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Re: 2006 Baseball Challenge (Salary Cap Game)
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Here's the Leaderboard Pitching Staff Breakdown for today, as posted by someone on the ESPN Message Board (so I don't vouch for its accuracy). White Sox 19
Mets 16
Yanks 6
Tigers 2
Nationals 2
Dodgers 1
D'backs 1
Brewers 1
Twins 1 Now while I certainly don't expect anyone in our league to divulge any of their pitching staff picking strategies, I'm mystified as to why no one on the Leaderboard and only CC (besides myself) in our group took St. Louis and Carpenter. 
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Re: 2006 Baseball Challenge (Salary Cap Game)
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05/04/06 11:51 AM
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That's interesting about Carp. I picked Glavine cuz he's pitching against a poorer team at home... or maybe it's cuz I have Carp on my draft team and didn't wanna jinx him!  Let's see what Vegas has to say... Leaderboard PS Breakdown w/ Betting Lines: White Sox 19 -165
Mets 16 -200 2nd Daily Favorite
Yanks 6 -225 Daily Favorite
Tigers 2 -145
Nationals 2 -165
Dodgers 1 -140
D'backs 1 -110
Brewers 1 -140
Twins 1 -140
Cardinals -115
Worst Matches -105 Philly, Cinci, OakNo faith in Carp in this matchup I guess... My "source" actually estimates it to be closer to +106! ...and only -141 for Da Mutts.
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Re: 2006 Baseball Challenge (Salary Cap Game)
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My sportsbook has St. Louis -130, and the Mets -200.
For those of you iin the dark about how sports betting works, this means that if you want to bet on the Cards you have to put up $1.30 for every $1.00 you hope to win, and if you want to bet on the Mets, you have to risk $2.00 to win $1.00
The Mets are playing Pittsburgh, who are +180.
Since the Pirates are the underdog, this means you only have to risk $1.00 to win $1.80
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Re: 2006 Baseball Challenge (Salary Cap Game)
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I focking knew there was something wrong with St. Louis and Carpenter yesterday after no one picked them, but I'll be damned, because I still can't figure out what. Thursday's Scores & Friday's Probables & Standings TM 1493 CWS (26) 51 1544 Bos Schilling 5-1 2.88
DB 1463 CWS (26) 56 1519 Ari Webb 4-2 2.22
CC 1450 StL (11) 32 1482 Bos
GG^ 1419 CWS (26) 62 1481 Hou Buchholz 3-0 1.71
PL 1440 StL (11) 33 1473 Bos
JL 1368 NYM (40) 76 1444 Bos
DC 1357 NYM (40) 80 1437 Tor Chacin 4-1 4.70
JG 1332 NYM (40) 76 1408 Det Rogers 4-2 2.59
SC 1151 NYY (10) 44 1195 Bos
LZ 1025 Bos (13) 38 1063 Bos Fueled by the Mets 40, it was a great day yesterday for DC, JL, and JG. But some potential bites in the ass today, with DC again going with the dubious Chacin, and GG taking Buchholz at Colorado....
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Re: 2006 Baseball Challenge (Salary Cap Game)
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Originally posted by Don Sicilia: Oh boy... Lone wolf...  I'm gonna get you my pretty. Oh wait, that's from Wizard of Oz, not Little Red Riding hood. 
