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Re: Why Didn't Michael Remarry? #34977
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Even if he had wanted to remarry, what were his prospects? I don't see that there would be many suitable women in terested in Michael and his baggage, and by the End of GF II it would not appear like Michael would exactly be a fun guy to date.


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Re: Why Didn't Michael Remarry? #34979
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No one has any thoughts on my question? confused

Re: Why Didn't Michael Remarry? #34980
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Is there a subtle implication of incest?
Incest? eek C'mon....what we got here it's just a brother and a sister who are ageing alone and take comfort from each other. Nothing more than pure brotherly affection.


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Originally posted by dontomasso:
Even if he had wanted to remarry, what were his prospects? I don't see that there would be many suitable women in terested in Michael and his baggage, and by the End of GF II it would not appear like Michael would exactly be a fun guy to date.
Why? If FFC concentrated on his worst moments, maybe worst in life, it doesn't mean he was always in such mood. Impossible from the point of human nature.
As to the women - as much as he wishes. And he has long relationships with thunderbolt. Cannot it be aranged above that one of them will see him and - grin


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Re: Why Didn't Michael Remarry? #34982
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If FFC concentrated on his worst moments, maybe worst in life, it doesn't mean he was always in such mood. Impossible from the point of human nature.
This is in fact a major flaw in an otherwise absolutely perfect movie (and book? I don't know if this is true for the book too, 'cause I haven't read it yet! tongue ). There is very little room given to Michael's (and other characters' as well) private life. I would have liked very much his love feelings (both for Kay and for Apollonia) to be much more elaborated. We got so few love (and sex) scenes.


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Re: Why Didn't Michael Remarry? #34983
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[b] If FFC concentrated on his worst moments, maybe worst in life, it doesn't mean he was always in such mood. Impossible from the point of human nature.
This is in fact a major flaw in an otherwise absolutely perfect movie (and book? I don't know if this is true for the book too, 'cause I haven't read it yet! tongue ). There is very little room given to Michael's (and other characters' as well) private life. I would have liked very much his love feelings (both for Kay and for Apollonia) to be much more elaborated. We got so few love (and sex) scenes. [/b]
Oh no, the book is free from that flaw. We get enough of that. Quite enough. Speaking of sex... err - too enough... grin


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Re: Why Didn't Michael Remarry? #34984
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Oh no, the book is free from that flaw. We get enough of that. Quite enough. Speaking of sex... err - too enough... grin
Really? eek I definitely MUST read it then! tongue lol


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Re: Why Didn't Michael Remarry? #34985
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[b] If FFC concentrated on his worst moments, maybe worst in life, it doesn't mean he was always in such mood. Impossible from the point of human nature.
This is in fact a major flaw in an otherwise absolutely perfect movie (and book? I don't know if this is true for the book too, 'cause I haven't read it yet! tongue ). There is very little room given to Michael's (and other characters' as well) private life. I would have liked very much his love feelings (both for Kay and for Apollonia) to be much more elaborated. We got so few love (and sex) scenes. [/b]
IMO, more sex scenes would have been bad. I like the serious nature of the movie. I do not want any reduction in the tension, seriousness and tragedy. No! I don't want comic reliefs at all. That is why I hate the Roberto scene in GF2. The appolonia nude scene is not bad (what can be bad about seeing naked women lol ) , but just not necessary. FFC did a good job, considering that the source material was full of sex.

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IMO, more sex scenes would have been bad. I like the serious nature of the movie. I do not want any reduction in the tension, seriousness and tragedy. No! I don't want comic reliefs at all. That is why I hate the Roberto scene in GF2. The appolonia nude scene is not bad (what can be bad about seeing naked women lol ) , but just not necessary. FFC did a good job, considering that the source material was full of sex.
lol How funny, Svsg, one year ago we had a similar discussion about the same topic!!! grin Apparently I didn't change my mind meanwhile, nor did you! lol

take a look here


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Re: Why Didn't Michael Remarry? #34987
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Lavi, come on, read it at once. If you have problems with purchasing it, I'll mail it to you, it costs nothing. wink


