Apple,

If I don't get an "Oh boy we may have finally figured out exactly how the horse's head got chopped off, now I can die in peace" reply, I'm going to be more than a little disappointed.

Not so much that, but as others have stated in past threads on various topics...what happens in the movie and what happens in the novel do not necessarily always match up.

Apple

Yes. And another possibility: Vito was influential enough in the Hollywood unions for Tom to guarantee that Woltz would have no labor problems if he gave Johnny the part. Presumably he could have used his influence with the unions for them to apply some muscle to the horse.
But in the deleted scene, Vito says to Tom, "Tell Luca Brasi to come in. I think we're gonna find a way to reason with this Mr. Jack Woltz." That line tells me it was Luca who did it--after a decent interval. (The novel notes that Luca was quite a man with the axe.)

This is just an incidental observation that doesn't further the topic at hand , but since we've temporarily sidetracked onto the subject of Khartoum and the circumstances of his death, I thought I would post it.

While I was watching the Saga on TV, the scene of Tom meeting with Vito and Sonny is inserted after Tom returns from Hollywood. After Vito hears what Tom has to say about Woltz, he says, "Call Luca Brasi. We're going to find a way to reason with this Woltz." Then the scene cuts to Woltz's mansion and shows his "rude awakening."

Immediately after that, the movie cuts back to Vito, still in his living room, his head tilted contemplatively, as he resumes his conversation with Tom and Sonny. I thought that was a very odd point at which to insert the Woltz scene because it almost appears as though Vito took a moment to "day dream" his ideal Woltz intimidation scenario, instead of actually carrrying it out in concrete reality. It's as if Vito momentarily lapsed into a fugue state until Tom and Sonny's words brought him back into the present. (I know "fugue" isn't quite the right word, but it's the closest psychological approximation I can think of.)

It would have made more sense to have Vito, Tom, and Sonny finish their discussion (even though it focused on Sollozzo in its later stages), THEN break to a new scene (which would indicate a new point in time) showing Woltz discovering Khartoum, and THEN break again to a slightly later point in time by showing the Sollozzo meeting. All this made me ponder about whether FFC employed a different editor to put together The Saga. The Godfather is generally not an "interiorized" film; i.e., it doesn't visualize for us the interior thoughts of its protagonists. The only exceptions are Michael's reminiscences at the end of GF2 & GF3 (and saving the technique til the end like that was masterful, as it heightened the impact of the tragedy). Maybe this editor wanted to show us "what Vito was thinking," but cutting the scene that way was kind of out of step with the overall tone of the film.

A tiny flaw, anyway... but I digress. All in all, the scene does show us, as Turnbull noted, that killing Khartoum was Vito's idea .

Ya think ???

What's your address?


Don Cardi

I thought we're all living in the 21st century .

Ah, I think I see what Don Cardi means. Reading The Godfather (along with watching the films, of course) means you have completed your requirements to be culturally literate in the 20th century. To move to the next step of becoming a citizen of the 21st century, one must experience The Sopranos.

I guess I'm really antediluvian: not only don't I have HBO to see The Sopranos, I also do not own a DVD player. I have to view The Godfather films on VHS tapes ! PLUS I've forgotten almost all of The Godfather novel since I last read it 17 odd years ago. Is there hope for me?

Well, at least I have a computer . I think I'll check out the library's online catalogue to see if The Godfather is available to sign out. This might get me to the 18th century yet .

Thanks for the gesture, but don't bother...from what I've been hearing, this is supposed to be the last season anyway.

Once it's finally finished, they'll probably start rerunning on Lifetime or the WB11...just like with 'Sex And The City'.

Send the cable guy to Christina's Way...she seems to need something to write about.

Apple

No dvd player. Ok.

No HBO. Ok.

Not owning the Godfather Novel and being a member of these boards? UNEXCUSABLE! AN INFAMIA! (please talk to her Apple)

You have until the end of the month to aquire a copy of the novel. After that, then you'll have to appear before the gangsterbb commission and show cause.







Don Cardi

Save it for da lieberry.