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Re: 2006 Baseball Challenge (Salary Cap Game)
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Considering that among the nine of us we used five different pitching staffs yesterday, and the PS scores ranged from 6 to 26, yesterday's scores were in an unusually narrow range, going from 42 to 57. "Lone Wolf" DB winds up with he high PS score for the day (26). That's the way you win this game, silly -- no worrying next time :rolleyes: :p . Meanwhile, slumps by PL and CC continue, DC escapes with Chacin again, "Houston Homer" GG gets badly burned by Baby Buchholz (Hey, that's what you get for going with a pitcher at Coors, silly), JL continues to quietly climb, "Lone Wolf" JG continues to tread water, and everyone waits for TM to miss a few days already. SC gamely tries to make up for his three-day late start (at least he plays every day), while LZ still has everyone wondering why she even bothered in the first place. :p  Friday's Scores & Saturday's Probables & Standings TM 1544 Bos (19) 53 1597 Det Bonderman 4-2 3.99
DB 1519 Ari (26) 52 1571 CWS Vazquez 3-2 3.00
CC 1482 Bos (19) 43 1525 Cin Arroyo 5-1 2.06
GG 1481 Hou (06) 42 1523 Hou Rodriguez 5-1 2.61
PL 1473 Bos (19) 50 1523 CWS
JL 1444 Bos (19) 52 1496 Oak Zito 2-4 4.63
DC 1437 Tor (19) 57 1494 Cin
JG 1408 Det (06) 44 1452 CWS
SC 1195 Bos (19) 49 1244 Cin
LZ 1063 Bos (19) 44 1107 Bos Wakefield 2-4 3.89
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Re: 2006 Baseball Challenge (Salary Cap Game)
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05/06/06 08:18 AM
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Originally posted by plawrence On April 25th:
[b]DC's Chacin pick today is at least questionable.... [/b] Final Result : Chacin sores 21 points. Originally posted by plawrence on May 4th: I'm mystified as to why no one on the Leaderboard and only CC (besides myself) in our group took St. Louis and Carpenter. Final Result : Carpenter 11 points, Glavine 40 points. Originally posted by plawrence on May 5th: But some potential bites in the ass today, with DC again going with the dubious Chacin, Originally posted by plawrence:
[b]DC escapes with Chacin again, [/b] Final Result : Chacin scores 19 points. Maybe we should start calling you "Paul Lupica from now on. Or would you prefer Plaw The Greek? :p Don Cardi 
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Re: 2006 Baseball Challenge (Salary Cap Game)
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05/06/06 08:57 AM
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Well, I said I was mystified why no one took Carpenter that day. Still am, too. As far as yesterday's Cacin pick goes, you did OK because Toronto scored the same 19 as Boston with Schilling did and you saved a few cap points with Toronto, but the pick itself was nothing to be particularly proud of. There were 7 pitching staffs that did better than Toronto did yesterday, and 3 that did as well, and of the 10 there were 6 (KC, TB, Colo, Ariz, Wash, and SD) that were less expensive than Toronto. DB is the guy who deserves the credit for making a great PS pick yesterday. Anyway, here's something else that I don't understand: How come I'm the only one in this game that's interested in putting their money up to back thier judgement? Call me whatever you want to (altho, quite honestly, I don't understand the Mike Lupica reference), but since I'm the only one here willing to play for money, I think I have the right to assume that I'm the best "real life" handicapper. Why? Because as a "real life" gambler yourself, DC, I'm sure you'll agree with me that it's one thing to pick Chacin for free, but if you were playing this game for real money you might not be so quick to take him. I know that's the case because I play this game exactly the way I would if it were for money - no reason not to since, as you know, I take these games quite seriously - but I can give you another example which makes my point. I think I've mentioned that every year for the past 20+ or so I've been in a "Pick Every Game Each Week" Football Pool with about 100 other people - $10 a week, $2500 first prize, $2000 second prize, etc. My usual strategy in that game is to pick a ton of underdogs (since most people who aren't very knowledgable tend to pick favorites and, as you know, any pool for $10 a week with 100 people in it is gonna have a lot of players who are not very knowledgable) and hope, at least to some degree, to get lucky. It's a strategy that's served me well over the years, since I won the whole thing twice, finished second once, and last once (for which you also get a few hundred bucks), not to mention several other "in the money" finishes which I've lost track of. BUT - and it's a big "BUT" - in the years that I've also been betting the games individually I tend to be a lot more careful nad conservative with my picks. Not that I necessarily pick more favorites or anything, just that I pay closer attention to what's going on and, since I don't have to bet on every game, generally wind up with a higher winning percentage on the 6 or 7 games that I do actually risk maybe $50 or $100 on than I do on my overall winning percentage for all 16 games (altho that has not been the case in the years I won or finished second because for the most part I got lucky). Originally posted by Don Cardi:
Final Result : Chacin scores 19 points Oh, and just for the record, BTW.... It wasn't Chacin who scored 19 points, it was the Toronto pitching staff. Chacin pitched 5.1 innings, and even giving him credit for the 5 points for the win, he himself scored only 11 points. OK, but nothing spectacular. The Toronto bullpen picked up the other 8 points in 3.2 IPs - a better rate of production even without the 5 extra points for the win. And I'm still waiting for the first person ever to state that they consider a team's bullpen and not just the starting pitcher that day when making their PS selection.
