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Re: Yahoo Fantasy Baseball (Draft Game)
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07/02/06 01:57 AM
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I think PL finally made an intriguing offer! But with a 4-to-1 trade, I gotta see if it's worth dropping 3 of my guys... so bare with me the next couple days...  And no, JL, his offer wouldn't effect yours... I just need some time during a busy weekend...
I studied Italian for 2 semesters. Not once was a "C" pronounced as a "G", and never was a trailing "I" ignored! And I'm from Jersey!  lol Whaddaya want me to do? Whack a guy? Off a guy? Whack off a guy? --Peter Griffin My DVDs | Facebook | Godfather Filming Locations
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Re: Yahoo Fantasy Baseball (Draft Game)
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07/02/06 03:01 AM
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J Geoff
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Bitterman, table for 3... Bitterman! :p  It's a jigsaw puzzle I gotta figure out... tonight's not the night, tho... 
I studied Italian for 2 semesters. Not once was a "C" pronounced as a "G", and never was a trailing "I" ignored! And I'm from Jersey! lol Whaddaya want me to do? Whack a guy? Off a guy? Whack off a guy? --Peter Griffin My DVDs | Facebook | Godfather Filming Locations
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Re: Yahoo Fantasy Baseball (Draft Game)
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07/02/06 07:48 AM
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Friday's Scores
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JG 7 26 1 24 1 4 54
TM 9 36 0 0 0 0 36
DB 9 23 0 0 2 13 36
JL 9 27 1 7 0 0 34
LZ 9 24 0 0 1 6 30
DJ 7 26 0 0 0 0 26
PL 7 30 0 0 2 -11 19
DA 9 29 2 11 2 -22 18
CC 9 21 0 0 4 -6 15
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JL 728 2569 92 767 167 446 3782
JG 697 2263 99 1057 164 462 3782
TM 655 2410 95 1030 145 243 3683
DB 669 2643 87 564 176 455 3662
PL 690 2385 84 815 186 321 3521
LZ 648 2141 72 677 102 248 3066
DJ 654 2291 71 635 65 129 3055
DA 617 2175 82 686 147 165 3026
CC 682 2337 100 453 152 104 2894Crawford TM 16 Wickman DA -25
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Re: Yahoo Fantasy Baseball (Draft Game)
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07/02/06 08:00 AM
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Saturday's Scores
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TM 8 31 2 23 2 2 56
LZ 10 36 1 7 1 5 48
DA 9 33 1 4 1 11 48
JG 9 29 0 0 3 17 46
CC 9 56 1 -15 0 0 41
JL 9 20 1 -1 3 20 39
DJ 6 33 0 0 2 -2 31
PL 10 35 1 -17 1 6 24
DB 9 27 1 -24 2 -21 -18
OPU OPTS SPU SPTS RPU RPTS Total
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JG 706 2292 99 1057 167 479 3828
JL 737 2589 93 766 170 466 3821
TM 663 2441 97 1053 147 245 3739
DB 678 2670 88 540 178 434 3644
PL 700 2420 85 798 187 327 3545
LZ 658 2177 73 684 103 253 3114
DJ 660 3024 71 635 67 127 3055
DA 623 2208 83 690 148 176 3074
CC 691 2393 101 438 152 104 2935Ortiz CC 17 Ramirez LZ 15 Ramirez DJ 15 Hudson DB -24 Turnbow DB -25
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Re: Yahoo Fantasy Baseball (Draft Game)
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07/02/06 08:45 AM
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Four of Bob Wickman's last eight appearances.... Date Dec. IP SO BB ER H FPTS E.R.A.
