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Re: Diamond Daily 2006 (Triple Crown Game)
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07/19/06 12:00 PM
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7/19 H/AB HR RBI AVG H/AB HR RBI AVG
DJ Piazza DNP - - .--- 27/66 11 39 .409
PL Guerrero 3/5 0 2 .600 35/77 11 24 .4545
DM Konerko 0/4 0 0 .000 27/68 9 31 .397
JG Konerko 0/4 0 0 .000 24/88 7 12 .2727
AL Guerrero 3/5 0 2 .600 5/22 0 2 .22727
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Re: Diamond Daily 2006 (Triple Crown Game)
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Originally posted by J Geoff:
But FWIW, I think 17 more RBI is worth more than .035 in BA... so no, probably not. But as I said, come 30/31 days into it, it hasn't been an issue (yet) after all these years... Yeah, but one day it may be a problem. How can we have a game without knowing what the basis for winning or breaking a tie is? If it seems like I'm breaking balls, sorry, but this is silly. I agree, 17 more RBIs is worth more than .035 in batting average. So where do you want to draw the line? Suppose the differnce is greater in average, and less in RBIs? How much greater or less swings the balance to the other player? When I ask if the season ended based on the stats I quoted and you say "no, probably not", that doesn't strke you as a problem? What you seemingly want to do is decide, subjectively once the month is over, who the winner is if nobody wins 2 out of the 3 categories. I say that just like in any other game, it needs to be spelled out exactly so there are no arguments.
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Re: Diamond Daily 2006 (Triple Crown Game)
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07/19/06 01:17 PM
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Like should I go strictly for an RBI guy now, or try to increase my lead in average, or go for homers, or what?
Just to be redundant here....
You said average would be the tiebreaker.
I lead in average, and I'm tied for the lead in homers.
DJ lead in RBIs, and is tied for the lead in homers.
So, in effect, we each lead in one category and are tied for the lead in another.
So if average is the tiebreaker, how would I not be the winner, since I lead in the tiebreaker category?
If you want to say that a lead of 17 RBIs is worth more than a lead of .035 in average, fine - I agree that it is - but then you're making RBIs the tiebreaker.
Where do you want to draw the line?
How about a 10 RBI lead vs. .050 in average?
How about a 5 RBI lead vs. .035 in average?
How about a 20 RBI lead vs. .100 in average?
How about any of the thousands of different possibilities?
Give us something definite to go on so it's not simply a judgement call on your part when the month is over.
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Re: Diamond Daily 2006 (Triple Crown Game)
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07/19/06 01:40 PM
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Let me give it some thought. The rest of the field could jump in w/ their ideas, too... but I gotta get ready for Bon Jovi 
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Re: Diamond Daily 2006 (Triple Crown Game)
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07/19/06 01:48 PM
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We did that two weeks ago, and you decided that average would be the tiebreaker.
Now you're wavering....
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Re: Diamond Daily 2006 (Triple Crown Game)
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07/20/06 12:02 PM
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July 20
JULY TOTALS
7/20 H/AB HR RBI AVG H/AB HR RBI AVG
DJ Crisp 0/5 0 0 .000 27/71 11 39 .380
PL Hillendbad DNP - - .--- 35/77 11 24 .455
DM Jacobs 1/4 1 1 .250 28/72 10 32 .389
JG Durham 1/4 1 1 .250 25/92 8 13 .272
AL DNP -/- - - .--- 5/22 0 2 .227
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Re: Diamond Daily 2006 (Triple Crown Game)
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07/20/06 03:58 PM
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Originally posted by J Geoff:
7/20 Hillendbad DNP..................
 His game is tonite....
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Re: Diamond Daily 2006 (Triple Crown Game)
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07/20/06 04:08 PM
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Originally posted by plawrence:
[quote]Originally posted by J Geoff:
[b]7/20 Hillendbad DNP..................
His game is tonite.... [/b][/quote]He's been released by the team.... :p
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Re: Diamond Daily 2006 (Triple Crown Game)
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07/20/06 05:55 PM
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Yeah, so I see....  a) Why? He was doing OK this year, and b) ESPN has been doing a really shitty job in the sal cap game of asterisking the guys who are out this year.
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Re: Diamond Daily 2006 (Triple Crown Game)
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07/21/06 12:04 PM
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JULY TOTALS
7/21 H/AB HR RBI AVG H/AB HR RBI AVG
DM Thome 2/3 1 1 .667 30/75 11 33 .400
PL Teixeira 1/2 1 1 .500 36/79 12 25 .456
DJ Howard 0/3 0 0 .000 27/74 11 39 .365
JG Pudge 1/4 0 2 .250 26/96 8 15 .271
AL Thome 2/3 1 1 .667 7/25 1 3 .280
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Re: Diamond Daily 2006 (Triple Crown Game)
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07/22/06 12:04 PM
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7/22 H/AB HR RBI AVG H/AB HR RBI AVG
DM Gomes DNP - - .--- 30/75 11 33 .400
PL Gomes DNP - - .--- 36/79 12 25 .456
DJ DNP -/- - - .--- 27/74 11 39 .365
JG Piazza DNP - - .--- 26/96 8 15 .271
AL CJones PPD - - .--- 7/25 1 3 .280
First time this ever happened...
