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Re: How bout them Yankees!? [Re: Double-J] #342094
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Yes. There are quite a few contrasts with the White Sox of 2005 starting with management. Leyland and Pudge have always flown the steady course. Tigers may not be the best team, but their singleness of purpose and focus are unmatched.

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Originally Posted By: klydon1
Those pitching prospects weren't acquired to develop. They're going to be chips to deal next July at the trade deadline.


I'm not so sure about that...after all, they aren't exactly big name prospects, and the Yankees farm system has actually been (I know, shockingly) nurturing and fostering our prospects. Look at Cano, Wang, and Cabrera. All of whom were players that were going to just be trade bait - and now two of them are starters and one should be the starting LF who has some great fielding skills (Just DH Matsui...it will be fine).



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NEW YORK -- The Yankees and Orioles were discussing a deal Saturday that would send Jaret Wright to Baltimore for prospects.

Wright and Yankees teammate Mike Mussina filed provisionally for free agency Saturday, awaiting decisions on team options for 2007.

New York had until Sunday to exercise a $7 million option on Wright, a deal that carries a $4 million buyout. While the Yankees have until Wednesday to decide on Mussina's $17 million option, which has a $1.5 million buyout, the team and the pitcher's agent have been discussing a new two-year contract in the $20 million to $25 million range.

Wright, a right-hander who turns 31 next month, has been a disappointment in two seasons with the Yankees. He was 5-5 with a 6.08 ERA in 2005, when he injured a shoulder and was limited to 13 starts, then went 11-7 with a 4.49 ERA this year, only rarely lasting past the sixth inning.

A trade would leave Chien-Ming Wang and Randy Johnson, coming off back surgery, as the only definite returning starting pitchers for the Yankees, likely to be joined by Mussina. Yankees general manager Brian Cashman admitted Thursday that the team can't count on Carl Pavano, who hasn't pitched for the Yankees since June 2005 because of shoulder, backs, buttocks, elbow and rib injuries.

It was not clear which players the Orioles would send to the Yankees if a deal was struck.


Please...please...please. Smart moves. Re-sign these guys and get prospects rather than just casting them off in free agency, as long as there are teams (Detroit, Baltimore, etc.) that are willing to give these chips up for these malcontents and underachievers. Cashman is scoring big points with me so far this offseason.

Now trade A-Rod, and I'll love you forever.



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It's all but official...Jaret Wright is G-O-N-E!!!

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Jaret Wright reportedly will be staying in the AL East next season -- but not with the Yankees.



New York will trade the right-handed starting pitcher to the Baltimore Orioles, according to newspaper reports out of New York and Baltimore.

The Baltimore Sun, citing two Orioles sources, is reporting that Baltimore will send reliever Chris Britton to the Yankees for Wright and $4 million, the amount it would have cost the Yankees to buy out Wright's contract.

The trade won't become official until the commissioner's office signs off on the deal, since more than $1 million in cash is being exchanged, the newspaper reported.

Wright, a right-hander who turns 31 next month, has been a disappointment in two seasons with the Yankees. He was 5-5 with a 6.08 ERA in 2005, when he injured a shoulder and was limited to 13 starts, then went 11-7 with a 4.49 ERA this year, only rarely lasting past the sixth inning.

The trade will leave Chien-Ming Wang and Randy Johnson, coming off back surgery, as the only definite returning starting pitchers for the Yankees, likely to be joined by Mike Mussina.

While the Yankees have until Wednesday to decide on Mussina's $17 million option, which has a $1.5 million buyout, the team and the pitcher's agent have been discussing a new two-year contract in the $20 million to $25 million range.

Yankees general manager Brian Cashman admitted Thursday that the team can't count on Carl Pavano, who hasn't pitched for the Yankees since June 2005 because of shoulder, backs, buttocks, elbow and rib injuries.

Britton was 0-2 with a 3.35 ERA and one save in 52 games for the Orioles in 2006.



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Britton looks like he's got a good WHIP (1.17) and a decent ERA (3.35) so I guess the Yanks really want to stock up on relievers...Britton looks massive though, I'm surprised the Yankees aren't more concerned about his Ponson-like weight.



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Originally Posted By: Double-J
It's all but official...Jaret Wright is G-O-N-E!!!


That's good that Wright's gone and they're getting relievers but are they even gonna have enough guys to fill the rotation? Wang, Unit and for the most part Moose are the only 3 "for sure" starts. What about the last 2 spots?

