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Re: 2006 Baseball Challenge (Salary Cap Game) #273289
04/10/06 07:09 PM
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Freakin' StL just had to throw two extra runs on top - but I shouldn't complain, because this is incredible pitching compared to what I've been having.

BBC's only counting two ER, but GameDay has four, by the way...anyone know who's correct?

Re: 2006 Baseball Challenge (Salary Cap Game) #273290
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According to the play-by-play, the runs should be earned.

Milwaukee - Top of 9th Score
Mark Mulder pitching for St. Louis

G Jenkins singled to center.

B Looper relieved M Mulder.

C Lee grounded into double play, second to shortstop to first, G Jenkins out at second.

B Hall doubled to deep left.

R Weeks singled to center, B Hall scored.

J Isringhausen relieved B Looper.

R Weeks to second on fielder's indifference.

P Fielder singled to right, R Weeks scored.

C Koskie hit for D Miller.

P Fielder to second on fielder's indifference.

C Koskie walked.

G Gross hit for D Kolb.

G Gross grounded out to first.

2 Runs, 4 Hits, 0 Errors


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Re: 2006 Baseball Challenge (Salary Cap Game) #273291
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That's what I was afraid of.

Plaw, does this mean y'all will change the score yourselves, for those of us who had StL? And if so, will you have to remember that the entire season?

I'm wondering what I should do for my group, because I know several other people also had the Cards.

Re: 2006 Baseball Challenge (Salary Cap Game) #273292
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Plaw...(please be online)...I see that the ER were accounted for, but now, many of us (in my group, as well as just me in ours) are out of order in the standings - if I went by our totals, we'd be in a completely different order.

Does this has something to do with StL? What should I do, because I'm trying to record the scores before school...?

Re: 2006 Baseball Challenge (Salary Cap Game) #273293
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I believe that ESPN has corrected the scores to reflect the fact that the runs are earned.

So despite the incorrect "order" in which they have everyone, why not just go by the correct point totals and put everyone in their correct position?

Or am I misunderstanding you?


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Re: 2006 Baseball Challenge (Salary Cap Game) #273294
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Quote:
Originally posted by ginaitaliangirl:
does this mean y'all will change the score yourselves, for those of us who had StL? And if so, will you have to remember that the entire season?
Just for future reference, GG.....

ESPN usually displays no scores at all from about 3:00 AM until about 5:30, when they come out with the "official scores".

There have been many, many occasions when the score(s) you may have seen at 1:30 or 2:00 AM were different than the official scores later.

There has never been, at least to the best of my knowledge since we've all been playing, a case in which there was an incorrect scoring decision that was not corrected during that two hour interval in the morning, but I guess there's a first time for everything.

There have been one or two cases in the past when ESPN screwed up (most notably in 2004 when they weren't prepared for leap year and decided not to count the basketball scores for February 29th), and it has always been my position that just because ESPN screws up and makes an incorrect scoring decision, that we are under no obligation to follow that decision ourselves.

In this case, had ESPN not corrected St. Louis's pitching score to reflect the fact that the runs were seemingly earned, I first would have made 1000% sure that the runs were, in fact, earned, by checking other sources.

If it turned out that the runs were earned, and ESPN was not correcting the mistake, then "Yes"; I would have argued that we should manually correct the scores ourselves to reflect six fewer points for the St. Louis-takers, and simply remembered to deduct them at the end of the game.

I'm sure if those six points made a difference in the final scores, the people who didn't have St. Louis yesterday would have been sure to remember to deduct them, so remembering wouldn't have been a problem.

Bottom line:

For my money, the integrity of the game and the scores is of paramount importance.

If ESPN fails to correct a mistake that we are aware of, we are under no obligation to go along with that mistake if we are aware of it and can correct it.

Had that happened in this case, though, you personally would've been operating with the handicap of being the organizer of your league and then trying to alter the "official" scoring only nine days after the game started.

That would have been mitigated, I guess, by the fact that presumably you had St. Louis in your league at school as well, so in this particular case making the correct decision would have cost you points, and everyone would be able to see that you were not simply acting out of your own self interest (assuming that you did deduct the points from yourself).

Imagine if it had been the other way around and you were in the position of having to try and deduct points from someone else in your league and having to explain all this crap.


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Re: 2006 Baseball Challenge (Salary Cap Game) #273295
04/11/06 08:16 AM
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Monday Scores & Tuesday's Probable Pitchers
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CC   357  StL (13) 38  395  Ari  Hernandez  1-0  1.80
JG   333  Det (12) 57  390  Bos  Beckett    1-0  1.29
TM   303  CWS (20) 55  358  Cle  Lee        0-0  5.06
PL   298  StL (12) 53  351  Oak  Haren      0-0  6.00 
DB   298  Pit (-9) 46  344  Bos 
DC   284  Det (12) 51  335  Bos  
JL   281  Pit (-9) 14  295  Min  Radke      1-0  6.00 
GG   276  StL (12) 47  323  Bos 
LZ   249  DNP (00) 20  269  Cle 
SC   168  Hou (27) 54  222  Oak 
           
 


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Re: 2006 Baseball Challenge (Salary Cap Game) #273296
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Quote:
Originally posted by plawrence:

There have been many, many occasions when the score(s) .......

