Both OSU and Texas have always been known for running clean programs....think about all those great ohio state players....dan wilkinson, korey stringer, joey galloway, terry glenn, andy katzenmoyer and the list goes on and on and on. since 1990 ohio st. has easily recruited the most blue chippers. despite all of this amazing talent that has been through columbus the program is still a model.

and UT, despite sitting on the largest hotbead of football talent in the world has never once been convicted of violation in 100 plus yrs. of football.


HOOK EM HORNS!!!

Notre Dame beats #19 Penn State 41-17

Nice a$$ kicking handed out today by Ohio State to Texas, 24-7









HOOK EM BUCKEYES!

A great win for Ohio State last night, although it was a rather boring game IMO. Texas gained the momentum with their tying of the game at 7-7 near halftime, but promptly gave the momentum right back by letting OSU march for a TD in the last 2:00 of the half. And quite frankly, the fact that Texas scored a TD was controversial with that utter b.s. "helmet-to-helmet" call that was made on a 3rd down play. If the correct call was made, Texas would have been lining up for a FG. Whatever, it didn't have bearing in the larger text of the game.

I thought Texas' mistake was not continuing to run the ball. They seemed to have 4-5 yards on average every time they rushed. Their passing game and their QB were pathetic.

I read in the paper that OSU will now play USC for the next two years beginning in 2007 just as they played Texas the past two years.

My alma mater never really had a chance last night. I could have told you that before hand though.

WE NEED A PLAYOFF! LSU, ND, OhioST, will all remain undefeated this season. LSU will prolly get screwed again even though they have one of the best defensive units ever.

hook em hos

I disagree in that I don't think any team will finish undefeated this year. I think the NCAA is up for grabs more than the past few seasons. But if OSU does go undefeated, I won't be doing any complaining.

Yeah, as much as I love Notre Dame, I think there schedule is too tough for them to go undefeated. I'm not saying it can't happen, but I think it's FAR to early in the season to be thinking about that.

Notre Dame moves back up to #2 (where they belong) and Texas slides down to #8

How do they belong at #2?

i would go...

nd 1
osu 2
sec school 3
?4
?5

Because they beat Georgia Tech in week 1 and get slid down to #4 while Texas beats North Texas and moves up to #2. WTF is that!?

Not understanding your logic here at all. Ohio State is #1 going into a game against the defending national champions. Ohio State kicks the snot out of Texas in a game that was essentially over early in the 3rd quarter. Ohio State also throttles Notre Dame in the Fiesta Bowl last year and, somehow, this should warrant a slippage in their ranking???

My top 5 woudl look like this:

OSU
Auburn
ND
USC
LSU

Not understanding your logic here at all.


I just think ND and Charlie Weis are unstoppable this yr.

Look, OSU had their chance last yr but tressel out thought himself in the texas game by not playing troy smith the whole way. They could and should have been champs last season w/ that amazing D and all those linebackers.

FORGET THE STUPID POLLS, WATCH THE GAMES AND PICK THE BEST SQUAD.

Why are you talking about last year? Did you not see Ohio St. schlack Texas 24-7?

GOOMBAH mentioned last yrs fiesta bowl, apparently he thinks it still has bearing.

BOTTOM LINE: We need a playoff!!!!!!!

thats it

the whole season is a playoff in college football. Look at the games that have already been played. OSU-Texas, FSU- Miami, and look at this week, USC-Nebraska, LSU-Auburn, Miami- Louisville, ND-Michigan. These games have bearing on who will play for the national championship. If you want playoffs watch NFL where you can lose 6 games and still make the playoffs. In college footabll every week matters not 65% of the games like the NFL.

Using your argument is exactly why ND's 4 point win over Georgia Tech hardly qualifies them for the #1 position. Your vote is with your heart, not your head. We'll see whether your contention that ND is "unstoppable" with games against Michigan and USC.

OK.....

i feel like ol' good Will Hunting trying to explain shit in here:

the regular season is not a playoff. yes, this yrs games have been UNBELIEVABLE. most seasons however, we do not see this many good games the entire season. YES WE NEED A PLAYOFF. 4 teams, 6 teams, something. otherwise, how do we know who's the best team? an undefeated ND, OSU, LSU, and West Virginia for example, would create quite the controversy.


I recommend you guys study the history of the game a bit more. In the past a team with 2 losses would edge out an undefeated team for the title b/c thats what the voters said(ask joe paterno circa 1972) PLAYOFF!!

Goombah--do you really think it would be fair for ND to be shut out of a national title shot b/c they lose to michigan? Is it fair that a team who plays a big east schedule(west virginia) would edge out ND b/c they play a bunch of nobodys? of course not, dont be ridiculous.