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Hughes? Matsuzaka? Karstens? There are a few more options from within, but the Yankees also have A-Rod and possibly Melky to dangle for teams during this offseason.



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Between DJ and Irishman, DJ is Brian Cashman and Irishman are the sucker teams willing to trade for either washed-up or underacheiving talent.

That is, DJ is impressing me. Irishman is all bright lights in the eyes.

Yes, I agree with DJ. Cashman is doing great so far as GM. The Yankees are finally amputating the corners of fat that've dragged them down for the last few years.

Coinciding with this, who's heard the reports that Steinbrenner has been ill? I mean, Cashman getting rid of space-wasters while Papa George is MIA? I smell a pattern.

Thing is, I just don't think A-Rod will be moved in the off-season. I don't know why, but I just have this good feeling of instinct that it just won't.

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Thing is, I just don't think A-Rod will be moved in the off-season. I don't know why, but I just have this good feeling of instinct that it just won't.


I know publicly Cashman has said they won't move him, but I have to think that if something comes along like Aramis Ramirez and starting pitching (Cubs) or Crede and starting pitching (ChiSox) or even (however unlikely) Dontrelle Willis for A-Rod with the Yankees absorbing the vast majority of his contract (Florida), he'll be gone. I don't think George is willing to risk another season on Rodriguez, just because he has twice now failed to deliver in the offseason and his defense at the hot corner is now, more than ever, suspect.




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Originally Posted By: Double-J
Hughes? Matsuzaka? Karstens? There are a few more options from within, but the Yankees also have A-Rod and possibly Melky to dangle for teams during this offseason.


I haven't heard anything about Hughest being moved up and again, ESPN is reporting Boston has the high bid for Matsuzaka

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Originally Posted By: Double-J





The new guy looks like a fatter version of the old guy.

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Sources: Red Sox big high of $42M for Matsuzaka

The Red Sox bid $42 million for the right to negotiate with prized Japanese pitcher Daisuke Matsuzaka, sources told ESPN's Peter Gammons. Boston's bid far exceeded any other team's offer.

Matsuzaka will learn Tuesday whether the Seibu Lions have accepted a bid for him by a major league team.


Major League Baseball and the Japanese commissioner's office will make simultaneous announcements at 8 p.m. ET Tuesday (10 a.m. Tokyo time Wednesday), MLB spokesman Pat Courtney said Monday at the big league general managers' meetings.


The amount of the highest bid was forwarded by the major league commissioner's office to the Japanese commissioner's office last Wednesday, and the Lions have until Tuesday to accept. Only if the offer is accepted will the identity of the winning team be revealed.

Matsuzaka, a right-hander who pitched for Japan's World Baseball Classic champions, is considered among the top prospects available this offseason.

If the Lions accept the top bid, the winning bidder has 30 days to reach an agreement with Matsuzaka. If a deal cannot be reached, he would return to the Lions for the 2007 Japanese baseball season and the bid will not be paid.

There are three reasons the deal would make sense for the Red Sox:

• Talent evaluators who have seen Matsuzaka say he's a top of the rotation-quality pitcher who would improve the Red Sox staff.

• If Boston signs him it would effectively plant a Red Sox flag in the growing Far East market.

• By merely winning the bidding the Red Sox would block the Yankees from acquiring Matsuzaka. By signing him, they would gain the same kind of advantage the Yankees gained when they signed Johnny Damon away from Boston.

Source: ESPN

A resounding F*CK!

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I haven't heard anything about Hughest being moved up and again, ESPN is reporting Boston has the high bid for Matsuzaka


Pick up a copy of today's NY Times - Cashman feels pretty comfortable with our young crop with Karstens, Hughes, and Rasner.

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The Yankees acquired reliever Chris Britton from the Orioles Sunday in the first trade between the teams since 1992.

The Yankees are closing in on a new contract for starter Mike Mussina, they traded outfielder Gary Sheffield to Detroit on Friday, and yesterday they sent starter Jaret Wright to Baltimore for reliever Chris Britton.

“So far, we are being aggressive if something makes sense,” Cashman said. “We’ve made two trades before the G.M. meetings even start; I’ve been with the Yankees for 20 years, and I don’t remember that ever happening. We’re ready and prepared to hit the ground running.”

The Yankees could have let Wright go by paying a $4 million buyout, or brought him back at a $7 million salary. Instead, they found an alternate solution: They sent the $4 million and Wright to the Orioles, who were eager to reunite Wright with the pitching coach Leo Mazzone.