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Re: 2006 Baseball Challenge (Salary Cap Game)
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05/06/06 11:52 AM
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Rats.....  Another one who I can't try and take money from.  Even when I offer a spot, or odds, or even both....  I guess my past performances in these games speak for themselves.  I know, I know, DC....you're playing just for "the fun of it". I understand perfectly - FS taught me all that stuff in years past ( :p ) - but I still say I'd like to see you take Chacin instead of Schilling if there is money on the line.
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Re: 2006 Baseball Challenge (Salary Cap Game)
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LOL! We'll talk about money come football and Hockey season. I very rarely bet on Baseball. As for FS teaching you all that stuff in the past, well Apple has also taught me a thing or two about dealing with you And yes, you are correct, had I been placing a real wager, I probably would have put my money on a much better pitcher than Chacin. But this is not for money, it's for fun. And being that I figured everyone else and their uncle would pick the best pitcher out there, I decided, based on where I was in the standings, that I would take a shot with another pitcher that everyone else was less likely to pick, in hopes that I would pick up some ground. Sort of like the strategy that you just said you use in your football pool. Don Cardi
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Re: 2006 Baseball Challenge (Salary Cap Game)
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05/06/06 01:50 PM
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Well, let’s take these points one by one, shall we?
The first time you took Chacin, I said
DC’s Chacin pick today is at least questionable
And then I said
Chacin wasn't a bad pick, it was just -as I said - "questionable", given the pitchers who were going yesterday who are clearly much better than he is.
To which you replied
Your opinion, that's all.
Then I said
the fact is, it was a questionable pick, unless you knew something that probably 99% of the people playing this game didn't know.
To which you replied
Could be!
Then I said
There's always the possibility that your Chacin pick was the result of what in these games we call "going unpredicatable", a situation in which someone is so far behind that they feel the only way to make up ground is by making picks that they [i]know no one else will be making (like Chacin), and hoping that they get lucky and have a good day (which Chacin did), while everyone else's "better" picks have a bad day (like Schilling, Peavy, and Willis did). [/i]
To which you replied
Possibly! But then again we still haven't even gotten out of April yet
Now….
What I gather from that exchange – particularly your last comment – “we still haven't even gotten out of April yet” - is that the first time you picked Chacin you were not attempting to be unpredictable, as it was too early (“we still haven’t even gotten out of April yet”) for such a strategy to be necessary.
Yet here we are, in Chacin’s very next start, with you now saying that
this is not for money, it's for fun. And being that I figured everyone else and their uncle would pick the best pitcher out there, I decided, based on where I was in the standings, that I would take a shot with another pitcher that everyone else was less likely to pick, in hopes that I would pick up some ground.
Sort of like the strategy that you just said you use in your football pool.[i]
So your strategy changed in one week, now that we’re out of April?
Now, as far as the money vs. fun thing is concerned:
This is basically the same discussion that we had during the hockey season, and I still fail to understand why anyone would play the game any differently for “fun” than for money.
If you sit down with your kids to play Monopoly, do you play the game any differently because you are playing for “fun”?
