no time to set my roster

do you want Hanley Ramirez or Chad Tracy or Guillen???

I really thought you'd accept that one.

I don't know what the offer was, since you guys all seem to fail to see the logic in trying to find a better offer when you're considering trading someone, but it doesn't matter.

JG is just too gun-shy to do any trading, it seems.

There is very little interest in this league, in making making decent trades. Which is fine with me since there is little chance I won't still be in first when it is over. :p

"If it ain't broke..." :p

However, since there's only one week left in which I have to endure trade requests from those I'm competing against looking for the crème of my crop... I will consider trades that help me rather than hurt me in the long run.

Sunday (official)

If your offers to him where anything like your offers to me, I don't blame him! :p :p :p :p

Just in case Plaw missed it!

Wait, isn't that a dig at you??!! :p

Sure, but it's an even bigger dig at everyone else...

- Wait, I have __ number of games in hand.

- It only matters who's in first place now.

- But on the contrary, if we project out my games in hand with my statistical average...

- But who's to say that you'll get those scores with your remaining games.

Sorry... I just wanted to save you guys the time. :p

Well, I do have 25 pitching starts in hand with JG - that oughta be worth at least 200-250 points or so - and an offensive average of .29 per game higher than JG - so with about 600 games to go, that ought be worth about 180 points or so....

You guys want to count me out with a third of the season to go because I happen tp trail by a few hundred points, that's fine with me....

Lull you into a false sense of security, maybe?

If I could just get my frakin' bullshitpen straightened out.... :rolleyes:

As far as trades go, you guys keep looking at stuff like "Well, the guy you want has scored more points than the guy you want to give me", without regard to how the trade will affect your total points.

I keep saying this in one form or another, but I'll say it again:

If there is a net gain - based on the player's FPPG averages - that you can expect by replacing the player you trade away with someone from your bench and replacing a guy that you're using with a player that you're acquiring, then it doesn't matter if the player you are acquiring has scored fewer points during the course of the season than the guy you are giving up....


or

If because of position limitations the guy you are trading away doesn't get to hardly play at all, and you can trade him away for a guy who improves you even moderately at another position, that's a deal worth making, even if the guy you trade away has scored more points over the course of the season than the guy you're getting in return.

Here JG….

I’m sending you a trade offer that improves your team by more than you’re giving up, and I bet you don’t accept it.

I can't wait to see this... :p

Just sent it...I got sidetracked with something else.

But I wanna see you tell me that the offer is unfair.

It's just that you're afraid to trade, and you think because you have a 400 lead in raw points, you're nice and safe.

I'm not afraid to trade - I'm just afraid to trade away my best pitchers. :p

Here's my analysis, and why I must say no to you:

PL would trade...

SS Tejada
2B Uggla

...for JG's...

SP Zambrano
2B/3B/SS Hall

First off, that doesn't help me much at all. Sure, Tejada is tempting, but not only would I be losing one of my best SP's and a versatile infielder, I don't even have a need for a SS or 2B with Sanchez (2B/3B/SS), Lugo (SS), and Hall (2B/3B/SS) already. If I played Tejada and Uggla, I'd have to use my everyday Sanchez at Util, which limits me. And need I even have to mention what losing Zambrano would do to my pitching numbers?

Besides, take a look at the numbers and you'll see I would not be "improving my overall team value" much at all:

So not only would I have LOST points the past month, had we done this a month ago, I also have to consider the points I'd LOSE by replacing Zambrano with someone not as good (who could easily wipe out the 68 pts I would've "gained" had we done this on Day 1). Besides, I consider the "what have you done for me lately" (past month) stats more than the season stats.

My strength so far has been pitching (knock on Woody) -- why would I weaken my pitching staff w/o considerably improving my offense?

I also have to think what YOUR motivation is in making this offer. Obviously you're not going to present a trade that doesn't benefit you at all. And why would I want to help improve your team, or any team I'm competing against? :p You have 2 Ace SPs already; why should I (or anyone trying to beat you) give you another one?

However, if you want to show me how I'd be better off accepting this trade, it should be interesting reading...