“In this marketplace, there’s value in having a starter for $3 million,” said Jim Duquette, the Orioles’ vice president for baseball operations. “And the last time Leo and Jaret were together, in Atlanta, it was a pretty positive experience. We thought it would be a good chance to get them reunited and hope for similar results.”

Working with Mazzone for the Braves in 2004, Wright went 15-8 with a 3.28 earned run average and piqued the interest of the Yankees, who signed him as a free agent. But his uneven performance over two years — 16-12 with a 4.99 E.R.A. — made him expendable.

Wright’s departure leaves the Yankees thin in the rotation past Chien-Ming Wang and Mussina, whose agent, Arn Tellem, said through a spokeswoman that he and Cashman had been having positive talks.

The Yankees and Mussina have been discussing a two-year contract that would probably pay Mussina about $11 million a season.

“Arn and Brian have had very productive talks and are making very good progress,” said the spokeswoman, Erin Estrada.

Yesterday was the first day teams could make offers to free agents on other teams, and the Yankees will probably try to sign two starters from a market that includes Barry Zito, Jason Schmidt, Jeff Suppan, Ted Lilly, Randy Wolf and Gil Meche.

As for the Japanese starter Daisuke Matsuzaka, the Yankees have little hope of signing him. Matsuzaka’s team, the Seibu Lions, has not formally accepted the highest bid for his negotiating rights, but the Boston Red Sox are expected to have made it. An announcement could come today.

The courtship of Matsuzaka could begin an aggressive winter for the Red Sox, who are said to have strong interest in J. D. Drew, who opted out of the three years and $33 million remaining on his Los Angeles Dodgers contract. If he signs with Boston, he would replace Trot Nixon in right field.

The Yankees’ lineup is mostly set, with a right-handed-hitting first baseman — Nomar Garciaparra, perhaps — the most pressing need. The rotation is much less stable, with Randy Johnson and Carl Pavano coming off injuries.

But Cashman said the Yankees were comfortable enough with their prospects to let Wright go. He named Jeff Karstens, Darrell Rasner, Phil Hughes, Humberto Sánchez, Tyler Clippard and Steven White as potential options.

“We’ve got a lot of depth to the starting rotation that’s coming from the farm system that will give us some choices,” Cashman said. “The last few days, we’ve shed a lot of payroll. My goal is to obviously reduce the team’s payroll and increase the team’s talent pool in terms of choices and flexibility. Hopefully, these last two deals have done that.”

The trade of Sheffield, which saved the Yankees $13 million, brought two Class A relievers and Sánchez, a Class AAA starter. The Wright trade brings Britton, a right-hander who turns 24 next month and went 0-2 with a 3.35 E.R.A. in 52 games as a rookie.

Britton has struggled with weight issues; he is 6 feet 3 inches and weighed 280 pounds by the end of last season. But he has two minor league options remaining and joins a setup group that includes Brian Bruney, Scott Proctor and Kyle Farnsworth.

“We’re trying to transition to a younger, more flexible roster, and Chris Britton did a nice job last year,” Cashman said. “We feel he could be a long-term asset. We’re trying to be the best we can be in ’07 while trying to improve our long-term hopes as well.”

It was the first trade between the American League East rival Yankees and Orioles since 1992, when the Yankees traded pitcher Alan Mills to Baltimore for prospects. The Yankees had made a deal with every other major league team in the meantime.

“It’s hard to make a trade within the division, and I think they felt similarly,” Duquette said. “You really have to be careful.”


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Sources: Red Sox big high of $42M for Matsuzaka

The Red Sox bid $42 million for the right to negotiate with prized Japanese pitcher Daisuke Matsuzaka, sources told ESPN's Peter Gammons. Boston's bid far exceeded any other team's offer.

Matsuzaka will learn Tuesday whether the Seibu Lions have accepted a bid for him by a major league team.


Major League Baseball and the Japanese commissioner's office will make simultaneous announcements at 8 p.m. ET Tuesday (10 a.m. Tokyo time Wednesday), MLB spokesman Pat Courtney said Monday at the big league general managers' meetings.


The amount of the highest bid was forwarded by the major league commissioner's office to the Japanese commissioner's office last Wednesday, and the Lions have until Tuesday to accept. Only if the offer is accepted will the identity of the winning team be revealed.

Matsuzaka, a right-hander who pitched for Japan's World Baseball Classic champions, is considered among the top prospects available this offseason.

If the Lions accept the top bid, the winning bidder has 30 days to reach an agreement with Matsuzaka. If a deal cannot be reached, he would return to the Lions for the 2007 Japanese baseball season and the bid will not be paid.

