I'd rather have my children figure it out for themselves and not instill any kind of agenda in them DC

UN Resolution 83 approved by the UN Security Council in June, 1950 called upon UN membership to provide military forces to repel North Korea's invasion of South Korea. That they did and repelled the North Korean armed forces north of the 38th parallel which was the original Korean peninsula demarcation line. Thus, success was achieved. That resolution did not call upon UN members to do any more than what they did. That's a win in my book.

By UN member you really mean the US and UK and the sheer suffering from that horrid conflict did not solve the situation. The war is still on officially, so there is no win

Through a 'cease fire' agreement, one that has thankfully remained unbroken for all these years. 'Mission Accomplished'...for as long as that remains the case. The war itself never actually ended

Interesting you should state it was ' It was not a matter of winning a war on the part of the U.S.' ... since earlier you referred to it as a 'great victory'.

Apple

Wars never really 'end.' Texas has been fighting Mexico for 200 yrs, Pakistan is still fighting India, the Koreans were fighting one another before and after the U.S/Soviet involvement. This list goes on and on and on.

Most ppl fail to view it this way, but its true. There are lots and lots of wars waging today. Maybe not the traditional ones with f-16's and atom bombs, but ppl are dying and will continue to die in these 'never ending wars' that continue to rage at this very moment.

Wars do end. I mean, Germany isn't still fighting France. Eventually a war will end

Nah, those wars w/ France and Germany have been raging since antiquity. Again, maybe no F-16's or atom bombs, but a war all the same.

It goes on and on.

World War I can be traced back to the pri-mordial
German forests and the times of Tacitus. It didn't just end all of the sudden in 1945.

I don't see France and Germany fighting now at all. Also, this is wandering off topic

Some of you really, really need to learn some history and semantics. Firty-seven (47) nations contributed military forces to the effort to repel the North Korean invaders. Proportionately, Canadians suffered the most casualities.

UN forces achieved the objective that was clearly and explicitly defined by the UN resolution that was approved by the UN Security Council. That resolution did not use the word war. There was no declaration of war by either side.

So if some extremist fanatic jihadist got your son or daughters ear, and instilled in your son or daughter that they were doing God's work by carrying out a suicide bombing attack, and your son or daughter figured out, for themselves, that what they were about to do was the right thing, you'd have no problem with it. At least your answer is an honest one that has now given me a better understanding of the type of person that you are.


Don Cardi

Of course they do. They usually end when the losing side signs something called a 'Surrender', such as Japan and Germany did at the conclusion of WWII. It's possible that even Saddam Hussein signed one at the conclusion of the Gulf War, only he did not adhere to the terms he agreed to in order to be allowed to remain in power (Result: Bush 43 cleaning up after Bush 41 and Clinton 42).

Most ppl fail to view it this way, but its true.

You can certainly say that the issues that were fought over during WWI remained unresolved and therefore led to WWII...but BOTH did end with a clear victory and defeat.

Far as I know...no one has yet 'surrendered' with regard to the Korean Conflict.

Apple

And again, I'll repeat what I said earlier and hopefully this time you'll understand my point. It was a great victory for the free world because it stopped the spread of communism and it allowed the South Koreans to live in a democracy. That, in itself, is a victory in my book.

Besides, the original statement made by another member was that the Korean War was a failure.

I've explained to you both why I feel that is was a victory. Now it's time for you to explain to me why you feel it was a failure.

Don Cardi

That's really not what he said. While I don't agree with Mad Johnny I believe you're putting words in his mouth in order to further your own argument.

Shame on you, DC...although I have to say that when you do on occasion resort to these tactics it gives a better understanding of the type of person that you are.



Apple

HINT: Pick up a volume of early Teutonic history and it will show you the roots of WWI in around the yr 200.

I'm sure you knew that though.

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I can post laughys too.

For the record, although the US signed a peace treaty with Germany after WWI, the US Senate refused to ratify it. Thius, there is no such treaty. Also, many times after WWII, the Soviet Union threatened to sign a peace treaty with East Germany that the US opposed them doing. The US has not signed a peace treaty with Germany. So, are we stil at war with Germany? You tell me. Can you say "Korea?"

Too bad DJ is physically unable to weigh in on the Korean war... he used to be the resident Truman expert

Nope, you're not correct. In both examples you cited, the other side surrendered thereby ending the conflict

I specifically referred to the signing of 'Surrenders', usually 'Unconditional Surrenders'...not 'peace treaties'.

Like I said...you can correctly state that the conflicts that lead to wars are never resolved for sometimes centuries...but the wars themselves do end. That is why almost every generation in recorded history has had to live through one.

The Korean Conflict has not ended, as neither side has surrendered. There was a cease fire. While Democracy has prevailed in South Korea which is a wonderful thing..neither side has emerged completely victorious.

Apple

Why not let him answer for himself? He's capable of it. He knows what he said. He clearly said that he would NOT instill any kind of agenda in them and would let them figure it out for themselves. So I don't see that I was putting words in Johnny's mouth.




Coming from the type of person that you have shown yourself to be, I'll take that as a comliment.



Don Cardi

Is there something wrong with him?

I would hope that somebody would let us know if something was wrong.


Don Cardi

What in the world do you figure is complete victory? Once again, the UN resolution requested the contribution of military forces to repel the North Korean invasion. Such forces were contributed and the North Korean invasion was repelled. That is complete victory.

It took a second invasion?


Don Cardi

When American CIA and British MI-6 were fighting against Russian KGB and East German Stasi after WWII no one saw that either. But there was still lots of killing and it was just as important a war as the WWII itself. Our intelligence agencies and black-operations units fight 'unseen' wars all over the world every day. As do the Germans and French.

Awww, now DC...don't let on to the entire list that you're sore because I haven't responded to your PM olive branches. If anything, I've ALWAYS shown myself to be the same way on this board, take-it-or-leave-it, like it or not. It was others who have revealed their petty, selfish traits over the past months, and THAT is what I respond to in kind and perhaps what YOU don't like.

But back to the topic at hand:

"So if some extremist fanatic jihadist got your son or daughters ear, and instilled in your son or daughter that they were doing God's work by carrying out a suicide bombing attack, and your son or daughter figured out, for themselves, that what they were about to do was the right thing, you'd have no problem with it."

THAT is what I'd call putting words into someone's mouth. But you are correct in one thing...Mad Johnny has not yet responded to it.

Apple

You perceived them as being olive branches. Sorry that you took it that way.

But back to the topic :

When did you become Mad Johnny's spokesperson?


Don Cardi

It was obvious what he was trying to do so there was no reason for me to respond to that

I miss DJ, he could have put everyone in their place

You know what, I'll bite. Is there a reason why you have to make it seem like Double-J is dead when in truth he was only suspended for a few days and was reinstated the same time you were?

Why not cool it with all this R.I.P. and I wish he were still around talk, he can come back whenever he wants, just like you did.

If he could come back, he would