JB: what do you mean by fractional points? If a guy rushes for 96 yards, does this mean he gets 9.6 points instead of simply 9?[/b]

DB:That's correct. Mainly, I changed this because I don't like ties (which are now less likely).

PL: And I don't like the frustration of having a guy rush for 98 or 99 yards, and only getting 9 points - with the additional 8 or 9 yards wasted.

You mean you don't like the frustration of having your guy wasting those 8 or 9 yards. :p Seriously though, it's an interesting idea. I like it.

Regarding offensive fumbles, DMC probably is right since Yahoo gave DB the example, but I always thought the rule applied to all offensive players. This rule probably won't even apply at all this year, so don't think I'm nitpicking about it, I'm just curious from an NFL fan's perspective. Let's use Super Bowl XXXIV as an example, the Rams-Titans thriller, since it fits this scenario perfectly. I always thought the NFL had the offense can't advance a fumble rule to prevent teams from purposely fumbling the football when they were wrapped up and about to be tackled. Otherwise, on that play, Kevin Dyson merely has to fumble the football in the hopes one of his teammates recovers it and scores a touchdown. The same could be said on any such play as time is running down or already expired. As soon as the player with the ball is about to be tackled, he can merely fumble the ball and hope his teammates somehow score. The chances are remotely slim, but they are better than the zero percent chance the ballcarrier has since he's already wrapped up.

I would expect Yahoo to know this, but then again, they can't seem to figure out the DL in the baseball game , so maybe they don't know how the NFL works all too well either.

Heres what I got from a website:

Here

Watch it there, DMC....

You might get appointed "Third Assistant Commissioner to the Commissioner"

i'm in (head to head) - state penn

Welcome back, FC. You too, RB.

I second that.

I try, it's not like I'm going to let that title go to my head or anything

Nice title DMC. As a welcome gift to the League of Commissioners...

Read this on ESPN.com today and thought some of you might like it as well.

Fantasy Football=Fantasy

I have enjoyed being in a keeper league the past several years, but I have to agree about trying to make fantasy sports too much like the real thing. This isn't a game of Risk, it's fantasy sports. The league should be about the particular sport you're playing, not trying to turn every owner into Bill Walsh. The only strategy should be knowing the league's scoring system and knowing which players will perform the best according to that scoring system. That's the skill in fantasy sports, IMO.

It's like the difference between playing poker with real money versus fake money. The game will be completely different, even though they're both poker games. If you're good enough to play with real money, then step up. If not, then deal with the fact it's not real money. Fantasy sports aren't going to be an exact duplicate of real sports.

If the Gangster BB decided to hold a Fantasy Poker Game for the Poker Championship of the BB, I would play exactly the same way as I do when I play for money.

If I'm playing to win, I'm playing to win.

The game will not be "completely different" and there's no reason why it should be.

Unless everyone playing in a poker game for "fun" doesn't care of they win or lose so they call every bet and stay in every single hand until the last card.

But then, the author is wrong because "both games are not poker."

As far as the "reality" of fantasy sports is concerned....

If the goal is to make it resemble reality as much as possible, what's wrong with that?

Obviously, it's not reality, but it's certainly based on reality.

Maybe I don't get his point there.

He says "The only strategy should be knowing the league's scoring system and knowing which players will perform the best according to that scoring system. That's the skill in fantasy sports, IMO.'

Well, yeah....that and a few other factors, but who didn't know that and what does that have to do with trying to make the game realistic?

We know that fantasy sports aren't gonna be a duplicate or real sports...

So what?

And, if we do want to make it duplicate reality exactly, it's very easy to do so.

Figure out a scoring system, and then create a Points Only League in which everyone drafts entire MLB teams instead of individual players.

Then at the end of the season the winner will be the actual MLB team that has the most points and the results of the your league will exactly mirror the results of real life.

You draft the Yankees, the Yankees as a team in real life score more points under your scoring system than any other team, you win.

I just signed up for the points based league. Team name-The Sharks

Hi IM....

So far we have:

DC -- Don Cardi's "Cardi's Giants"
CC -- Bethie's "Bethie's Tight End"
IM -- The Iceman's "Sharks"
TU -- Turi's "Scunthorpe Steelers"
JL -- Just Lou's "MOAAFS"
DB -- Don Sicilia's "Douche Bigelow"
DM -- DonMichaelCorleones's "DMC"
PL -- plawrence's "Black Car Drivers"
AL -- Don Alessandrio's "Sex Panther"

I am the c**t in Scunthorpe!

Sorry that this reply seems a bit outdated, but I've had some computer problems, hence my tardiness and disappearance from the league. Yahoo is telling me the league is full, so it's not letting me sign up again. They should have it fixed later today, they said, so I'll be back in both leagues.

As far as my poker analogy, I have no doubt that you would play exactly the same way, Plaw, but that doesn't mean everyone else would. If you've ever played a fake money table on-line, you'd know exactly what I'm talking about. If you have 8 guys playing seriously and 2 guys just fucking around, that can have a major impact on a tournament. Same thing in fantasy sports. My comparison is this: you aren't going to see people throwing around chips just for the hell of it at the WSOP like you would at a fake money table on PartyPoker, much the same as you aren't going to have NFL teams not showing up for games like some owners do by not setting their lineups each week in a fantasy league.