Don’t you employ the same strategies that you would if you were playing someone else for money?
Don’t you play to win, whether you’re playing for money or not?
Isn’t it the same with [i]any game you might play?
I mean, it seems to me that the strategies for winning a game are dictated by the game itself and not by whether you are playing the game for fun or for money.
The strategy I employ in my football pool is different than the strategy I employ in trying to pick individual winners ia different because the game itelf is different.
In one case, all I have to do to win the game is come out with an overall winning percentage of .524 or better at the end of the season.
In the pool, a .524 winning percentage won’t win me a thing at the end of the season because against 100 people I need a winning percentage of somewhere around 60% or better at season’s end to “win” the game.
Different game, different strategies.
But in this game, with only ten people playing, I can’t imagine why your strategy would be any different regardless of if you were playing for money or not.
Unless, as I suggested the first time you picked Chacin, that because you were behind you were going “unpredictable” in an attempt to gain ground.
But you rejected that suggestion, saying it was too early to employ such a strategy, yet a week later you were saying that perhaps you were doing so.
That’s what has me confused.
Now, as far as your suggestion that “Apple has also taught me a thing or two about dealing with you”, I would only say that that’s about as ridiculous an idea as it sounds.
If you are using her help in learning how deal with me, well, you have my sympathies.
When I compare you to FS, it’s different.
I’m only saying that he employed the same arguments as you do.
Finally, please don't be insulted with me kidding you about not wanting to play this game for money against me.
I know exactly why you won't:
For exactly the same reason why I wouldn't bet on hockey against you.
(Excuse any typos here; I didn't proof this little essay)
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Re: 2006 Baseball Challenge (Salary Cap Game)
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So your strategy changed in one week, now that we’re out of April?
Maybe it did. Maybe I changed my strategy once the first month of the season went by and I did not move up in the standing that much. But whatever my reasons, they are MY reasons and in no way should I have to be made to feel that I have to explain all of my moves to you when playing a game that is supposed to be played for both enjoyment and fun. Tell you what, if you were paying me $2 Mil a season to mangage the team, then yes, I would be more than happy to expalin my strategies or reasons for doing things the way that I do to you. But until then, I wish to play this game for what it is, a game to be enjoyed and have some fun with. So until you write me that check, I will continue to do things as I see fit without having to explain myself to you, ok Mr. Steinbrenner? :p If you sit down with your kids to play Monopoly, do you play the game any differently because you are playing for “fun”?
Absolutely. If I sit down with my kids to play a game I do so with the intent to enjoy the game and more importantly to enjoy the company and the time that I am spending with my kids. To win is not important to me, to enjoy their company and time and to have fun is what's important to me. Don’t you employ the same strategies that you would if you were playing someone else for money?
Of course not. If I am playing with my kids or really anybody who is a friend for that matter, it is not so important for me to prove to anyone that I am the best. So I would not try to beat up on them or comment on every move that they may make. Those kinds of strategies when playing a game for fun, with family and friends, and especially with your children, are not needed because it takes the fun out of playing with them and only serves to either fuel a selfish ego, or to pamper one's own insecurities. Now of course if I am playing a game for money, my approach, attitude, strategies and moves are going to be more calculative and strategic. But your talking money here, and not talking about spending time with friends and family to do something for the sheer enjoyment of having fun spending time playing something that you all enjoy doing together. Don’t you play to win, whether you’re playing for money or not?
Of course we all play to win when playing a game. But I also prioritize the time I may spend and the energies that I may use playing that game based on if other things that are going on in my life at the time are more important to me than winning what is just a game. Hey, should I tell my family that we can't go on a cruise for 2 weeks because I need to win at fantasy baseball and may not be able to get on the internet while on a ship, just because I am playing to win in the league? I don't think so. Isn’t it the same with any game you might play?