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6-10 L, BS 0.2 0 0 2 4 -20
6-17 L, BS 0.1 0 2 2 2 -21
6-28 L, BS 0.2 0 0 0* 1 -11
6-30 L 0.2 0 2 5 3 -24
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Total 4L, 3BS 2.1 0 4 9 10 -76 34.76
*Allowed 2 unearned runs
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Re: Yahoo Fantasy Baseball (Draft Game)
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07/02/06 08:49 AM
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Originally posted by Just Lou: PL could be giving you 3 other players that are much better than the 3 you'd drop, but I highly doubt that he's doing that. I'm giving him better players than then those he'd drop. That's the whole point of the deal for him - that he improves at several positions in exchange for getting weaker at one position. How could I possibly expect him to make a trade in which he's winding up with worse players than who he has already? I looked up the details of the famous Lebron trade; it was as follows: Lebron Wallt Szczerbiak Kyle Korver Speedy Claxton For Ron Artest Antoine Walker Nick Collison TJ Ford. All of those players were starting for JG at the time, and although (based on their averages) he lost points on the Lebron for Artest switch, he gained several points more than he lost by replacing the other three guys with the guys I gave him. Trouble is, Ford got injured after a hot start; Collison stopped playing well and lost his minutes; and Walker, even with decreased playing time, still did better than Korver. Meanwhile, Lebron raised his average - probably by about 5 FPPG or so – and Sczerbiak suddenly practically doubled his minutes and went off on a hot streak, as he averaged almost 20 FPPG the rest of the season. AAMOF, I had cut Szczerbiak after getting him – His hot streak didn’t start until later and I picked him up on waivers. It was a fair trade on paper; it just didn't work out for him. I was able to make that trade because when I analyzed the trade from my POV the same why that I did from his, I wound up with a projection of more FPPG also. The only two starters I gave up were Ford and Artest, and the gain I figured on by switching Lebron for Artest offset the loss I had by replacing Ford with whoever I replaced him with from my bench. But if you added up the FPPG averages of the players I sent him, and compared him to the FPPG averages of the guys he gave me (Lebron, plus the 3 others) – if that’s what you want to go by - then he definitely wound up with the best of it on that basis. I don’t care about giving up the best player in the deal in a 2 for 1 or a 3 or 4 for 1. As long as I improve my team, and I don’t improve my trading partner’s tem more than my own, I’ll do it. I’ll even let the other guy improve his team more than I do – as JG did in the deal above, as long as I don’t consider the guy I’m trading with a threat to beat me, based on our point totals at the time of the trade and the amount of time left in the game.. But I never offer deals which aren’t fair- trades which don’t help the other team also. I don’t think anyone is dumb enough to accept a trade that won’t help them.
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Re: Yahoo Fantasy Baseball (Draft Game)
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07/02/06 11:58 AM
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Nope, A-Rod's safe. 
I studied Italian for 2 semesters. Not once was a "C" pronounced as a "G", and never was a trailing "I" ignored! And I'm from Jersey! lol Whaddaya want me to do? Whack a guy? Off a guy? Whack off a guy? --Peter Griffin My DVDs | Facebook | Godfather Filming Locations
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Re: Yahoo Fantasy Baseball (Draft Game)
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07/02/06 02:04 PM
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JL's Trade Offer
H. Blalock (Tex - 3B) for F. Sánchez (Pit - 2B,3B,SS)
At first this seemed tempting; however, Blalock notoriously has a shitty second half - as if his season could get much worse than it has been, even playing for Texas. Sanchez, while he isn't much of a HR hitter, has one of the best batting averages in baseball. Do I think it will continue into the 2nd half, I don't know.
My main concern was losing a versatile player for one who plays only 3rd Base, where I already have A-Rod. Freddy is also my regular SS -- my only other (Hall) is situational only. [Actually, that was true until a few seconds ago when I picked up Lugo - lol.]
I may regret turning this down -- but in any event, I don't think I can give up such a hot player for one who batted .234 in June, and has hit only 3 HRs each the past 2 months. Not only that, I don't have room for him, even as my DH.