......For my money, the integrity of the game and the scores is of paramount importance.......

..... you personally would've been operating with the handicap of being the organizer of your league ....

.......That would have been mitigated, I guess, by the fact that presumably you had St. Louis.....
Does he ramble like this every year in every league that he is in? :p :p

Ahh, I guess that we all love him and that is why we tolerate these posts.


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Re: 2006 Baseball Challenge (Salary Cap Game) #273297
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Sheesh, you're a tough one to please....

First you complain about not getting an explanation about what "Missed doubleheader" meant, when any reasonable person would figure that you knew what missing a doubleheader was all about since they make a special point of mentioning the importance of doubleheaders in the scoring rules.

Then, when someone specifically asks for an explanation regarding a specific situation, you complain aout my taking the time to give them one.

I guess some people are just never satisfied.

Besides...

Quote:
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Ahh, I guess that we all love him and that is why we tolerate these posts.
I don't see where you have too much choice :p .


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Re: 2006 Baseball Challenge (Salary Cap Game) #273298
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Re: 2006 Baseball Challenge (Salary Cap Game) #273299
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Adam Dunn is a hon.


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Re: 2006 Baseball Challenge (Salary Cap Game) #273300
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I second that emotion.

Plus, I have him in Yahoo also.


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Re: 2006 Baseball Challenge (Salary Cap Game) #273301
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Apparently, they're throwing batting practice out there in Wrigley.

Re: 2006 Baseball Challenge (Salary Cap Game) #273302
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I'm sorry I couldn't make it here sooner to defend Plaw (without any prompting... :p ) regarding his detailed explanation.

I always appreciate his lengthy posts - they give me a much better understanding of the game, and I think it's nice he takes the time to write them. He might be a fantasy addict/windbag, but he's good at it.

Plaw, thanks for all of the info. I figured it wouldn't be good to trust any scores until the morning, and I've been checking them about 5:30 everyday. I did just what you suggested - I just put everyone in order, myself - but I'm still hoping that the standings will be correct by tomorrow. It's not so much that it's important to me, personally, but I'm sure it'll create confusion for the others. I was so grateful that the StL runs were added on - I know exactly what you mean about having to explain all of this to everyone, and how terrible it would've been if it was an advantage for me. I'm already having to defend myself in every other aspect of the game, as people refuse to give up on the idea that I'm "cheating."

As if I'm even in a position to give tips ( :rolleyes: ), I wrote an entire "Tips" page, along with my "How to Play" page for the web site so that nobody would be at a disadvantage, and I don't think a single person has read any of it. But considering one of the players has maintained a spot near the top ten, simply by choosing the players with the funniest names...I guess there isn't much sense to our group.

Re: 2006 Baseball Challenge (Salary Cap Game) #273303
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Give your friend this team... Tell him it's the "GangsterBB special".

C - John Buck
1B - Albert Pujols
2B - Homer Bush
3B - Vinny Castilla
SS - Pokey Reese
LF - Larry Bigbie
CF - Willy Taveras
RF - Rocco Baldelli (sounds like a Godfather character)
DH - Jim Thome (our homey)
PS - Yankees (Wang, Johnson, Small, etc...)

:p

Re: 2006 Baseball Challenge (Salary Cap Game) #273304
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Not sure she'd understand, but I'm sure she'd take it...

I doubt any of you will use her "strategy," so let me just post one of her lineups:

C Geronimo Gil
1B Mark Teixeira
2B Placido Polanco
3B Ty Wigginton
SS Juan Uribe
LF Ryan Langerhans
CF Chris Duffy
RF Jeff Francoeur
DH Dallas McPherson

You get the idea... :p

It drives the rest of us crazy, because we're spending time researching, checking stats, etc., and she sometimes ends up with more points than us!

Re: 2006 Baseball Challenge (Salary Cap Game) #273305
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...and there it goes another spot in the standings....

it seems that today was "Adam Dunn's Day" and nobody told me, right?

also, I threw away 12 pts in the draft game even spending the WHOLE last couple of days in front of the pc


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Re: 2006 Baseball Challenge (Salary Cap Game) #273306
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Quote:
Originally posted by Don Sicilia:
Give your friend this team... Tell him it's the "GangsterBB special".

C - John Buck
1B - Albert Pujols
2B - Homer Bush
3B - Vinny Castilla
SS - Pokey Reese
LF - Larry Bigbie
CF - Willy Taveras
RF - Rocco Baldelli (sounds like a Godfather character)
DH - Jim Thome (our homey)
PS - Yankees (Wang, Johnson, Small, etc...)

:p
LOL

You forgot Rich Harden, Nookie Logan, and the infamous breakfast cereal guy, Coco Crisp.