Well for me, no, not really. If my daughter's softball team, which I coach, loses because one of the kids forgot that there was only one out and got doubled off of third and the game ended because of it and we lost, I am not going to sit her down the next game so that we have a better chance of winning. No way. That to me, would be trying to win at the cost of a kid's confidence. So the answer is no, it is not the same with any game that I might play. Yes, I love to win, like anyone else, but it is not a top priority to me no matter what game I am playing or managing (speaking non monetarily here). It's the fun, the learning experience, and as I said above, the enjoyment of having fun with friends. Finally, please don't be insulted with me kidding you about not wanting to play this game for money against me. I know exactly why you won't: For exactly the same reason why I wouldn't bet on hockey against you.
Touche on the reasons for not betting. And I wasn't insulted at all by that. I decided to play, after your invitation, in these games because I thought that it would be nice, and be fun to play in a game that others here, who I consider friends, are also palying in. Maybe I decided to play for all the wrong reasons. Don Cardi
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Re: 2006 Baseball Challenge (Salary Cap Game)
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Well, OK, maybe the idea of using the concept of playing games with your kids was a bad example. I guess when mine was younger and we used to play Monopoly or Risk or something I didn't really care if I won or lost and the main thing was having fun. (No, I didn't get all pissed off when a twelve-year old beat my pants off in chess. The kid was taking a chess class in school, after all.) But here, in these games, in which we are not playing for money --- Sure, we're supposed to have fun playing --- (Hell, I absolutely wouldn't play if I wasn't having fun. That's why although I entered the Golf Game, and the NASCAR Game, and the Bass Fishing Game with the best of intentions, I stopped playing. I know almost nothing about golf, and absolutely nothing about NASCAR or bass fishing, and playing those games simply was not fun for me.) --- But what is there to play for here if not the glory of winning? And I quite honestly can't see for the life of me why anyone would ever play the game any differently just because there was no money at stake. Let's look at it from the standpoint of the non-gambler. I don't think JG or DB or CC or SC or DMC would play the game any differently if there was money at stake. I believe that they all enjoy the game, all would like to win, and all do their best to make the moves that they think are the correct ones that will lead to them winning. Even the idea of what we call "going unpredictable" is a perfectly legitimate strategy to employ even if we were playing for money, which is what makes me believe that you are, in fact, playing the ame way as you would if there were money at stake even though you may not realize it. Here's what I mean; Something I have seen hundreds of times at the poker table, involving two completely different ways of dealing with losing: One player who is losing will suddenly start to play more loosely than he ordinarily would in the hopes of getting lucky and recouping his losses. That's roughly akin to being behind in this game and picking a guy like Chacin instead of Schilling. It's like playing with a pair of fives against a pair of Kings, hoping that your lesser hand will get lucky and beat the superior hand, which occasionally it will. Meanwhile another player, faced with mounting losses, may start playing even more conservatively than he might ordinarily, hoping to stop the bleeding and begin a recovery. With respect to the rest of what you said, about "...whatever my reasons, they are MY reasons and in no way should I have to be made to feel that I have to explain all of my moves to you...." Of course you don't owe me any explanations. But I was merely bringing up a point about what was seemingly an inconsistency in your strategy. Hell, we've had discussions like that about strategy in this game among myself and JG and DB (and more recently DMC) for four years already. Don't you think you got a little bit defensive there and are taking this whole thing rather personally? I mean, obviously you are not as interested in the game as I am, but if you were you could feel free to ask me anything at all that you wished to about my strategy and I'd be happy to either discuss it all day long, or simply say that I don't wish to discuss it because it would involve divulging certain stratagems that I follow that I don't want to reveal. But I would never make a George Steinbrenner speech like you did. :p And I'm gonna say this just one more time, to make sure that you understand exactly where I'm coming from with regard to you and FS: It's all that stuff about playing the game for the right or wrong reasons, and how winning doesn't matter, and just wanting to play for the fun of it, and how all the other things that got mentioned (in his case grass cutting and flower-basket-hangining, and grilling, and a nice cold beer on a hot summer day) that are more important than fantasy sports, that REMIND me of FS. Don't get insulted; In no way am I comparing him to you.