I studied Italian for 2 semesters. Not once was a "C" pronounced as a "G", and never was a trailing "I" ignored! And I'm from Jersey! lol Whaddaya want me to do? Whack a guy? Off a guy? Whack off a guy? --Peter Griffin My DVDs | Facebook | Godfather Filming Locations
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Re: Yahoo Fantasy Baseball (Draft Game)
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07/02/06 02:08 PM
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Originally posted by Just Lou: Shelton and Chavez, for A-Rod and Oswalt? Don't think I'm ever forgetting that suggestion. That would have been a fair trade if Shelton would have kept up even half of his early season pace and Chavez had performd up to expectations. After all, Oswalt and A Rod haven't been anything really special. Obviously, you judged the future correctly and didn't make the trade, because as it turned out I would have had the advantage, mostly because Shelton and Chavez have been flops.. But had the season played out the way I said in the first paragraph here, it would have wound up being a good deal for you. besides...trading is a negotiation. What I can never understand about all of you guys is why you never make a counter-offer. I'm telling you the players I'm interested inb when I make you an offer, so I'm really tipping my hand. Every player has a price, and I have plenty of good players on my team. You see who I want from you, why don't you make a counter offer? You traded A Rod for Carpenter -- I'm sure you would have traded him as part of a deal for Santana. I might've done Santana & Chavez for A Rod & Oswalt, altho I probably would've wanted a little bit more for the best pitcher in baseball. I'd even trade Santana now in the right deal Anyway, ask JG what he thinks....I don't believe I ever made him an unfair offer. He's just been a little gun-shy about trading with me because of the way the Lebron trade didn't work out for him.
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Re: Yahoo Fantasy Baseball (Draft Game)
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07/02/06 02:11 PM
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Originally posted by J Geoff:
[b]JL's Trade Offer.....H. Blalock (Tex - 3B) for F. Sánchez (Pit - 2B,3B,SS)
[/b] Interesting..... I gotta think about that one.
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Re: Yahoo Fantasy Baseball (Draft Game)
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07/02/06 02:53 PM
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Originally posted by plawrence:
I might've done Santana & Chavez for A Rod & Oswalt, altho I probably would've wanted a little bit more for the best pitcher in baseball.
You're insane. "Wanted more"? This was the start of the season. A-Rod was the #1 overall pick, and Oswalt was a 2nd round pick. Santana was the #8 overall pick, and Chavez was an 8th round pick. Obviously I could have drafted these guys myself if I wanted them. Now why on Earth would I do this and give you more?
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Re: Yahoo Fantasy Baseball (Draft Game)
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07/02/06 03:03 PM
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PL's Trade ANALysisD. Uggla (Fla - 2B) N. Johnson (Was - 1B) R. Winn (SF - LF,CF,RF) C. Capuano (Mil - SP) forJ. Schmidt (SF - SP) Fantasy Points earned: Last Last 2006 2005
Week Month
2B Uggla 5 83 262 ---
1B NJohnson 19 79 288 429
OF Winn 30 90 252 506
SP Capuano 10 83 239 313
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SP Schmidt 14 70 256 243The thing about this offer is there are too many players involved here. I'd obviously have to drop or swap: Uggla - A fine rookie performance, but which 2B would I have to give up: Jeff Kent or Freddy Sanchez? Nah. Bill Hall is the only one I could consider replacing, but I don't think Uggla is significantly better as a backup. Nick Johnson & Randy Winn - I had these two on my roster before! Do I really need Johnson with Derek Lee, Kent, and Youkilis? I wouldn't mind getting Winn back, though, as my OF is probably the weakest part of my team. PL's trade is actually Capuano for Schmidt. The rest are just tempting red herrings ("1041 fantasy points for only 256!"). Plaw's had a hard-on for Schmidt all season, but Cap's had somewhat better numbers. But again, Schmidt tends to get a little better in the 2nd half while Cap tends to freefall (12-11, 4.97) with a career ERA of 6.14 in August. Milwaukee also gives up a lot more runs than San Fran, which wouldn't help Cap's numbers either. What I need is an OF better than Encarnacion, Thames and Kemp (besides Holliday, who's not available). So, when I get a chance I'll think about a possible counter-offer. Trouble is, PL doesn't have many OF reserves and pretty much NEEDS Winn... unless he has his eyes on a free agent.
I studied Italian for 2 semesters. Not once was a "C" pronounced as a "G", and never was a trailing "I" ignored! And I'm from Jersey! lol Whaddaya want me to do? Whack a guy? Off a guy? Whack off a guy? --Peter Griffin My DVDs | Facebook | Godfather Filming Locations
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Re: Yahoo Fantasy Baseball (Draft Game)
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07/02/06 03:37 PM
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I dunno....