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Lavi, come on, read it at once. If you have problems with purchasing it, I'll mail it to you, it costs nothing. wink
Thanks, but I have the novel, JM. It costed nothing indeed.... grin Truth is I'm sooooooooooo lazy!!!!! blush


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Re: Why Didn't Michael Remarry? #34989
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Isn't anybody going to tell me if Michael wore his wedding ring in GF3? (... asks Cristina, who is starting to drive people crazy by posting this question for about the 5th time when obviously nobody who has the GF3 DVD or VHS wants to sit through that movie again and fast forward to scenes featuring Michael just so they can satisfy her curiosity over such a frivolous detail, but she can't help herself; she really wants to know -- hint -- hint.) grin

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[b] IMO, more sex scenes would have been bad. I like the serious nature of the movie. I do not want any reduction in the tension, seriousness and tragedy. No! I don't want comic reliefs at all. That is why I hate the Roberto scene in GF2. The appolonia nude scene is not bad (what can be bad about seeing naked women lol ) , but just not necessary. FFC did a good job, considering that the source material was full of sex.
lol How funny, Svsg, one year ago we had a similar discussion about the same topic!!! grin Apparently I didn't change my mind meanwhile, nor did you! lol

take a look here [/b]
Deja Vu smile
I am going to say what I said last year. Thanks for resurrecting that thread. It is always nice to start my day with that image. tongue

Re: Why Didn't Michael Remarry? #34991
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OK people. I have to post this before this topic slips off the first page of the board.

I have searched the internet for pictures of Michael from GF3, but I can't find any that show his hands with enough clarity. I want to know if Michael is wearing his wedding ring in GF3.

I am hoping someone who has seen GF3 recently will put on his/her memory cap and post the answer here. Or, if someone has the GF3 DVD and he/she wants to fast forward to any Michael scenes that show his hands, then I'll accept that too wink . Just post back here and my curiosity will be satisified. No screen caps required. cool .

Now who wouldn't have time to do this? It's not like you just had Thanksgiving and there's a Christmas holiday coming up or anything grin lol .

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Without going home and putting in the player, I will go out on a limb and YES! He was wearing a wedding ring. In fact, we watched about three weeks ago and that stuck out in my brain because that was around the time we were talking about he and Kay and their marriage.


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dburghardt, you are a gem!

So now I will assume that Michael considers himself married to Kay always and forever. How romantic! [Linked Image] (couldn't find a beating heart icon on the emoticon page, so this is the next best thing).

Anyone care to corroborate dburghardt's observation?

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Originally posted by Cristina's Way:
So now I will assume that Michael considers himself married to Kay always and forever. How romantic!
wearing a wedding ring after a divorce may be just out of a habit, CW! tongue lol


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Re: Why Didn't Michael Remarry? #34995
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Originally posted by Cristina's Way:

So now I will assume that Michael considers himself married to Kay always and forever. How romantic!
And what a strong and unexpected point in the evolution of character! grin And what's the best - so believeable... Just what you'd expect from Michael! tongue lol lol


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Ah yes, JustMe. I'll always keep in mind that, to you, GF3 doesn't count, since the characters are so unlike the book.

While I don't consider GF3 a worthy successor to GF1 and GF2, I'm less principled than you. I will shamelessly hold up GF3 as an example when it supports my opinions about anything in the first two GFs grin .

JustMe, I didn't know you were a classical musician! I wish you all the best on your concert. Don't worry about committing to a post. If you don't have time to post in the near future, the topic is sure to be brought up again in some form or another by a newer member; and you can post it then. Don't overwork yourself! I won't hold you to a promise made on the board wink .