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Re: Diamond Daily 2006 (Triple Crown Game)
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07/22/06 09:27 PM
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As it stands right now, NONE of our picks started today! 
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Re: Diamond Daily 2006 (Triple Crown Game)
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07/23/06 01:28 AM
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As I said, I rank as Yahoo does to make it easier for me, and to avoid errors... but if *I* were to rank us, it'd be: PL 36/79 12 25 .456 1st in AVG and HR, 3rd in RBI
DJ 27/74 11 39 .365 1st in RBI, tied 2nd HR, 3rd AVG
DM 30/75 11 33 .400 2nd in everything
JG 26/96 8 15 .271
AL 7/25 1 3 .280
I studied Italian for 2 semesters. Not once was a "C" pronounced as a "G", and never was a trailing "I" ignored! And I'm from Jersey! lol Whaddaya want me to do? Whack a guy? Off a guy? Whack off a guy? --Peter Griffin My DVDs | Facebook | Godfather Filming Locations
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Re: Diamond Daily 2006 (Triple Crown Game)
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07/23/06 03:11 AM
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Originally posted by DonMichaelCorleone:
I think its interesting (I use that term loosely) to look at ESPN's scoring for this game.
.035 in batting average is worth more than 6 rbis.
8 rbis is worth more than 1 hr and .056 in batting average.
Kinda screwy if you ask me. As near as I can figure, their rankings are not based on how we're doing against each other within our group, but how we're doing against everyone else world-wide in each of the categories individually. FWIW, look at the Leader Board, though. Last time I did, they had guys who trailed other guys in all three categoties listed ahead of the guys they trailed. Go figure As long as we're sticking to our method of deciding on our winner - win at least two out of the three categories, or if three different people win one each, then the tiebeaker is Batting Average. That is how we're doing it, right?
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Re: Diamond Daily 2006 (Triple Crown Game)
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07/23/06 04:53 AM
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I'm inclined to agree with you, but the problem is assigning the relative values.
How many homers is 10 RBIs worth, or 12 RBIs, or 15, or 20? How many points of batting average is 5 homers worth, or 6, or 7, or 8, etc., etc., etc., etc.....
DJ leads you by 6 RBIs. You lead him by 35 points in average.
Which is worth more?
The 35 points in average?
OK....suppose it was 34 points? How about 33? or 32?
How many RBIs is that 35 points of average worth?
Suppose he led you by 7 RBIs? Or 8? Or 9?
How many RBIs offset 35 points in average?
There's an awful lot of possibilities here - tens of thousands, realistically, I'd guess.
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Re: Diamond Daily 2006 (Triple Crown Game)
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07/23/06 05:33 AM
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How about this: 1 point per one point of batting average. 10 points per RBI 25 points per HR I figured that based on about 100 ABs, 100 points in batting average was 10 more hits, so I figured 10 more RBIs should be worth about the same, so it's really sort of kind of maybe 1 point per hit when you get to the end of the month and 10 points per RBI. I figured homers were the hardest to get, so they should be worth the most. I'm not necessarily saying that this is what we should do, BTW -- just throwing some numbers out there. So based on the above, this month would be as follows: PL 12 25 .456 or 300 + 250 + 456 = 1006
DJ 11 39 .365 or 275 + 390 + 365 = 1030
DM 11 33 .400 or 275 + 330 + 400 = 1005
JG 8 15 .271 or 200 + 150 + 271 = 621
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Re: Diamond Daily 2006 (Triple Crown Game)
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07/23/06 12:03 PM
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July 23
JULY TOTALS
7/23 H/AB HR RBI AVG H/AB HR RBI AVG
DM CJones* DNP - - .--- 30/75 11 33 .400
PL Abreu* 2/8 0 0 .250 38/87 12 25 .437
DJ Abreu* 2/8 0 0 .250 29/82 11 39 .354
JG LaRoche* 2/8 0 0 .250 28/104 8 15 .269
AL CGuillen 3/3 0 2 1.000 10/28 1 5 .357
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Re: Diamond Daily 2006 (Triple Crown Game)
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07/24/06 12:23 PM
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7/24 H/AB HR RBI AVG H/AB HR RBI AVG
DM ARamirez 1/3 1 2 .333 31/78 12 35 .397
PL CJones DTD* - - .--- 38/87 12 25 .437
DJ Pierzynski 2/4 0 0 .500 31/86 11 39 .360
JG Hall 2/5 2 4 .400 30/109 10 19 .275
AL Konerko 1/4 1 1 .250 11/32 2 6 .344
*still :p
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Re: Diamond Daily 2006 (Triple Crown Game)
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07/25/06 12:01 PM
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7/25 H/AB HR RBI AVG H/AB HR RBI AVG
DM Tejada 4/4 0 1 1.000 35/82 12 36 .427
PL ARamirez 2/4 1 3 .500 40/91 13 28 .440
DJ DNP -/- - - .--- 31/86 11 39 .360
JG ARamirez 2/4 1 3 .500 32/113 11 22 .283
AL ARamirez 2/4 1 3 .500 13/36 3 9 .361
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Re: Diamond Daily 2006 (Triple Crown Game)
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07/26/06 03:31 AM
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So if the month were over, I'm the winner, right?
