No, you needed to do it for you. :p

I've been doing it for myself for weeks.

So let's see.....

You lead by 271, I think.

Add 247 points to my score.

That gives you (roughly) a 24 point lead.

Now, clearly you are less confident than you were when you led by 500 points, but in reality you're pretty much in the same position.

No, actually you're worse off because my SPs outperformed yours the last three weeks or so, and I got more points on offense than you also, I think.

Not sure about the bullpens.

But at least now you've faced reality.

Yeah, well, I'm still 2nd and you're still 5th. :p

You absolutely refuse to remove your head from the sand, don't you?

OK....have it your way. I give up.

Only raw point totals count, games in hand mean nothing, and you're in second and I'm in 5th.

Where's that ostrich picture?

(Edit: Here 'ya go....)

[img]http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:AE...in%2520sand.jpg[/img]

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When does PL's catch-up begin? Talking about it for weeks and still 400 pts back. :p

Finally! you're beginning to understand...

Finally! you're beginning to understand... [/b][/quote][img]http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:AE...in%2520sand.jpg[/img]

Yeah, I finally understand.... :rolleyes:



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When does PL's catch-up begin? Talking about it for weeks and still 400 pts back.

Well, when you're still in 5th, or maybe even 4th -- a month from now -- then you can explain it to me again. :p (GOD I love how this ruffles your feathers! )

C'mon...do you think I'm so dumb as to think that you don't understand all of this?

You know exactly what the deal is here with projections and games-in-hand and everything - there's nothing for me to explain to you.

I just love a good argument, and I love watching you dig yourself deeper and deeper, waiting with anticipation to see what you'll say when I wind up beating you.

Anyway, here...you'll enjoy this:

According to you, I must have had a good day today, right?

I gained 16 points - and if I can do that every day, I'll wind up beating you by about 400 for the season.

But the way I figure it, I had a bad day.

I only gained 16 points while using up two of my precious extra starts.

If I only gain 8 points per start, I'll wind up losing by about 150 or so.

So how do you figure it, JG?

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When does PL's catch-up begin? Talking about it for weeks and still 400 pts back :p

Upon further review, you know what I think?

I think that 3 or 4 weeks ago you really didn't understand the concept of games-in-hand, and actually thought that your 500 raw point lead had a lot of meaning.

But I think that over the last few weeks, as you've watched your lead shrink at a faster pace than I've used up my extra starts, you have finally come to realize that a 250 point lead is relatively meaningless when the guy chasing you has 18 or 19 extra starts coming.

Hence, your new "fallback" position:

"I knew it all the time. I just wanted to ruffle your feathers." :p

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Saturday (unofficial)

I don't even have much interest in my own team anymore, but I'm looking forward to see what the loser between you two is going to say :p

If I lose to JG it ain't gonna be by much, definitely under 100 points and probably a lot less, so my case about games-in-hand and the relative meaninglessness of a raw points lead will be pretty much proven without me saying anything.

If JG loses, he'll probably say that he knew all the time that he was in trouble, but he was enjoying "ruffling my feathers."

Here you go again. Interminable. :p

3-4 weeks ago I figured what you had "in (your) hand" -- but I also said "one in the hand is worth two in the bush" (wow, the triple entendre! )

I will shut up, ...once you put up. Get outta 5th Place before you start yappin' about how you're gonna win it. :p

It's fun watching "The Pretenders" argue who is better. :p

Here you go again. Interminable.

3-4 weeks ago I figured what you had "in (your) hand" -- but I also said "one in the hand is worth two in the bush" (wow, the triple entendre! )

I will shut up, ...once you put up. Get outta 5th Place before you start yappin' about how you're gonna win it. :p [/b][/quote]Here you go again.....

Yappin' about how I'm in 5th place, when my position today is relatively meaningless.

When I'm out of fifth place I will have "put up"? :rolleyes:

Using raw points as a method for determining who is in the lead is not as meaningful as projected totals

And please don't "shut up" - keep going.

It'll be more fun in the end when I have some more of your silly statments to cite (Wow - alliteration :p ).

And let's clear up just one more thing:

I never said I was gonna win this thing.

I've been projecting JL as the likely winner for quite a while.

