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Re: 2006 Baseball Challenge (Salary Cap Game)
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06/05/06 09:14 AM
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Originally posted by plawrence:
[b]CC is happy that she gained ground on JG.
[/b] Oh yeah, that 235 points I'm away from Geoff has me doing cartwheels. I think I'll just concentrate on Nascar. Is anyone else still playig that? 
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Re: 2006 Baseball Challenge (Salary Cap Game)
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06/05/06 11:04 AM
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You know what Plaw? You miss the whole point! We are playing a game that has a SALARY cap, and if you go over your salary cap, it's your fault and no one elses. After all it is a SALARY CAP game. What I complained about has absolutely NOTHING to do with the BASIS and IDEA of the game. Just don't understand why you are not allowed to pre-set your line-ups or even set your line-ups within a reasonable amount of time before actual game time. The title of the game is SALARY CAP BASEBALL. So you are playing a game that requires you to stay within your salary cap. And if you don't then you are not playing the game that you signed up to play which is SALARY CAP. To not allow you to set your line-up within a reasonable amount of time from the first pitch IS totally different than your wanting to re-write the rules of playing under a Salary Cap. Accidentally going over the salary cap is your own fault and no one elses. Not being allowed to pre-set your line-ups or not allowing you to set your lineup before game time is NOT your own fault, but a flaw in this game site format. Don Cardi 
Don Cardi Five - ten years from now, they're gonna wish there was American Cosa Nostra. Five - ten years from now, they're gonna miss John Gotti.
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Re: 2006 Baseball Challenge (Salary Cap Game)
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06/05/06 11:11 AM
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Bottom line: We're both suggesting ways that the game could be changed. Different ideas, different aspects of the game, sure.... But the rules are the rules. This is the way the game works. I happen to agree with you on your point, but that doesn't change the fact that this is the way the game is set up. Ypu happen not to agree with me on my point; that's fine - it's up to you. But your point (or idea, or whatever) has no more validity than mine does. As JG always says when this comes up, "Adapt....pick your team early in the day so if you have a computer problem or something you have the whole day to deal with it." And anyway....I'm just breaking your balls. The change you would like to see is at least "doable", mine really isn't, altho if you got my point you'd agree it makes sense. Originally posted by Don Cardi:
Accidentally going over the salary cap is your own fault and no one elses. Not being allowed to pre-set your line-ups or not allowing you to set your lineup before game time is NOT your own fault, but a flaw in this game site format. Not doing your lineup early enough in the day to be able to deal with a computer problem is your own fault and no one else's. You know what the rules are and how the game works...be prepared for it.
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Re: 2006 Baseball Challenge (Salary Cap Game)
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06/05/06 11:46 AM
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Originally posted by plawrence:
Not doing your lineup early enough in the day to be able to deal with a computer problem is your own fault and no one else's.
You know what the rules are and how the game works...be prepared for it. Yes, that is true. But let's take what happened a few days ago. I set my lineup early in the morning for the NEXT day's game, and then later on I find out that there will be a doubleheader that next day but because of not being allowed to go in and set your line-up after 3:00am in the morning :rolleyes: , I had to stick with what I had set early in the morning the day before. And not being allowed to Pre-set your line-up because you may be going on vacation is just plain ridiculous. Yes, we both have valid points, and I understand what you were trying to point out. But again, it is a Salary Cap game and that's that. But there is no reason that the format for setting your line-ups cannot be changed to give one a wider time frame to do so. Changing the format for setting a line-up really does not affect how the game itself is played. Allowing someone to go over the Salary Cap without paying a penalty, does change how the game is played. Don Cardi
Don Cardi Five - ten years from now, they're gonna wish there was American Cosa Nostra. Five - ten years from now, they're gonna miss John Gotti.
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Re: 2006 Baseball Challenge (Salary Cap Game)
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06/05/06 11:54 AM
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First of all, I never said that someone should be allowed to go over the cap without there being a penalty.
What I did say was that since we all play the same way - since all serious players play the same way - we pick a PS staff first and then pick the rest of the team around it, if you are over the cap one day it's not because of your PS - it's because you picked someone, accidentally or inadvertently, who was too expensive and who put you over the cap.
So what I suggested was, your PS points should still count, because they would have been the same whether you were over the cap or not.
Second of all, technically speaking, I wouldn't go so far as to call the 3:00 AM deadline for picking your team a "flaw" in the game.
I'm sure ESPN has it set up that way intentionally, for whatever the reason.
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Re: 2006 Baseball Challenge (Salary Cap Game)
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06/05/06 12:13 PM
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Your pitching staff IS part of your WHOLE team's salary cap! So I don't agree with you and really fail to see your point about seperating hitting stats from pitching stats if you go over the cap. In that case ESPN would have set up a sperate salary cap for pitchers and then another one for hitters. Regardless if you pick your pitcher first (which as you said, most of us probably do) or last, the bottom line is that you have a TEAM salary cap and therefore if you go over the Salary Cap in what is called the SALARY CAP game, then all of your TEAM'S stats shouldn't count. Who's fault is it if you go over the salary cap when picking your line-up? You are given a warning, right there on the site, if you are over the cap. Why should your pitching stats count separately from your hitting stats if your TEAM goes over the salary cap? That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.  Don Cardi
Don Cardi Five - ten years from now, they're gonna wish there was American Cosa Nostra. Five - ten years from now, they're gonna miss John Gotti.