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Re: Diamond Daily 2006 (Triple Crown Game)
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07/26/06 03:36 AM
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(I really hope the winner is crystal clear this month, like every month in the past few years!  ) ...tho I suppose we should consider ABs as well, come to think of it...
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Re: Diamond Daily 2006 (Triple Crown Game)
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So if the month was over now, I'd be the winner, right? Whoever wins 2 out of 3 categories, with average as the tiebreaker, right? I agree, BTW, that margin of victory in a category should be weighted, and included. If I tie DM in homers and beat him in average by 15 points, and he beats me in RBIs by 10 or 12, or If i beat him by one homer and 10-15 points in average, and he wins RBIs by 10-12.... How about this for a scoring method that weights the categories 1 point per one point of batting average. 10 points per RBI 25 points per HR I figured that based on about 100 ABs, 100 points in batting average was 10 more hits, so I figured 10 more RBIs should be worth about the same, so it's really sort of kind of maybe 1 point per hit when you get to the end of the month and 10 points per RBI. I figured homers were the hardest to get, so they should be worth the most. Commit 100% to something though. Here we are with 6 days to go, you wavering all month, and me unsure of if I should be going for homers or average or RBIs or what.
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Re: Diamond Daily 2006 (Triple Crown Game)
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07/26/06 03:56 AM
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Well, you could just go with whomever you think will do the best, but if you need to know, sure, we'll try your method this month - even tho it's never been a problem in the past...
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Re: Diamond Daily 2006 (Triple Crown Game)
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07/26/06 06:26 AM
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Oy.... What do you mean "whoever I think will do best"? In which category? And no, we shouldn't try my method this month -- we've been playing the whole month under a certain set of assumptions. Now you want to change the criteria with 6 days to go? You want to try it, let's try it next month. AFAIC, this month should be what you said it was way back when: Th winner is whoever wins two out of the three categories. If no one does, the tiebreaker is Batting Average.
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Re: Diamond Daily 2006 (Triple Crown Game)
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07/26/06 12:34 PM
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Originally posted by plawrence: Now you want to change the criteria with 6 days to go? I never wanted, or have yet felt the need, to change the criteria. It's you (only) who's been bitching about it. But watch, I can see it now - THIS month will be the one that'll be questionable.
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Re: Diamond Daily 2006 (Triple Crown Game)
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07/26/06 12:36 PM
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7/26 H/AB HR RBI AVG H/AB HR RBI AVG
DM Hall 3/4 1 4 .750 38/86 13 40 .442
PL Mench 2/3 0 3 .667 42/94 13 31 .447
DJ Thomas 2/4 2 4 .500 33/90 13 43 .367
JG Mench 2/3 0 3 .667 34/116 11 25 .293
AL Beltran 2/3 0 0 .667 15/39 3 9 .385
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Re: Diamond Daily 2006 (Triple Crown Game)
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I don't feel the need to change it either.
But DM raised some interesting points, last month and again this month, which I agred with.
The problem is that when I first raised the subject last month because it seemed like it might be really close, and then again this month for the same reason, it seemed as though you started to equivocate and waver about exactly what the criteria for winning was.
AFAIC, the citeria for winning - which is what it always has been and which I have no real need to change (I was only suggesting alternate methods because you seemed unhappy with the method you were using, hence your equivocation, and I thought that altho the way we were doing it was OK, there might be a better way - and so did DM) - is as follows:
Win two out of three categories. If no one wins two out of three, then the tiebreaker is Batting Average.
Just tell us for sure that that's the way we're doing it, and it's the last you'll hear from me on the subject.
Look at the race between me and DM this month.
If I know for sure that batting Average is the tiebreaker, I might sit out and force him to catch me .
He's at 35-82, .427.
I'm at 40-91, .440
If I play and go a simple 0-4, and he plays and goes a simple 2-4, DM passes me in batting Average, as I drop to .421 and he goes up to .430
But if I sit out, then he needs to go 6-10 or better to pass me.
What should I do? Play or not? It looks like it will be much harder for him to catch me if I don't play, right?
That's why I have to know for sure what the scoring system is.
Surely you can't think I'm being unreasonable here, can you?
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Re: Diamond Daily 2006 (Triple Crown Game)
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07/26/06 03:27 PM
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New Jersey, USA
J Geoff
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The Don
Joined: Jul 2001
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New Jersey, USA
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I understand what you're saying, but don't you think sitting out is a wuss move? :p
I studied Italian for 2 semesters. Not once was a "C" pronounced as a "G", and never was a trailing "I" ignored! And I'm from Jersey! lol Whaddaya want me to do? Whack a guy? Off a guy? Whack off a guy? --Peter Griffin My DVDs | Facebook | Godfather Filming Locations
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