(By the way, if you will be thinking about what to say in your post as soon as you get off the plane, then you truly are a dedicated Godfather fan and a devoted Gangster BB member! cool )

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Ah yes, JustMe. I'll always keep in mind that, to you, GF3 doesn't count, since the characters are so unlike the book.
Or rather, so unlike themselves... wink

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(By the way, if you will be thinking about what to say in your post as soon as you get off the plane, then you truly are a dedicated Godfather fan and a devoted Gangster BB member! cool )
Is somebody still in any doubt about it? grin


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Now that the Christmas and New Year's rush are over and some of you are enjoying your new DVD players and your new Godfather Trilogy DVD sets, it's time for me to bug you again with this question:

Next time you pop Godfather Part III into the player, can you post here and tell us if Michael is still wearing his wedding ring?

And thank you dburghardt for your recollection that he was. I'm just seeking one more person to corroborate your observation so I can be extra sure.

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I think he was. It's been a while. I think I'll be watching it soon for the 3-day weekend I'm having next week so I'll keep my eyes open for that!

And there is another board, I remember while reading through the board, there was a thread called "I betrayed my wife ..." and it was a poll if Michael meant Apollonia or Kay when he confessed to Cardinal Lamberto and I think he was definitely meaning Kay. I think the reason Michael probably didn't remarry was probably because he still considered Kay as his "wife."

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Thank you! Thank you! Thank you flucko! If you watch it on your long weekend, post back.

And I'm glad that someone agrees with me that Michael always considered Kay his wife wink .

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I'm probably opening a can of worms here but I have been thinking the past few days and reading various posts under different headings on the BB. I saw questions such as is Fredo gay, is Anthony gay, was Neri possibly gay? Well, I have been considering options as to why Michael never remarried after divorcing Kay. The possibility of Michael being gay, or bisexual, came to mind. If you recall, in the original novel, there was a passage where the Don "worried about his youngest son's masculinity." Now hear me out before you go ape on me. Michael always hangs out with guys. Neri is Michael's constant companion. Nowhere in the book or the movies does it mention that Neri got remarried after his divorce. Michael and Neri have a lot of eye contact. Or was it just brotherly love, or something akin to that. Michael was everything to Tom, Rocco, Neri, others. We can specualte all day, but we'll never know for sure. That's all this is, another specualtion.

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... and he kissed Fredo on the mouth wink .

exgigirl, you have a point about this "gayness" speculation running rampant. I guess because the Godfather movies were 3+ hours long, the filmmakers didn't have time to show every male character with his wife or female companion, leaving plenty of material for would-be Winegardners out there: Was Tessio gay? Was Rocco gay? Was Willi Cicci gay? What about McCluskey? Sollozzo? Fanucci? (Oops, he must have been married; he mentioned his three daughters when Vito and his pals were stealing dresses.)

I guess to be sure, we'll have to look for wedding rings on more fellows' hands than just Michael's cool .

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Don't mess with Winegardner. It corrupts. wink


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The possibility of Michael being gay, or bisexual, came to mind.
eek Tell me a donkey can fly, but don't tell me Micheal was gay! smile A gay doesn't look at a girl the way Michael looked at Apollonia. Believe me, that was a look of sexual desire, not curiosity about what lipstick she put on.
Bisexual? The fact that he was mostly in men's company doesn't mean he had an uncertain sexual identity. He simply lived in an predominantly male environment. Mafia is a men thing. Plus, c'mom....Michael is a Sicilian!!! cool lol


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Lets not forget that every time there were large scale killings (what these guys lived for) there was a church ORGAN playing HYMNS.... rolleyes

The truth of the matter is women were looked down upon and treated as second class citizens by the male dominated old world guys. It has nothing to do with sexuality (other than to suggest that their business was more important to them than matters of the flesh).

BTW - The ONLY reason I could even guess why Winegardner chose to make Fredo gay was his (Fredo's) attention paid to Superman's "equipment" in the Havana nightclub scene.


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BTW - The ONLY reason I could even guess why Winegardner chose to make Fredo gay was his (Fredo's) attention paid to Superman's "equipment" in the Havana nightclub scene.
This Winegardner must be the dumbest writer in history. Men are often kidding about other men's "equipments" (good one, SC! grin ), but this doesn't mean they are gay! eek


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