Uggla is better than Hall, Winn is better than at least one of your starting outfielders, and Johnson is better than whoever you're using at utility, so I don't see why you think it's a bad deal.
And why do you think I'd only be willing to give you reserves for Schmidt?
And where do you get the idea that Schmidt improves as the season goes along.
Seems to me the only sure thing about Schmidt is that he goes on the DL every year, and starts to wear down by the end of the season.
He's failed to make 30 starts in 4 of the last 5 seasons
And JL....
You put way to much stock in where a guy was drafted.
What difference does it make that A Rod was the #1 pick?
It's his persformance - which is nowhere near worthy of a #1 pick - that counts.
What I look at is the cost of a replacement.
If I gave up Santana, anyone I replace him with will cost me a lot of points - There are only one or two pitchers even nearly as good as him.
But there are plenty of guys who are real close to A Rod's numbers.
That's what makes Santana worth more than A Rod, IMO.
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Re: Yahoo Fantasy Baseball (Draft Game)
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07/02/06 07:06 PM
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all you guys do is talk, talk, talk...I kind of agree with you plaw. so I'm saying out loud that I am offering Chad Tracy in a lopsided trade with JG (he said he needed an outfielder, right?) if anyone has any interest in getting Tracy, make me an offer everyone has a price, and Tracy's reaaally cheap.
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Re: Yahoo Fantasy Baseball (Draft Game)
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07/02/06 08:33 PM
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Originally posted by Tony Mosrite:
I kind of agree with you plaw. Agree with me or not, I'm flattered that you read all that stuff. I might be interested, but I don't know what to offer you because I don't know what you're looking for in return.
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Re: Yahoo Fantasy Baseball (Draft Game)
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07/02/06 09:20 PM
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Originally posted by plawrence:
And JL....
You put way to much stock in where a guy was drafted.
What difference does it make that A Rod was the #1 pick?
It's his persformance - which is nowhere near worthy of a #1 pick - that counts.
What I look at is the cost of a replacement.
If I gave up Santana, anyone I replace him with will cost me a lot of points - There are only one or two pitchers even nearly as good as him.
But there are plenty of guys who are real close to A Rod's numbers.
That's what makes Santana worth more than A Rod, IMO. This was the start of the season. Are you saying if you had the #1 pick, you would have drafted Santana #1 overall? I don't believe that for a second. If I wanted Santana, I would have traded the #1 pick and taken him. Why Would I take A-Rod, then trade him, Oswalt, and someone else to you for Santana? ...Chavez was damaged goods, and lasted until the 8th round. Why would I want him anyway?
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Re: Yahoo Fantasy Baseball (Draft Game)
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07/02/06 09:40 PM
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Actually, I would have taken Pujols, but that doesn't matter.
As I said several weeks ago, though I think that going into the draft we all underestimated the value of the half a dozen or so top notch SPs.
This is a very general statement, so don't hold me to it exactly, but I think that the difference between A Rod or Pujols and the second or third best player at 1B or 3B is not nearly as great as the difference between the top two SPs and the 3rd and 4th best SPs.
In retrospect, picking where I did, I probably would have been better off taking Santana, and Carpenter (who knew he'd get injured?) or Schmidt or Halladay instead of Tejeda or any other offensive player.
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Re: Yahoo Fantasy Baseball (Draft Game)
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07/02/06 09:49 PM
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That was kinda dumb, since you mentioned it You don't think you underestimated the value of starting pitching, though? (4-0 Mets)
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Re: Yahoo Fantasy Baseball (Draft Game)
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07/03/06 12:29 AM
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Originally posted by Just Lou:
Once again I get burned by stupid rules.
Putz: 2 innings pitched. No Runs, No hits, 3K's, but gets 'credit' for a blown save. :rolleyes:
Hey, at least you can't blame me for that stupid rule. (and next time, please, can we have a "whine alert" if you would?)
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