offense DJ, he flat out robbed you. He picked up Uggla off waivers, who has way more points than Biggio, then traded Biggio to you for one of the top fantasy pitchers (so far) this season. There are still 2B on waivers with more points than Biggio. He may be your favorite player, but you can give away what you did to get him.

Yeah, I do see your point JL and Biggio is one of my favourites cuz you can't deny his hustle. Guess I should've listened to my mind over my heart on the deal which was my idea. PL wanted Capuano and I did want Biggio. Well I guess Biggio will be on the block come Mon. j/k :p

I believe PL just out-traded everybody he made deals with so far, so you can't blame him I guess. although I agree he robbed people in his 3 deals.

of course, only when the season is over we'll know who got the best out of every trade.

My responsibilities as Commissioner only extend so far, and do not include protecting players from themselves.

I'm not going to play God and approve one trade because I think it's fair and disallow another because I think it's unfair.

After all, most trades have an advantage for one side, don't they?

I felt that the Carpenter for A Rod trade gave JL a big advantage, but who am I to make that decision?

Obviously JG doesn't agree with me, or he wouldn't have made the trade.

And where do you draw the line?

It's way too subjective to allow one person the right to allow or disallow a trade based on whether or not they think it's fair.

When I saw the trade the other day between DB and CC, I wasn't happy.

Why? Two reasons.

First, because while I didn't consider CC to be a threat to win, I did think that DB could, and this trade made him stronger.

But I was unhappy for another reason: I was unhappy that I hadn't tried to make such a deal with CC myself.

Hell, I would've offered her Tomko and two guys like Wilkerson or Feliz or Jenkins or Gibbons, and given her close to just as good a deal as DB did.

She might not have accepted it, but, on the other hand, she might have.

So why didn't I?

Not because I felt any compassion for CC and didn't want to take two of her best players, but simply because it never occurred to me that she would accept such a trade.

But I'm certainly not gonna disallow it because I think it's one-sided.

Read my other recent post about that trade. More power to DB.

Now, we could have a set-up where everyone votes, but there's a big problem with that as I see it.

Wouldn't everyone vote based on their own self interest?

Why would anyone ever vote to allow a trade involving the team in first place if that trade made that team stronger?

If we had a set-up where everyone voted, I would have voted to disallow the Carpenter-A Rod trade, because at the time I was battling JL for first place and I felt that the trade made him stronger.

I certainly would've voted against the recent trade between DB and CC as well, because what do I gain by voting to allow it? It can only hurt me, and it can't help me.

As far as the Capuano for Biggio trade goes, as I said, my job is not to protect DJ from himself.

I agree, it was robbery. But is it my fault that DJ hasn't used one of the best pitchers in baseball all season and was willing to trade him away for basically nothing?

When I started writing this post, I had planned to conclude by saying that I would call for a vote on this trade because it was so lopsided, but now that I think about it, it's a stupid idea.

What should I do about the DB-CC trade?

That one isn't as lopsided, but because of the players involved it certainly has the potential to have a lot more impact on the outcome of the league.

Why shouldn't we have a vote on that one as well?

And now we're back to the same problem of why I think allowing league members to vote on trades isn't a good idea.

However, there is a two-day waiting period here, so if anyone has anything to say I'll certainly listen.

(edited for typos)

I don't think that Halladay for Glavine, Lopez, and Wilkerson was robbery.

AAMOF, I'm not even sure that I got the best of that one at all.

It certainly stands to help DA a lot more than it helps me, especially if Glavine and Halladay both continue the way they've been going.

Hmm... well, I was hoping for a pitchers duel...

Schmidt vs Francis, both SP's on my roster

Schmidt 27
Francis -21

...guess not.

Jeez, Plaw...!

Tomko -15
Howry -3 <-- .1 IP, 1 BB, 1 ER... yet still a Hold? :rolleyes:
Dirty Sánchez -7