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Re: 2006 Baseball Challenge (Salary Cap Game) #273307
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Code:
C- Danny  Ardion
1B- Lance Berkman
2B- Omar  Infante
3B- Troy  Glaus
SS- Neifi Perez
CF- Jim   Edmonds
RF- Trot  Nixon
LF- Raul  Ibanez
DH- Mike  Sweeney  


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Re: 2006 Baseball Challenge (Salary Cap Game) #273308
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What's that, DM?


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Re: 2006 Baseball Challenge (Salary Cap Game) #273309
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I am utterly ashamed of myself for catching that one.

You guys have ruined me.

Re: 2006 Baseball Challenge (Salary Cap Game) #273310
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Tuesday Scores & Wednesday's Probable Pitchers
Code:
 
        
CC   395  Ari (04) 54  449  LAA  Escobar   1-0  1.50
JG   390  Bos (17) 42  432  LAA  
TM   358  Cle (16) 43  401  NYM  Martinez  1-0  6.00
PL   351  Oak (-1) 44  395  NYM 
DB   344  Bos (17) 37  381  NYM 
DC   335  Bos (17) 35  370  NYM
GG   323  Bos (17) 36  359  StL  Marquis    1-0  3.38
JL   295  Min (10) 52  347  NYM 
LZ   269  Cle (16) 36  305  Cle  Byrd       1-0  7.50
SC   222  Oak (-1) 18  240  StL
           
 


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Re: 2006 Baseball Challenge (Salary Cap Game) #273311
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All the "cream" hasn't risen here yet....



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Re: 2006 Baseball Challenge (Salary Cap Game) #273312
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No, there are still a few "movements" that I think we can reasonably expect to see.


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Re: 2006 Baseball Challenge (Salary Cap Game) #273313
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Quote:
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No, there are still a few "movements" that I think we can reasonably expect to see.
Probably right. Realizing I missed Pedro Martinez today caused a bm.


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Re: 2006 Baseball Challenge (Salary Cap Game) #273314
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Brian Roberts couldn't put a little more oomf into his swing and give me that grand slam? Would it have killed him?


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I should have gone with my first instinct last time that told me to take Maddux.

Even I don't listen to me.


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Re: 2006 Baseball Challenge (Salary Cap Game) #273316
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Thursday
HOU @ SF D/H (...maybe, at the rate they're going)

Everyone caught the D/H except the last two.
Everyone has HOU PS, and Berkman.
Everyone has Biggio except Plaw, w/ Durham.
Everyone has Vizquel except Plaw, w/ Everett.
Everyone has Wilson except CC & TM w/ Bonds. (?)
Otherwise:
Code:
 
              
       C        3B       LF      CF     RF     DH
        
CC   Ausmus   Feliz    Bonds   Willy   Alou  Finley
JG   Greene   Ensberg  Wilson  (Sully) Alou  (Hafner)
TM   Ausmus   Ensberg  Bonds   Winn    Lane  Finley
PL   (Ross)   Feliz    Wilson  Winn    Lane  (Ortiz)
DB   Ausmus   Ensberg  Wilson  Winn    Alou  (Homey)
DC   (VMart) (Wright)  Wilson  (Repko) Alou  (Marrero)
JL   (Castro) Ensberg  Wilson  Willy   Lane  (Gomes)
GG   Ausmus   Ensberg  Wilson  Winn    Alou  (Homey) 
LZ   Yeah, baseball season already.....  :/
SC   Not playing either.... 
           
 



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Re: 2006 Baseball Challenge (Salary Cap Game) #273317
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Quote:
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Everyone caught the D/H except the last two.
Stupid... stupid... stupid.

I marked the DH on my calendar yesterday and I STILL forgot to make the picks.

Looks like me and Zia will be fightin' to see who gets on bottom.


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Re: 2006 Baseball Challenge (Salary Cap Game) #273318
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Wednesday Scores & Thursday's Probable Pitchers
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CC  449  LAA (-2)  36  485  Hou  Oswalt  1-0  3.14 & Backe  1-0  1.50
JG  432  LAA (-2)  35  467  Hou  
TM  401  NYM (26)  62  463  Hou
PL  395  NYM (26)  51  446  Hou
DB  381  NYM (26)  55  436  Hou 
DC  370  NYM (26)  56  426  Hou 
GG  359  StL (21)  55  414  Hou
JL  347  NYM (26)  64  411  Hou
LZ  305  Cle (-18) 15  320  Cle  Johnson  1-0  0.00
SC  240  StL (21)  59  299  NYY  Johnson  1-1  2.40
           
 
I'm telling you guys.....this year's game is gonna be a great one.

With only 74 points separating the top eight places and everyone seemingly knowing what they are doing and capable of putting together a hot few days hot streak, I don't see anyone pulling away.

I worry only about TM and his long history of missing days; and SC, for fear that his late start will be too much of a handicap for him to overcome, what with eight dedicated players in front of him.
As far as LZ is concerned, I don't have a clue.


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