All I'm saying is 5 DL spots seemed to work out fine last year. I had a few highly-ranked players remain on the DL for months -- what was I to do, drop my #1 pick to make room for some fill-in scrub? And what good would that injured person do in the free agent pool anyway? It's easily conceivable to have 3 batters and 2 pitchers on the DL - and they are NOT all gonna be superstars.

We try to be as realistic as possible here, and I don't think it's unreasonable to have 5 DL spots to share w/ hitters and pitchers. Alas, at the same time we don't have DL spots count towards 40-man rosters either...

Any other thoughts?

5 is fine, I was trying to stir the pot a little bit, which is what I was used to in these threads, I don't think there will be any overwhelming feelings towards lowering the DL spots.

I do miss the REALLY long posts about these discussions though

Geoff, if I'm not mistaken, in real life MLB there is absolutely no limit on DL spots. A team can put as many injured guys as they need to put on the DL at the same time. And in MLB the Dl does not count against the roster limit.

I think that 5 is just fine.

Anyway what should it matter to DMC? He's one of those guys, come June, who doesn't even bother responding to trade offers, never mind signing free agents.


Don Cardi

Cardi, you have to add an * to that.....I respond to trade offers at ANYTIME for all REAL sports......

If I'm not mistaken, only those on the 60-day DL do not count towards a team's 40-man roster. I think the others do...

Baseball isn't a real sport now??

....or are you talking about, erm, "watersports" or tag-team "wrestling"?


(Great, top of page with that! )

*He only responds to trade offers in the sports that he understands.

How's that?


Don Cardi

I'm fine with the DL spots. Actually, I'm OK with most of the settings considering Plaw and I thought them through over a couple of hours through Yahoo messenger last year. The only thing that I slightly disagreed with him on (but went along anyway since it wasn't a big deal) was the manual tracking of games started for pitchers. I argued for a max innings pitched because Yahoo automatically keeps track of that while Plaw's method was a manual one. I think you remember that back-and-forth, JG. I'm still in the max innings pitched camp (easier the better for me).

Also, maybe you want to deal with the blown save issue this year? Time and time again, a blown save would wipe out 20+ points. I know I remember because it kept happening to me.

The real answer is to pick closers who don't blow saves but from what I remember, we were discussing altering the points so we wouldn't have such large deductions (primarily for psychological reasons).

No, I meant HOCKEY isn't a real sport

Oh I see... how true... how VERY true!

Hopefully this week I'll have more time to go thru the stat modifiers. Cuz God knows I was pulling my hair out last year (and I can't afford to do that much any more )

Hockey can't be a sport, it uses a puck, where else do you see a puck? A men's restroom in the urinal. A game that uses a cleaning product as the main object, can not be a sport.

-George Carlin

Manual tracking of pitchers! What a headache. I think I still have nightmares from it. That's so frustrating it's enough to make Ann Coulter turn Liberal.

You gonna play, Bethie?

I promise: No manually keeping track of anything!

I didn't know whether to pick DL spots or the Innings pitched to have my fun with, but I'm glad I picked what I did lol.

I remember the innings pitched problems last year, I agree with setting a maximum though.

Does JG understand the "proejcted numbers" for Yahoo yet?

I'm thinking about it. No manual tracking is definately a plus. But my piece of crap computer at home works when it wants to, so I've got the possibility of missed games if it's not working some days.

I'll continue from last year and just say the "Save" and "Save Opportunity" values are ridiculous.

OK! RANT!!!!

Tell you what. You guys put on a pair of skates and come on the ice with me. I haven't played in about 15 years. When you are flying down the ice and make body contact, or the other player dekes you and leaves you there looking like a fool, or you go down and block a 50MPH shot, then tell me if you still think that it's not a real sport.

A hockey player gets cut on his face or splits open his finger. He goes to the bench, gets stitched up right on the bench and is ready to paly the next shift like nothing happened.

A baseball player gets a focking hangnail, and he's on the 14 day disabled list! For God's sake, it could be 90 degrees out and the pitcher puts his jacket on to keep warm. Pansie ass baseball players.


Don Cardi

Hey DC, it's like my dear departed Sainted mother used to say :

There's no pussies in hockey -

I think that there should be NO max innings pitched. I agree with the 162 max games played at non pitching postions, but max inning pitched becomes a real pian in the ass if you ask me and takes some enjoyment out of playing. Let's face it, if a manager wanted to he could start his pitchers on 3 days rest and pitch his middle relievers and closers as much as he desires. There are no limits in MLB for innings pitched, so why have a max in fantasy? Maybe I'm missing something.


As for blown save deductions, well perhaps we could reduce the number of points lost. In truth, if a reliever comes in and blows a save, you've already been penalized by not getting the points for the save that he could have gotten, and the starting pitcher gets penalized by losing the points he would have gotten had the reliever not blown the save. So it's almost like getting penalized twice if a reliever blows a save.



Don Cardi

I took full advantage of this last year, and it's one of the main reasons I won. When I couldn't talk PL into changing it, I switched from relying on closers to middle relievers and set-up men that pitched a lot of innings. There was much less risk using non-closers since saves were only worth 2 points. The net value of a save has to be at least double of what it was last year.

The reason to put a max innings pitched for starting pitching is because of Yahoo fails to put a 162-start limit on pitching like they do everyday players. There may not be a max innings limit in MLB, but this number is finite (roughly 162 games x 9 innings + an allowance for extra inning games).

If we had no innings pitched limit (which Yahoo keeps track of automatically) or games started limit (which Plaw kept track of manually), we are opening the door to manipulation (i.e. somebody can be on the waiver wires everyday to make sure they maximize their innings pitched, which gives them the most opportunity to gain (or lose) points).

Placing a limit closes the door for this type of manipulation. Admittedly, a 162 games started limit is preferable (which is why Plaw did what he did), but since Yahoo doesn't allow for it, the max innings pitched limit is the only remaining option.

Just curious - how would putting a reasonable max limit on innings pitched lessen your enjoyment? If the limit is ridiculous, I can see what you're saying but what if the limit was reasonable (i.e. MLB average)?

I understand your reasoning now. It makes total sense. I have no objection as long as there is a "reasonable" number put on max innings pitched based on some kind of average.

No explain to me Games Started? What is the reasoning behind that category? Does that apply to ALL players or just starting pitchers? As far as it applying to starting pitchers, what purpose does it serve? If Oswalt starts 35 games throughout the season in real MLB, how does that pertain to GS in the fantasy league for him?

And as far as blown saves, if you and Geoff feel strongly about keeping that stat, then perhaps we should consider cutting it down from -6 pts. to maybe a -4, losing half the pts. of what the pitcher would get (+8) had he saved the game.


Don Cardi

Guess you're gonna tell me that "Professional 'Wrestling'" is a sport, too, huh?

Actually "Professional Wrestling IS a sport. And I'm not talking about the WWF or ECW and all those hollywood organizations.


Don Cardi

Trish is all the sport I need.........

Trish?? Who is that?? I thought Mrs. R. was all the woman you needed.

If you are not a member of the league, then you are not allowed to post in this topic. You want to chime in here, then join up and play, Mrs. Jeter!


Don Cardi

Trish, as is in one name? No no no, You read it wrong what you should have read it as was:

That
Robinson
Is
Such a
Hottie

Nice recovery there, DMC. No wonder you are the best BoyToy EVER!!!

Jeter?? Who is that?? Does he play baseball??

DMC says he's not playing, and he's posting here. Why are you picking on little ol me? Little meek innocent me. Big bully, pushing the weak woman around!!!