There are three reasons the deal would make sense for the Red Sox:

• Talent evaluators who have seen Matsuzaka say he's a top of the rotation-quality pitcher who would improve the Red Sox staff.

• If Boston signs him it would effectively plant a Red Sox flag in the growing Far East market.

• By merely winning the bidding the Red Sox would block the Yankees from acquiring Matsuzaka. By signing him, they would gain the same kind of advantage the Yankees gained when they signed Johnny Damon away from Boston.

Source: ESPN

A resounding F*CK!


Congrats to the Red Sox for winning the bid and proving once again that they can no longer use their excuse of the "Evil Empire" since it's clear that they're willing to dole out egregious amounts of cash. Hell, they haven't even signed him...that's just $45 to buy the rights to talk to him. It's like an expensive phone call.

Like Klydon and I discussed before, he's still a risk, and he may or may not pay off. We'll see how he adjusts to American baseball.



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"Believe it or not, teams are contacting the Yankees about trading for right-hander Carl Pavano; the Rockies are one club that might have interest if the Yankees paid a portion of the $21 million that Pavano is owed over the next two seasons.
The Yankees, naturally, say they won't give Pavano away; their public position is that they want him to get healthy and be productive. Still, it's difficult to imagine the Yankees rejecting even a mediocre offer for a pitcher who has been a severe disappointment.

One rotation possibility that the Yankees might consider, with or without Pavano: Right-hander Scott Proctor, who was one of the team's best relievers last season."

Source: FOX Sports

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I think I'd only use Proctor as a last resort in the starting rotation. I'd try to re-sign Villone if I could...with Britton coming on and Bruney staying put, J. Brent Cox and Jose Veras coming up to round out middle relief, I think the bullpen should be good. If they can find another good set-up man (unless they're confident in Farnsworth? I'd actually move Proctor to set-up).

And dish Pavano as well. Get someone young like Gil Meche in there.



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Boston's high bid was $51.1 million. You're right DJ, boston fans don't have a reason to gripe now about the amount of money the Yankees spend on players, when boston make's this type of bid just to NEGOTIATE a contract with a player who has never thrown a major league pitch.

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That's actually really egregious money...I thought the $25 or so million the Yankees supposedly bid was alot, but damn. Like I said before, the Red Sox just made the most expensive phone call in history.



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If (or rather when) boston signs Matsuzaka, do you think boston will be the favorites to win the AL East AND the World Series? You've gotta admit, that pitching staff will look pretty deadly with Schilling, Matsuzaka, Beckett, Papelbon, etc.

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If (or rather when) boston signs Matsuzaka, do you think boston will be the favorites to win the AL East AND the World Series? You've gotta admit, that pitching staff will look pretty deadly with Schilling, Matsuzaka, Beckett, Papelbon, etc.


No way.

Schilling's best days are behind him;Matsuzaka is unproven in the big leagues; Papelbon has to do it again to convince me he's good; and Beckett didn't impress last year.

I really thought at the beginning of last season that the Sox didn't have the talent to make the post-season.

It seems to me that the Yankees and Red Sox habitually make moves that are motivated by the need to spite each other that they lose focus on the essential ingredients necessary to put together a complementary team.

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If (or rather when) boston signs Matsuzaka, do you think boston will be the favorites to win the AL East AND the World Series? You've gotta admit, that pitching staff will look pretty deadly with Schilling, Matsuzaka, Beckett, Papelbon, etc.


No way.

Schilling's best days are behind him;Matsuzaka is unproven in the big leagues; Papelbon has to do it again to convince me he's good; and Beckett didn't impress last year.

I really thought at the beginning of last season that the Sox didn't have the talent to make the post-season.

It seems to me that the Yankees and Red Sox habitually make moves that are motivated by the need to spite each other that they lose focus on the essential ingredients necessary to put together a complementary team.


I agree that Schilling's best days are behind him but he didn't have a bad year at all. He was 15-7 with a 3.97 ERA (not too bad coming from a guy who's 40-years-old AND came back from an ankle injury that bothered him since the 2004 playoffs).

I also agree that Matsuzaka is unproven in the bigs thus far but he must be pretty darn good if teams like the Yankees and Red Sox are willing to spend this type of money just to negotiate a contract. $51.1 million is a BIG gamble and boston seems to think he's worth it.

I further agree that Papelbon has to prove himself again before I believe him (much like the Detroit Tigers next year and Chicago White Sox this past year). But you've gotta admit, 35 saves with a 0.92 ERA in his first year is pretty impressive from any standard.