I started to write something, then realized that what I was gonna say, and implicit in explaining to you how the trade benefits you, also contains some information which might fall into the category of "Strategy Tips".

So I'll just sit with my 25 starts in hand and hope that they turn out to be worth 300 points or so, and hope that my .30 FPPG advantage in offense turns out to be worth another 200 points or so over the next 600 games, and hope that it's all enough to offset your 400 point lead plus or minus whatever the differences are in the unpredictable area of relief pitching.

But I made some notes, and when the season is over I'll explain to you how replacing Zambrano with Tejada would've projected you for more points than than you'd be projected for by not making the trade.

Let's even simplify it....make the deal Zambrano for Tejeda straight up.

BTW, anyone with a SP comparable to Zambrano that wants to trade him for Tejada, lemme know.

Meanwhile, JG, I sent you another offer

Did you even read what I wrote? And why would I give up a good pitcher w/o one in return?

Edit: Okay, so you must've read my mind... hold on.

I'm not answering any more of your questions when the answers contain strategy (I won't even call them "tips", let's call them.....) "ideas"

But if you can't figure out several different sets of circumstances - including this one - in which it would make sense for you to trade away a good pitcher without getting one in return, I ain't gonna tell you.

I think I know what "strategic ideas" you're thinking about... probably something like how I have so many games pitched used up already, that I don't need as many starts down the stretch, blah blah blah. But, all the more reason to make my remaining starts quality starts, no? And Haren doesn't look to have any quality starts in him - shit, I can do better on the waiver wire than him! :p

P.S. I haven't ruled out the possibility of trading another one of my SPs, tho...

Well, who would you trade and who do you want in return?

And if you can do better than Haren from the FA pool, I wish you'd tell me who you can get.....

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I'll just sit with my 25 starts in hand and hope that they turn out to be worth 300 points or so, and hope that my .30 FPPG advantage in offense turns out to be worth another 200 points or so over the next 600 games, and hope that it's all enough to offset your 400 point lead plus or minus whatever the differences are in the unpredictable area of relief pitching.

Regarding Haren, BTW....

Throw out his last 3 starts (0-3, 8.47 E.R.A) and his first 2 in April (0-1, 8.25 E.R.A.)...

And he had a nice stretch of 16 straight starts during which he went 6-5 with an E.R.A. of 2.87

During that stretch he was certainly one of the top 20 or so pitchers in our game, so I still have hope for him.

Even including the 2 starts in April - and if you recall, everyone was pretty much shit in their first 2 starts it seems - he's still 6-6 with a 3.40, which is OK for a 4th or 5th starter (which is where I had him figured - 5th, and if not for injuries to Harden and Patterson he's just a fill-in anyway, and those stats aren't bad for a fill-in).

I know all about injuries are par of the game, etc....all I'm saying is except for his last 3 starts he's had a respectable year, with many quality starts and several outstanding ones.

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I'll just sit with my 25 starts in hand and hope that they turn out to be worth 300 points or so, and hope that my .30 FPPG advantage in offense turns out to be worth another 200 points or so over the next 600 games, and hope that it's all enough to offset your 400 point lead plus or minus whatever the differences are in the unpredictable area of relief pitching.

You sound like his agent. :rolleyes:

Hey....I'm StatMan

BTW, you want him?

Maybe we can work something out where you get Haren (among others) and I get Carpenter.

:rolleyes:

You could use a corner outfielder.....

Anyone on my team is tradeable in the right deal....

None of your corner outfielders are better than mine, except the slumping Dunn. ...And I'm not trading Carpenter to you for him.

You keep callling him the "slumping Dunn"

Meanwhile, his 9th in the whole game in scoring, which is around where he's been all year.

Your case with carpenter is different than JG's case with Zambrano, IMO.

You are not nearly as deep in SPs as JG is, so when you have to move everyone up a notch to replace Carpenter yopu will probably lose more points than you'd gain by replacing whoever with Dunn.

(That's why I'd be willing to give you more than Dunn)

JG does not lose as much because the guy who enters his rotation to replace Carpenter isn't gonna lose him more points than he'll gain by replacing whoever with Tejada, IMO.

(Go ahead, JG -- tell me about Hall's 15 tonight.)