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Re: 2006 Baseball Challenge (Salary Cap Game)
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When you hear the phrase "Cream Rising", DB is the man who most usually think of, and this season has been no exception for the usually slow-starting "Man With The Ice Water In His Veins", as he takes over first place sparked by a second place performance this week of 288 points (or 48.0 FPPG), despite yesterday's somewhat lacklustre performance. Meanwhile, JL continues his cream-rising-fitting-on-Kentucky-Derby-Day-Run for the Roses, with his 325 (54.2 FPP) setting the pace for the week, while TM continues to slump with a 240 (40.0 FPPG), despite a 5-0 2.25 pitching record thru Friday. Another slumper this week, CC drops to 6th, trailing everyone except SC and LZ, her 233 good for only 38.8 FPPG. "Offense, offense, offense" could be PL's mantra this week. His 270 (45.0 FPPG) is good for for 4th this week, but he leads in pitching points, his total of 156 accounting for an enormously high 57.8% of his total, while his offense has provided only 19.0 FPPG. Now burned twice in a row at Coors by her beloved 'Stros (6 pitching points on Friday followed by only 4 yesterday), GG (wherever she is) eagerly looks forward to her return. After rising to a 4th place tie and finding herself only 2 points out of 3rd, the previously prevailing PL protege finds herself back in 5th place after scoring 262 points for the week (43.7 FPPG), good, not so strangely, for 5th place for the week. JG, the third member of the "Cream Rising Trinity" appears to finally be straightened out, his good-for-second-place 305 this week (50.8 FPPG), while carrying him only to 7th place, finds him a mere 97 points from the top spot and only 55 points out of third. As a matter of fact, the spread from first to eighth, only 102 points, is closer than it's been since April 26th, when it stood at 99 points. Although DC finds himself in 8th place, with his 251 for the week - good for 41.8 FPPG - and only 6th place among the 8 top contenders, he's only 5 points out of 7th and a mere 60 points out of 3rd despite yesterday's league-low 14 point total. So that leaves us the usual two suspects, battling it out for 9th and 10th, respectively. That is, if you can call what LZ is doing "battling". SC, of course, has nothing to be ashamed of though. If we throw out everyone's score for the first three days of the season when SC hadn't begun playing yet, here's what we get: DB 1478
TM 1476
PL 1449
JL 1441
DC 1424
GG 1413
CC 1411
JG 1364
**SC** 1265
LZ 1091 Hmmmm....My intention was to make you feel better, SC, not worse. Didn't realize that if we threw out the first three days it would still leave you more than 200 points out of first place and 99 points out of 8th. Sorry about that....... Anyway, plenty of movement yeaterday, with DB, PL, JL, and JG moving up, while TM, CC, and GG all dropped back. Saturday's Scores & Sunday's Probables & Standings DB^ 1571 CWS (29) 39 1610 Min Santana 3-3 3.89
TM 1597 Det (-9) 05 1602 Min
PL^ 1523 CWS (29) 45 1568 Min
JL^ 1496 Oak (21) 66 1562 CWS Buehrle 4-2 3.76
GG 1523 Hou (04) 20 1543 Det Maroth 4-1 1.78
CC 1525 Cin (04) 15 1540 Min
JG^ 1452 CWS (29) 61 1513 CWS
DC 1494 Cin (04) 14 1508 Det
SC 1244 Cin (04) 21 1265 Min
LZ 1107 Bos (16) 46 1153 Bos DiNardo 2-1 9.00
"Difficult....not impossible"
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Re: 2006 Baseball Challenge (Salary Cap Game)
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05/07/06 08:41 AM
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The Slippery Slope
plawrence
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Compiling useless statistics are my "hanging flower baskets." :p 
"Difficult....not impossible"
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Re: 2006 Baseball Challenge (Salary Cap Game)
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05/07/06 01:05 PM
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New Jersey, USA
J Geoff
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Sunday's Lines DB Min Santana -145 vs Maroth (GG, DC)
TM Min
PL Min
JL CWS Buehrle -320 Daily favorite
GG Det Maroth +145 vs Santana (Top 3, CC, SC)
CC Min
JG CWS
DC Det
SC Min
LZ Bos DiNardo -115
I studied Italian for 2 semesters. Not once was a "C" pronounced as a "G", and never was a trailing "I" ignored! And I'm from Jersey! lol Whaddaya want me to do? Whack a guy? Off a guy? Whack off a guy? --Peter Griffin My DVDs | Facebook | Godfather Filming Locations
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Re: 2006 Baseball Challenge (Salary Cap Game)
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05/07/06 04:15 PM
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Originally posted by Beth E:
What a strange Mets/Braves game. People are getting thrown out left and right. I went to a game once and everyone was getting thrown out from center.
