Huh?

What's your confusion Brwne Byte? Why the "Huh?"?

Notions of good and evil are a falsity; they're a bi-product of established laws. And laws in themselves are masks.

Moral: Long live anarchy!

So... are you saying Tony is bi?

In all seriousness, he probably is.

You mean, bi!?? Oh, lord, let's not go there again! lol

Is that what you mean tho???

Seriously tho, I totally get your comment Capo. Very interesting take. When I started this thread a long while back, I think I oversimplified the "bad" in the title. Maybe I should have put "heartless" or something, more specific. I've matured sice then, and I realize it's more complicated than that. I still believe tho, that Tony is not a monster, not like Omar or Sosa. Meh.

Tony was more of an animal then Omar!!!IMO.C'mon think about the comparisons.

You laugh Chopper, but there are some good arguments as to why he really is Bi in this thread: Tony being Bi(you know)

Unfortunately that thread was closed. Would Tony being Bi make him a bad person? I'm sure that in the eyes of many he would be, even if he didn't do anything illegal.

I'm sure Tony was aware of the laws in the society he lived, what he did was wrong, even he knew that. He was milking the state clean and pumping drugs (a demerit good) in the society. Soza nad others were doing the same but that doesnt mean Tony was not evil.

Sorry, I never returned to this thread.


Yeah.

I think testosterone-fuelled, drug-fuelled, sexually jealous characters like Tony in Scarface invite us into Freudian readings - incest is easy, of course, but it can probably be stretched further into homosexuality.

Irrational violence such as that in Scarface can be read as an extension of over-played ('camp') gender performance (in this case, 'masculinity'), which is closely linked to sexual repression and frustration. Look at Cagney's need to please his mother in White Heat ("Made it, Ma! Top o' the world!") or his heavily implied impotence in The Public Enemy (closely linked, in that film, to his loving relationship to his mother again).

Sexuality is pretty fluid, anyway; it's not a natural thing. I identify myself as a "homosexual male", but I couldn't for a second deny that's a product of the culture I've been brought up in, with whom I've grown up and in whom I've identified various states of desire and loss.

On a side note, I had no idea about the previous thread on Tony being bisexual until now. Blibble's pun on my "bi-product" went over my head, and I just now see the thread that was closed.

I could give a more detailed character deconstruction but would need to watch the film again, and that doesn't seem very appealing to me.

That is very interesting. I thought about those things too, becaUse at one point I read about the original Scarface, and that one of the possibilities was that Tony(Paul Muni) shot his friend when he saw him with his sister because he was attracted to the friend, and not his sister. Some people will get riled up if they hear something about Tony having homosexual feelings, because he's "Tony Montana". So yeah, it's natural to think that because a man is so "macho" and tough big bad gangster, they couldn't have those feelings! "Macho men are not homosexual" that's like, an unsaid rule or something.

And maybe that is why guys like Tony, like you say, do their gender performance, because they think they can deny or repress what they feel by being "macho". So I definatly see where you're coming from.

It wasn't written into the script,so he wasn't Bi.I think you guys are clutching at straws if you honestly think Tony like to screw ass.

Honestly, we are just speculating. We are not saying that that is for sure what he is.

Yeah, but you can read into things all you want as long as you feel the text invites you. At some point, all authors must be detached from what they create; all art must be given the space to breathe and exist outside its intended origins - whatever "authorial intention" means.

(It's interesting the amount of backlash JK Rowling got from fans for outing Dumbledore as a homosexual. In essence, though, she's not right (nor is she wrong), she's just analysing her own work. And I would argue that artists are simply their own first audience.)

This isn't "over-analysing" or "reading too much into things". I don't even claim that Tony is bi-sexual - I'd have to watch the film again to give a more detailed study, and I don't really want to because I don't like it.

Whatever, though, of potential arguments for Tony's sexuality (I won't beat a dead horse), I still think it's extremely interesting that, armed with a massive gun (substituting what?) in the climax , the first words that come out of his mouth are:

"Say hello to my little friend."

I agree with Whisper i definetly dont think Tony is a booty bandit

Yeah, but haven't you seen the deleted scene where Tony says, "Well mang, when I was an uphill gardener..."?

I think people read way to much into things sometimes,but i must say you all have excellent imaginations

Maybe things are meant to be read into way more than we do.

I doubt it

Some things, not all things.

Tony is a monster, instead of saying "f**k Lopez' money its in the car, leave my friend alone", he shut his trap and painfully watched Angel get sawed off. He obviously thought the money and the two keys of cocaine were far more important, and we all know he did that to show off to Frank, which explains why he gave everything back instead of keeping the money by saying it got lost, or a key by saying he had to flee the scene fast. Sacrificing Angel was a way to win points with the big man, who he wanted to surpass ever since he first openly tryed to seduce Elvira.

Tony was a self-centered monster. Nonetheless it is hard to not like him since he is the anti-hero of the movie.

Well, I mean he was extremely self centered. I belive he let Angel die because he was trying to get a better life for himself, true. But I do think he cared for Angel. Not in the way you and I would think of as "caring" for someone, but in the Tony way. lol

Tony Montana was a good man. A caring man with a beautiful heart. I think most people miss that about him.

yeah he mighta been a great man but why did they make it seem like he wanted to bang his sister?

Did you see his sister? If that was my sister, I'd tap that ass in a heartbeat.

he wanted to protect her, she was the only thing "pure" in his life, i dont beleive he thought of her in that was. thats ridiculous!

Believe me, he wanted to slip her the hot beef injection. It was written across his face. I didn't think it hurt the movie.

Tony is a Horrible person, but He's Awesome Ain't He???

Few things or so of what he did it was business. One part remember he didn't want the children to be blown up in the car. he does have a conscious really.