All I'm saying here - and all I ever said - was that your huge lead was relatively meaningless, all things considered, and that if you felt that it had any more than a tiny bit of predictive value for how we would end up, you were being illogical, and, that in fact, we were actually so close in reality that I was willing to bet on myself to beat you.

I also truly believe that when we started these discussions you didn't have a complete understanding of the fact that if I have 20 starts in hand I probably have a 50-60% chance of earning around 250 points with them, and while it's true that I also have maybe a 15% chance of falling way short of 250, I have the same chance of greatly exceeding it.

Either that or you're deliberately breaking my balls all this time, which is fine since I enjoy doing some ball-breaking myself now and then, but if that's the case then I have the right to break them back in any manner that I see fit. :p

So take that. :p

Meanwhile, I do notice that you've recently been backing off slightly, as you watch your lead evaporate in exactly the manner in which I expected it to, even, AAMOF, a little bit more quickly.

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Why aren't you at the craps table or something?

Video games? Ugh.....

I got home last night. I'm still on Vegas time. It's 3:30AM, and I'm wide awake.

Come on over....we can play some gin rummy or something

I'm going to have to try and get to sleep. I have to get up fairly early this morning.

I feel like I have jet lag, and I didn't even go anywhere...

Not sure if Yahoo scores are official at this hour or not... but no changes as of yet...

Here 'ya go....

Saturday Scores (Official)
JL seems to think he has everything under control, and he very well may.......
Here's a question: Which will happen first? JG falling to 3rd, or PL moving up to 4th?.......with DB making a big move, and TM losing interest and fading, that could go either way.......
Then there are the non-players....... LZ, DM, and DJ.......Why do I have the feeling, though, that we're gonna be hearing from some of them soon?.......
Not sure where to classify CC......."player" or "non"?

Now that the season is almost over, let's see what moves we made were good, and which ones were bad. Here are mine:

Best draft pick(s): Beltran RD 3, Reyes RD 5, *Howard RD 11.
Worst pick(s): A-Rod #1 overall.
Best trade(s): F. Rodriquez for J. Smoltz.
Worst trade(s): N/A
Best waiver move(s): Weaver, Putz, and Saito
Worst move(s): *Releasing Howard in April

PL moving up to 4th. I'm running out of everything (pitching starts, offensive games, bullpen pts). that was such a promising season and now I'm dead over. I hate to agree, with all those starts "in hand", PL is going to catch me this week. it could be today if Wang didn't screw us.

Looks like the -16 I'm gonna get from JG's old Wang is gonna be offset by the -17 that JG's Adam Wainwright put up.

Phew.

Once again, though, since I'm using up one of my starts in hand, unless I finsh the day at least 13-14 points ahead, JG has the advantage over me for the day.

I still have a load of guys eligible in each category.

Even best trade.

Biggio ofr Capuano was pretty good, but Capu really didn't do that much for me.

Glavine and some scrubeenies for Halladay was better.

Did someone call me? A few times since I've been back (a week ago), I've thought about moving my team around, but looking at my scores, I think I'm doing pretty damn good for not playing. So I said screw it. I'm gonna go see if there's any damage I can do now, though.

I barely ever go to my team page though, so if anyone's proposing a trade or anything, drop me a PM here so I'll go check.

Sunday (official)
Last night it said I had 53 pts...

since I acquired Ramon Hernandez, McCann has been playing like a triple crown winner :rolleyes:

Monday (official)

NOTE FROM THE COMISSIONER:

Now that we're about 3/4 of the way through the season....

We have a limit of 162 games started by starting pitchers.

What I'm gonna suggest, since we have to police ourselves on this (and if anyone has a better idea, I'm open to suggestions) is the following:

-- As you get close to the 162 game limit -159, 160, 161 - please do not have the number of SPs in your starting lineup for the following day that will take you over the 162 game limit.

In other words, if Monday just ended and you are at 161, please do not schedule 2 SPs for Tuesday. Schedule only one.

-- If you go over the limit, then on the day that you do I will deduct from your total score the highest scoring game or games on the day you went over the limit.

In other words, if Monday just ended and you are at 161 and you schedule 3 SPs for Tuesday, I will deduct the two highest scoring games on Tuesday from your total score.

This should give everyone the incentive to hit 162 right on the nose, and will eliminate the need for additional bookkeeping to keep track of deductions.

As I say, though, if anyone has a better idea, I'm open to suggestions.