Originally posted by Turnbull:
Originally posted by Jimmy Buffer:
[b] No one ever said that Tom ordered a "hit" on Khartoum, but he more than likely was the one who came up with the idea of using the horse to get to Woltz since he is the only one present. I only brought that up because that is the only time we see a ruthless side to Tom in either of the movies.
I'm not saying you're wrong, Jimmy, but I always inferred that it was the Don's idea to kill the horse. In a deleted scene, Tom meets with the Don, who says, "Tell Luca Brasi to see me, I think we're gonna find a way to reason with this Mr. Jack Woltz." I believe that Luca reported to the Don directly, not through Hagen, so I infer that the Don told Luca to kill Khartoum. Of course, the Don could only have learned about Woltz's affection for the horse after hearing Tom's account of his meeting with Woltz, but it may not have been Tom's suggestion to do the deed.
The novel more than implies that it was Vito's idea. Vito questions Tom minutely on the meeting, then gives him detailed instructions that leave Tom "dazed with admiration" for Vito's cunning. "There was no doubt that Johnny would get the part," in Tom's mind, after getting his instructions from Vito. [/b]Don't worry. I took your post the way you intended it, TB. My post was more directed towards whomever it was that posted no one ordered a hit against a horse.