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Re: 2006 Baseball Challenge (Salary Cap Game)
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06/05/06 12:28 PM
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DC's gripe has been a valid complaint for some time, and I'm sure they've gotten plenty of email about it -- but perhaps they'll provide an explanation if you send it to: baseball@fantasygames.go.comThe Diamond Daily game has a Noon ET deadline -- and you can pick players months in advance -- there's no reason why Baseball Challenge cannot work that way as well. As for PL's gripe, that's just... well... a ridiculous attempt to finagle extra points after a personal screw-up. :p 
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Re: 2006 Baseball Challenge (Salary Cap Game)
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06/06/06 06:11 AM
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Originally posted by J Geoff: As for PL's gripe, that's just... well... a ridiculous attempt to finagle extra points after a personal screw-up. :p In a way, yes, it was ridiculous. But, you will recall, in my original post I never said that I was suggesting such a thing - mainly because I know it is a ridiculous and unworkable idea. I certainly didn't expect everyone to say "Yeah, PL is right....that's a good idea....let's give him 28 more points" But it seems to me that DC's complaint is not much different. In both cases there is a rule - the salary cap and the deasline for picking your team - and in both cases the people involved - myself and DC - chose to "take our chances" with the rule. DC by waiting until the evening to pick his team, and me by waiting until 1:00 in the morning, which caused me to literally fall asleep in front of the computer. AAMOF, JG, just about every time that we've had a situation where someone was unable to pick their team for the next day because of a computer problem or because they waited until it was too late in the day - and there have certainly been enough of those situations in the past four years.... You have posted something to the effect of "That's why I always pick my team early in the day :p " From which I infer that you consider it to be a screw-up when someone doesn't. If I recall correctly, you even posted something like that when I whined about being over the cap because I fell asleep while doing my team. Both cases are similar in that they are, IMO, "flaws" in the game. The difference is that in one case thee is a solution and in the other case there isn't. But the fact as, as JG has ponted out on many occasions, if yoy choose to wait until the "last minute" to pick your team, you are running a risk. Now, as far as the logic goes with respect to having the 3:00 AM to 3:00 AM time frame, as opposed to allowing you to pick your team for that day right up until the starting time of the day's first game: While I agree that it would be better to do it the latter way rather than the former, I can see some logic in doing it the way that they do. The rules, or procedures, or whatever you want to call it are the same and uniform every single day. No guesswork about what time the deadline is for a particular day, nothing to look up or check, and less work. And, finally, a question for JG: As I pointed out above: Just about every time that we've had a situation where someone was unable to pick their team for the next day because of a computer problem or because they waited until it was too late in the day - and there have certainly been enough of those situations in the past four years....
You have posted something to the effect of "That's why I always pick my team early in the day :p "How come in this case DC didn't rate a similar comment from you?  I mean, c'mon....let's be fair here :p .
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Re: 2006 Baseball Challenge (Salary Cap Game)
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06/06/06 08:09 AM
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Originally posted by Don Sicilia: I'm just glad last week is over.  Here's a chart with our weekly finishes: 10 points for finishing first, 9 for finishing second, etc.... 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 PTS
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DB 1 2 1 3 1 1 65
TM 2 1 3 1 1 1 70
PL 2 2 1 2 1 1 67
JL 1 1 3 2 1 1 64
JG 1 2 1 1 1 1 1 58
CC 1 2 3 1 1 1 45
DC 1 1 3 1 1 2 41
GG 1 1 2 3 2 37
SC 1 1 1 3 2 1 35
LZ 1 3 5 14
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Re: 2006 Baseball Challenge (Salary Cap Game)
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06/06/06 10:09 AM
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You miss my point here....
Every time in the past someone has been unable to change their team for the following day because of a computer problem which, because they waited until it was too late in the day to put an alternate plan in place, JG has made a comment similar to the one I indicated.
In this case, he did not.
It has nothing to do with the validity of my complaint vs. yours.
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Re: 2006 Baseball Challenge (Salary Cap Game)
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06/06/06 10:16 AM
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Don Cardi Five - ten years from now, they're gonna wish there was American Cosa Nostra. Five - ten years from now, they're gonna miss John Gotti.
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Re: 2006 Baseball Challenge (Salary Cap Game)
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06/06/06 11:14 AM
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Originally posted by plawrence: [b]You have posted something to the effect of "That's why I always pick my team early in the day :p "[/i] How come in this case DC didn't rate a similar comment from you? [/b] Sorry, I missed this post... Well, of course the "I always pick my team early" rule applies to DC as well -- however, he was suggesting a later deadline, and I agreed with him. Why do we have until Noon of gametime for Diamond Daily, but have to get our Baseball Challenge lineups in in the wee hours of the morning? Even YOU would've benefited from a reasonable Noon (or even 9AM) deadline, no? Aren't we also more likely to catch pitching changes and DL changes the next morning rather than in the middle of the night? I know you agree that the deadline would be better on gameday rather than 3AM; but if your gripe was mearly why I didn't laugh at DC but laughed at you -- well, maybe it's more cuz it was out of his control (cable went out) rather than him falling asleep at his desk. Don't take it so personally... DC, this is business, and PL's taking it very very personally! 