PLAYOFF!!!

i gotta go

I agree that west virgina and louisville are not legitament contenders. I believe a team with 1 loss would make it over them if they were undefeated. Forget about 1972, it was differnt back then. There were less voters and rankings were more political. Much like how MLB still is. If I had one grip about college football it is that no rankings (that matter, coaches and AP) should come out before the 5 week. There are 5 teams at the begining of every year that could be #1.

And how many years have there been more than 2 undefeated teams, from major conferences?

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Don Alessandrio:
[QB] I agree that West Virginia and Louisville are not legitament contenders.

I think west virg. is a legitament contender. they beat the crap outta georgia last yr. and rick rodriguez is the godfather of the spread offense that almost everyone runs now a days. But w/o a playoff how can they prove it?

I hope this is the yr that the bcs breaks down and a couple of undefeateds are sitting at home championship night. Only then can we steam roll this playoff thing through.

as you stated before last year has no bearing, right? and besides they did beat georgia last year but they did not kick there ass by any means. Yes west virginia can't truely prove if they are deserving of a chance to play in the national championship game, but they need to do what big time schools are doing and schedule hard out of conference games. a la Ohio State having home and home series coming up in the next 10 years with USC, Miami (Florida), Virginia Tech. This is a trend that I like to see in college football. I don't want to see a playoff becuase then college football would be just like every other sport. College football is about more than just who is the champ.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by goombah:
Using your argument is exactly why ND's 4 point win over Georgia Tech hardly qualifies them for the #1 position. Your vote is with your heart, not your head.

GOOMBAH

football is a very arbitrary game of course. stomach virus here, pulled nut sack here, your team is fucked. anyone can suffer a career ending injury at any time. not even the almighty knows whos gonna win every game.... i just think nd would beat a hawkless buckeyes.

im not a domer at all but i think u are having homer simpson syndrome right now with your team (osu), being they are this yr's favorite.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Don Alessandrio:
[QB] as you stated before last year has no bearing, right? and besides they did beat georgia last year but they did not kick there ass by any means.




your right, they didn't really kick their ass. that was such a fun game to watch though.


but they do have 19 returning starters, so....in this case last yr certainly has bearing

I agree with Ice, I'd like to see a playoff format in college football. It's too controversal and bogus right now having the Bull Crap System in place

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Irishman12:
[QB] It's too controversal and bogus right now


well at the least we have a title game, and thats a start. teams used to win titles despite losing their bowl games!!

I have no idea what the hell you mean by Homer Simpson syndrome. I never felt that that Buckeyes should have been #1 going into the season. I'm of the opinion that the #1 team to lead off the season should be the defending champ. Going one step further, what is the point of having rankings/polls if the bowl participants are based on the BCS rankings? Why not have all teams unranked until the BCS starts its numbers in October?

That said, since Ohio State was ranked first at the season's beginning, they have done nothing in the first two weeks to warrant dropping from there. I'll be the first to admit that I don't think they will go undefeated as I already stated in this thread earlier.

As far as ND beating OSU just because, as you stated, AJ Hawk is gone...well, you're entitled to that opinion. Hawk was an animal last year, but OSU kicked the hell out ND on both sides of the ball. No question that the defense centered around him. But IMO Quinn does not bring the same athleticism and intanglibles that Troy Smith possesses.

No, I don't think it would be fair if ND was out of the championship game if their only loss was to Michigan. What IS unfair is that if 2 teams have one loss, the factor having the most bearing on their bowl bid seems to be WHEN the game was lost. I think it's a load of crap when a team loses in September and is ok for the BCS title game but another team goes undefeated until its LAST game and is knocked out.

I have no idea what the hell you mean by Homer Simpson syndrome. I never felt that that Buckeyes shold have been #1 going into the season. I'm of the opinion that the #1 team to lead off the season should be the defending champ.


well, you're a homer, we have lots of them in austin.


no the #1 team to lead off the season should not invariably be the defending champs. what if they lose every single starter, its a different team.

WHY DONT U GIVE US YOUR TOP FIVE GOOMBAH?

1osu
2miami oh
3akron ohio
4bowling green ohio
5ohio bobcats

Not understanding your logic here at all. Ohio State is #1 going into a game against the defending national champions. Ohio State kicks the snot out of Texas in a game that was essentially over early in the 3rd quarter. Ohio State also throttles Notre Dame in the Fiesta Bowl last year and, somehow, this should warrant a slippage in their ranking??? [/b][/quote]the rankings really mean nothing. if u take a lot of stock in the Texas win then your team is looking quite well right now. HOWEVER....

if ND goes undefeated, and the SEC champ is undefeated, UR FUCKED. if ND is not undefeated then guess who probably is? UHM...USC? they finished pretty well too last yr buckeye fans.

(we will have to discuss your definition of logic at a later time)