As far as my point about disliking how certain fantasy leagues are trying to become as much like the real thing as possible, I'll try to elaborate further. I view fantasy sports as primarily entertainment. I do it because I enjoy it, as evidenced by the fact that I play in what leagues I can on here for free. I prefer to play for money because it adds more fun to the game, making it more worthwhile. I don't participate in every league here because I simply don't have time. 4 years ago when I was still in college, I probably would have been signed up for every single league available on here, simply because I had more time. Now that I teach, coach, and enjoy the social life of a single, 24 year old, I can't devote myself to learning the details of a radically modified fantasy sports league. The reason I don't like the fact that some leagues are becoming more involved by trying to make it more realistic is the fact that it takes away from the fun of the game, in my opinion. At the very least, it makes it more like a job and less fun, and at worst, it creates a huge discrepency between teams that have a chance compared to teams that are destined to finish last not because they are an inferior fantasy sports owner, but rather because they can't dedicate as much time to it. Take your baseball league for example. There is absolutely no way I could compete in a league like that anymore because I simply don't have the time to dedicate to things such as starts in hand and average points per game at each position. I don't think people should quit playing leagues like this, I am simply stating I agree with the author of the original article that I don't prefer leagues like this. In some football leagues, they have cap penalties, practice squads, free agent signing periods, etc. in an attempt to make their fantasy league as much like real life as possible. Some of these guys spend as much time on their fantasy team as a normal GM does for an NFL team, but the GM does so because that's his career!

As I stated in an earlier post, I agree that subtle changes can make fantasy sports a better experience. The idea of a keeper league is a great format, IMO, that makes the game more fun and strategic, but doesn't require the owner to devote his life to his team. In the keeper league I'm in, all the owners are college graduates between the ages of 24-28. Some of the owners even have families already, yet we are still able to have a highly competitive league, despite the fact that we all have careers and attend an occassional NFL game in person rather than sit in front of the computer screen on Sundays so we can be the first to sign the newest 100 yard receiver or figure out our mean average under the salary cap from weeks 5-11. I'm not saying people shouldn't play in leagues like this if they want to. I believe that the standard format for most fantasy sports seems to be working just fine, so I prefer those formats compared to formats that try to make the leagues more "life-like".

So, in closing, my point was merely to post an article about fantasy sports since all the people in this thread participate in fantasy sports. Since the article I posted gave an opinion, I provided my own opinion as well. I'm not saying everyone has to agree with it, but if we never posted any thoughts we had that we feared wouldn't be met with 100% approval, then the BB would be a pretty boring place.

Bloody hell, I can't believe I read that JB. You're 24 and already turning into Plaw.

Welcome back to the league, JB!

Great to be back. Yahoo finally decided it had enough of fucking me over and let me in finally yesterday. :rolleyes: Hopefully, I'll be in for good this time.

Here's an article y'all should appreciate.

There's a problem for me having the draft for the Points game on Aug 31... is there any chance we can change the date? If not, I'll have to just play the H2H game...

I'm missing the Head to Head draft because I'm in Deutschland. No way I'm missing the Points Only one too JG. Why can't you make it?

I have tix for the Violent Femmes show that night...

I'm willing to change the date.

I can only do upto the Second of September.

Damn you JG, you left it late. You and your bloody drag show.

It may be too late for everyone to change leagues now and ensure that everything is set up by the regular season, but we should really look into moving the leagues to foxsports.com for next year. The set-up is superior to Yahoo in that the league page is filled with much more easily accessible fantasy info, it is much easier to modify the league settings to fit individual leagues, and, the Stattracker is free. It is basically the Sportsline site minus the $150 fee. We used Sportsline for years, but once it became a pay site went to Yahoo, which had its days in the sun, but this past year has became a gigantic piece of shit. Something to think about. For football it may not make a whole lot of difference, but for any baseball league you may do, it will be a huge upgrade. Assuming it's still free next year.

Where's Douche?? Looks like I may have to miss one of the drafts then...

Rather than leave the league completely and not play at all, why not just pre-rank your picks and let the computer draft for you? It's better than not playing at all.

I won't be able to make either draft. I have Football practice on Wed Sept. 6th, and I am going out with clients on Thursday Aug 31st.

But instead of dropping out, I figured I'll pre-set my picks, let the computer draft for me, and I'll still be able to play.

Better than not playing at all for the whole season.


Don Cardi

Well I can make the 9/6 draft, so it's not like I won't be able to play at all. I wasn't thrilled about being in more than one draft league anyway, but, was willing. I'm still willing if the date can be changed. But I'm not into having the system autodraft for me -- to me, it defeats the purpose of having a draft to begin with, that's why I haven't joined the nfl.com league...

I guess that is what makes the world go around. While you see an auto draft as "defeating the purpose" I look at it differently. I enjoy being 'given' a team, almost as if being hired to a team with players already in place and then seeing if I have the ability to imrove that team through free agent signings, sleeper signings and trades. I like the General Manager aspect of Fantasy Sports as well as the coaching aspect.

The only 'live drafts' that I ever enjoyed were face to face ones where the team owners would get together in a bar or the back of a restaurant to hold the draft. Having a live draft on a computer just doesn't cut it for me. I get bored very quickly.


Don Cardi