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Re: 2006 Baseball Challenge (Salary Cap Game)
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06/06/06 04:45 PM
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Originally posted by J Geoff: DC, this is business, and PL's taking it very very personally! DON CARDI : "Hey Plaw, whataya gonna do, nice salary cap sports commisioner, eh? Didn't want to get mixed up in fantasy hockey, huh? Now you wanna change the salary cap rule, why, because ya fell asleep at your computer? Hah? What do you think this is a table top game, where you can change the rules any time you want? You've gotta get up close to your computer like this and bada-bing! you hit the save button and set your line-up under the salary cap! Come're... (as Don Cardi kisses Plaw's head) Don Cardi
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Re: 2006 Baseball Challenge (Salary Cap Game)
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06/06/06 11:50 PM
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Originally posted by Don Sicilia:
Hey plaw... Thanks for the stats. Is that chart incomplete? Which one? Is something missing somewhere from one of them? Originally posted by Just Lou: After tonight, you can put a fork in me. I'm done.  Please... :rolleyes: Less than two weeks ago I trailed DB by around 200 points. There's still what? Four weeks to go in the first half and 16 weeks to go in the season? Still a looooooooooooooooong way to go.....for a man of your caliber that ain't nuttin'. After all, you're the MOAAFS :p
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Re: 2006 Baseball Challenge (Salary Cap Game)
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06/07/06 12:52 AM
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I didn't say it would be easy, I just said that you're certainly not out if it yet. Speaking of pulling a "me", I asked on the ESPN Message Board if anyone knew the logic behind the reason why ESPN has the 3:00 AM deadline. A couple of "semi" good reasons, but none that were earth shaking. Here\'s the thread.
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Re: 2006 Baseball Challenge (Salary Cap Game)
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06/07/06 06:19 AM
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Tuesday's Scores & Wednesday's Probables
DB 3022 SaF (37) 61 3083 Atl Smoltz 6-6 3.72 9.6
PL^ 2941 SaF (37) 53 2994 NYM Glavine 10-2 2.59 12.2
TM 2942 NYM (-05) 10 2952 Cin Harang 8-4 3.65 10.3
JL 2931 TaB (-19) -09 2922 LAA Weaver 2-0 1.35 18.5
JG 2854 SaF (37) 55 2909 LAA
CC 2629 Oak (09) 25 2654 Oak Blanton 5-6 5.21 1.9
DC 2480 NYM (-05) 16 2496 Det Velander 8-3 3.13 9.0
GG 2400 Ari (01) 24 2424 NYM
SC 2360 NYM (-05) 10 2370 NYM
LZ 2057 Cle (DNP) 21 2078 Ari Cruz 3-4 4.41 5.3
After an 11 day streak in which PL trimmed the lead to 66 points, DB has stopped the bleeding the last two days, and now leads by a somewhat more comfortable 89 points. Meanwhile, as the Gangster BB Fantasy Game World waits for TM to start missing a few days already, JL announces that he's ready do be poked with the proverbial fork. JG, who, rumor has it, has fallen in love with Giants' Jason Schmidt, has finally made some significant progress in his attempt to crawl out of 5th place, while CC, who is 255 points out of 5th, but has a 158 point lead over the guy in 7th, seems to be going nowhere. And that "guy in 7th"? None other than DC - the man who is handing out those tissue boxes at a record pace. Just make sure you keep enough for yourself, there.... An enigma? A disappointment? What can we say about GG? Enthusiastic to the point of starting her own league elsewhere and handing out instruction sheets to the players besides, the heir apparent to the "Fantasy Sports Nerd" throne has mysteriously faded away to almost nowhere. SC, the man who started three days late, has made a respectable showing, considering. Or has he? Let's give him an additional 200 points - a rather liberal total, too, don't you think? - for the three days he missed. That gets him all the way up to 2570, which is good enough for 7th place instead of 9th. Hmmmm...... And finally there's LZ, better known to her more intimate fantasy associates as "Last Place Lizzie". Just when we think she's out, she goes and changes her team and pulls us back in.
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Re: 2006 Baseball Challenge (Salary Cap Game)
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06/07/06 10:57 AM
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maaan does my team looks weird today. I'm hoping a few DNP's and a shaky pitching. in fact, why everytime that the top 4 have different pitching staffs, the difference between them is so big? I pick a guy thinking "well he might not be thee best pick, but he's gonna give me something", and it turns out a 42 pts difference between Schmidt and Pedro. that is not the first time, and it has happened the opposite in the past - like that day when it was either Santana or Beckett, and I fortunately went with Johan. anyway, I have done fine after whining in the past, so I'm just trying again and PL, I don't plan missing days pal I thought I would miss the 2 and 3 of june but I had a trip cancelled.
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