Finally, I agree that Beckett didn't impress anyone last year. However, I'm positive his '07 season will be better than his '06 season in which he went 16-11 with a 5.01 ERA. He can't get much worse and I wouldn't be surprised at all to see him come back better next year now that he's got his first "transition" year of AL work under his belt.

Boston missing the playoffs this year really never entered my mind. They were a better team defensively and their offense was their most of the year (how many games did Ortiz win this year?). Boston may not have the stacked lineup the Yankees have but when the #3 & #4 hitters come up, they do damage and drive in runs. Let's not forget this was a boston team that was in first place most of this past season and crapped out in early August.

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Originally Posted By: Irishman12
If (or rather when) boston signs Matsuzaka, do you think boston will be the favorites to win the AL East AND the World Series? You've gotta admit, that pitching staff will look pretty deadly with Schilling, Matsuzaka, Beckett, Papelbon, etc.


Hah!

Boston has waaaaaay too many holes to fill on its roster, even if they get decent starting pitching. Schilling is an old man, and even if he gives them good stuff, he's only one guy. Matsuzaka will probably have a good year but he's unproven. Beckett gets rocked waaaaaay too often, and basically is sort of the Bizzaro-Boston version of the Yankees Carl Pavano, except he can pitch ( ), but both got big money as free agents to join their respective teams and neither has done the job. Papelbon? That wanker? Maybe as a closer, but take a lesson from Mariano Rivera, mohawk-man: relief pitching doesn't equal starting pitching. Rivera was a terrible starting pitcher but the best closer of all-time. Papelbon should hopefully get rocked as well in long games.

Who else do they have? They have zero depth in their farm system, as last season proved when there were injuries.

Either way, even with all this doom and gloom for their rotation, they have much bigger defensive issues to take care of - namely shortstop/2B, outfield, and their comatose bullpen.

Favorites to win the AL East and World Series? Bah. They aren't even favorites to win the AL Wild Card. I wouldn't be surprised if they missed the playoffs again entirely.




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Favorites to win the AL East and World Series? Bah. They aren't even favorites to win the AL Wild Card. I wouldn't be surprised if they missed the playoffs again entirely.



That's a bold statement my friend, but I like it!

Sox can no longer whine about 'Evil Empire'
By Michael Rosenberg


I hate to slap any limits on free speech, but from now on, there are two words I never again want to hear out of the city of Boston.

"Evil Empire."

And I really, really don't want to hear them out of Larry Lucchino's mouth.

No more complaining about the Yankees' payroll, Red Sox fans. Your team is the second-fattest cat on the block.

The Red Sox just won the Daisuke Matsuzaka sweepstakes with an astounding $51.1 million bid. They are not paying $51.1 million for Matsuzaka's services. They are paying the Seibu Lions $51.1 million just for the right to negotiate with Matsuzaka. Just to get in the door. If they can't reach an agreement with Matsuzaka, the Red Sox get their money back. But they are expected to reach a deal.

Six major league teams spent less than that on their entire 2006 payroll.

Now, it is possible that the Red Sox aren't really paying that much; deals with Japanese teams are rumored to feature more secret handshakes than sixth-grade recess. But they are obviously spending a ton. Once they get around to actually, you know, paying the pitcher, their total bill could reach $100 million over five years.

The Red Sox see Matsuzaka as a 26-year-old ace and a gateway to the Japanese market, which explains why they see this as an investment.

But Matsuzaka has never even pitched in the major leagues. For all we know, the secret to his famed "gyroball" is illegally applied yogurt sauce, and he'll be a bust here.

If the Yankees made an offer like this, you know what would happen.

Lucchino, the Red Sox president, and many Boston fans would whine that the Yankees were spending recklessly, messing up baseball's payroll structure, sending the country into a recession and complicating the situation in the Middle East.

Four years ago, when the Yankees outbid Boston for Jose Contreras, an angry Lucchino told The New York Times "the evil empire extends its tentacles even into Latin America."

That deal was for four years and $32 million.

The Red Sox will apparently pay more just for the right to negotiate.

Hey, it's their money. They have it and they can spend it how they please. Maybe it will turn into a brilliant move, both for the baseball team and the business.

I just don't want to hear any whining from Boston fans about the Yankees payroll. Last year, the Yankees spent around $199 million, which is nuts. But the No. 2 team was the Red Sox, at $120 million, for a team that finished in third place in the A.L East.

Nobody else was above $103 million.