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Re: 2006 Baseball Challenge (Salary Cap Game)
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05/08/06 06:22 AM
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plawrence
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Sunday's Scores & Monday's Probables & Standings DB 1610 Min (34) 61 1671 Tor Halladay 4-1 3.73
TM 1602 Min (34) 49 1651 Tor
PL 1568 Min (34) 54 1622 ChC Maddux 5-1 2.35
CC^ 1540 Min (34) 80 1620 ChC
JL 1562 CWS (24) 53 1615 ChC
GG 1543 Det (04) 24 1567 Hou Oswalt 5-2 2.86
JG 1513 CWS (24) 46 1559 Hou
DC 1508 Det (04) 26 1534 Hou
SC 1265 Min (34) 66 1331 Hou
LZ 1153 Bos (18) 41 1194 Bos DNP today Interesting how the first two in the standings have Toronto, the next three have the Cubs, and the next four have Houston. Kind of a nice symetry there, dontcha' think?
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Re: 2006 Baseball Challenge (Salary Cap Game)
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05/08/06 12:58 PM
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J Geoff
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Monday's 'Symmetrical' PS Lines
DB Tor Halladay -170 Todays 2nd Favorite Line
TM Tor
PL ChC Maddux +115 Underdog
CC ChC
JL ChC
GG Hou Oswalt -135
JG Hou
DC Hou
SC Hou
CLE (Byrd) -182 Todays Favorite Line
I studied Italian for 2 semesters. Not once was a "C" pronounced as a "G", and never was a trailing "I" ignored! And I'm from Jersey! lol Whaddaya want me to do? Whack a guy? Off a guy? Whack off a guy? --Peter Griffin My DVDs | Facebook | Godfather Filming Locations
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Re: 2006 Baseball Challenge (Salary Cap Game)
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05/08/06 04:46 PM
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Originally posted by plawrence:
It's all that stuff about playing the game for the right or wrong reasons, and how winning doesn't matter, and just wanting to play for the fun of it, and how all the other things that got mentioned (in his case grass cutting and flower-basket-hangining, and grilling, and a nice cold beer on a hot summer day) that are more important than fantasy sports, that [b]REMIND me of FS.
Don't get insulted; In no way am I comparing him to you. [/b] Some people never learn. You see, people who will not give 1000 percent ruin the game for Uncle Pee. There is little or no life outside of the fantasy box. You broke the first and only rule of the board. You admitted that you weren't giving your soul to the game.  Shame on you, there will be no breadsticks for you!
ONLY gun owners have the POWER to PROTECT and PRESERVE our FREEDOM.
"...it is their (the people's) right and duty to be at all times armed" - Thomas Jefferson, June 5, 1824
Everyone should read. "HOW TO KILL A MOCKING BIRD"
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You really don't expect people to believe your shit do you?
Read: "The Daily Apple"- Telling America and the Gangster BB like it really is!
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