Thanks to baseball's revenue-sharing system, pretty much any team with good management and a strong business plan can compete for the playoffs. But for at least two-thirds of the teams in the major leagues, the idea of bidding anywhere near this much for a guy who has never pitched in the majors is absurd.

And when you add the astounding news of a $51.1 million offer to the reality of the Red Sox' payroll, you can only come to one conclusion:

The Red Sox are aggressively exploiting every possible revenue stream, creatively growing their big-market business in any way they can, then plowing their extra millions back into their ballclub in a vigorous attempt to compete for the World Series every year.

Nothing wrong with that.

But that's exactly what the Yankees do.

It can't be evil for one team and OK for another. It can't be horrible and offensive and ruining baseball when the Yankees do it and just fine when the Red Sox do it.

When it comes to baseball's economics, the only difference between the Red Sox and Yankees is that Boston is a really big market that loves baseball, and New York is a huge market that loves baseball.

If the Red Sox want to order a large, expensive platter of gyroballs, that is their right. But please, waiter: hold the morality play.

Source: FOX Sports

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I agree. Boston has their long-awaited ring. They spend as much as the Yankees. I'm sorry, but they don't have shit to call anything on the Yankees anymore.

MEANWHILE, Joe Giradi wins NL Manager of the Year. Yeah Marlins, you still think firing him was a smart move?

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I agree. Boston has their long-awaited ring. They spend as much as the Yankees. I'm sorry, but they don't have shit to call anything on the Yankees anymore.



Wow, I know this doesn't happen very often but I agree with you ronnie. I've been tired of hearing boston whine, b*tch, and moan about this subject for year's now. They're been #2 in terms of spending the past few seasons and they act like they're the victims (because they didn't sign A-Rod or resign Damon over money).

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Yanks re-sign Moose to a two-year deal!



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Good, another sign-up for the Yankee Pension Fund.

Is it me, or was Irishman earlier trying to hype up the fucked Red Sox's chances in 2007, just to say that, when they do fail, that the "Red Cocks" can't cut the mustard with the Yankees?

Still, $51 million for just the right to negotiate with this unproven pitcher? That's like spending $100 on a phone call to order up a $20 blowjob. Its silly.

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Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Good, another sign-up for the Yankee Pension Fund.

Is it me, or was Irishman earlier trying to hype up the fucked Red Sox's chances in 2007, just to say that, when they do fail, that the "Red Cocks" can't cut the mustard with the Yankees?

Still, $51 million for just the right to negotiate with this unproven pitcher? That's like spending $100 on a phone call to order up a $20 blowjob. Its silly.


Yes, that caught my eye also. Maybe Irish has gotten some anger management help.

But Bitch and moan all you want Yankee Fans, about what the Boston team is spending. The Yankees still out spent Boston by 60-70%. Yes, that is percentage. I don't care how many Yankee fans yell and scream about this. Unless Boston spends close to what the Yankee payroll is the it hasn't change a fuckin thing. And I don't care how many ass kissing sports writer say it.

It doesn't take a math major to understand the difference between 200 million and 120 million in payroll. Boston is the 2nd highest, but what about all the other teams that are sending far less the Boston. It makes the gap between those teams even larger from the Yankees.

Just to set the record straight. I think all team that pay these prices are just showing the Avg. American how fucked up this sport is getting. For crying out loud. People are killing themselves trying to provide for their families and make ends meet for what these guys get for less then one game. Now this is getting out of whack.

Tell it to the old, the poor who can't pay their bills or afford their Meds.... I know the two things don't mean shit, but damn, when Baseball fans are bitching about what each team is spending like they are talking about fake money and their are so many problems for so many people, we have to start to say, enough is enough.


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We're not defending the Yankees, since its obvious our payroll is egregious.

The problem I have with Boston fans is when they cry poormouth about how they can't compete with the Yankee payroll, blah blah blah. Well, they just spent $51 million to negotiate with a free agent. It doesn't get any more egregious than that.



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Originally Posted By: Double-J
The problem I have with Boston fans is when they cry poormouth about how they can't compete with the Yankee payroll, blah blah blah. Well, they just spent $51 million to negotiate with a free agent. It doesn't get any more egregious than that.


I couldn't agree with you more DJ. And for those doubters, no I wasn't "pumping up boston's chances." I really think if they get Matsuzaka they'll have one of the best pitching staffs in the league (if not THE best). And as I said before, boston can scores runs even with their current roster.

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BTW - Kudos to the Red Sox for shopping Manny around yet again. That can only help the Yankee cause.



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