Which I was planning to do until one fateful evening in September, 2005

Apple

At first, I had a blithe Fredo-like attitude after reading that. "Meh, what can they do, bring in my long lost brother from Sicily?" Then I saw your photo of the commission members:



Those three in the front look like they mean business, especially the one in the middle with his arms crossed. I can expect no mercy. I better get that book pronto .

BTW, from my browsing the boards (but mostly from following the link to the photos ), I've come to recognize that the three men in the front row are Don Cardi, Geoff Malta (the big boss), and SC. I'm curious to know if the other people in the photos have user names on this BB (just so I can attach a face to the name). In the first photo, I think one of the women is The Italian Stallionette (I'm guessing from viewing another photo on that site where T.I.S. was identified). Do the others have BB user names?

Of course, if they are "civilians" (non-gangsterBB members), I don't want you to post their real names. But it does raise this question: What are civilians doing on the commission?

2005 BB Get-Together

CW - If you check out this thread from General Discussion, you'll find out who all of those in the photo are. Pages 10 and 11 have the most photos.

Who is that DOG with the dark brown hair ???



Man, I hope she doesn't show up for dinner in August...talk about losing your appetite.

Apple

Thank you for the link, SB . As I perused it, I had a sense of déja vu; and then I realized its source: Don Cardi provided that link in one of his posts about 5 or 6 months ago, shortly after I joined this BB. There was so much material there (it's a 19-page thread, remember ), that I think I became overwhelmed; and as a result, I didn't at first recognize some of the people in the above 2 photos. But it's all coming back to me now ...

From reading your link 6 months ago, I of course remember what you (and Mr. Babe) look like. Don Geoff is also very recognizable. I used to get Don Cardi and SC mixed up; but now that I've seen their pictures a few times, I'm finally getting it straight that SC is the one with the mustache (and Don Cardi is the one with the temper -- especially toward waiters; I hope at this year's GanagsterBB, the restaurant remembers to thaw the desserts ).

Although I think I can now accurately identify who is in the photos, still need some help. SB, tell me if my guesses are right:



l to r: Right off the bat, I'm stumped; I don't know who that distinguished looking fellow with the beard is. Does he have a BB user name? Next, is Don Cardi, followed by... I'm not sure, but SB, is that you? If I look closely, I see a pair of glasses. Next is the partial head of someone who I believe is Lori (I've seen her often in photos with Don Geoff; does she have a user name on this BB? Maybe I've debated with her and not even realized it). I believe that the next person is TIS, then Geoff, SC, and someone named Don Sicilia, whom I don't recall encountering on these boards (so I don't know if I've had the pleasure of arguing with him!)

Next picture:



l to r, back row: OMG, is that Apple? She looks so Italian. Because of the Kay avatar, I had a totally different picture in my mind. I was expecting her to look like... well, Kay. Next is Lori; then Mignon's daugher, Becky (who turned quite a few heads, so I've read ), and Mignon. The people in the front row, of course, need no introduction.

How did I do?

BTW, I must comment on this photo from the link you provided:



As soon as I first saw that photo 6 months ago, I noted that Mr. Babe looks just like a man who used to work at the same place of employment I did. All the gals working there had a crush on him . I wonder if Mr. Babe has the same problem where he works.

If we all looked like our Avatars then I'd like to set up my niece with Sicilian Babe!!

Christina's Way...good thing you weren't around yet when I was using Brando for a while!

Apple

Ah, that brings back memories. When I first joined these boards 6 months ago, I kept referring to Sicilian Babe as "he" (until she corrected me).

... and she also graciously set me straight about MaryCas before I could further embarrass myself .

To Don Cardi:

I was nervous about the prospect of appearing before the commission.

But then I realized that since the commission members are so benevolent in nature toward each other ...



... then surely they will be compassionate with me.

And if the head of the commission conducts proceedings in this relaxed attitude ...



... then I have nothing to worry about.

By the way...how does Lori always manage to get behind somebody and end up with half her face cut out of the photo???

We shall have to get her front & center at the Philly session.

Apple

Not always.

With Mikey Montana (courtesy of Sr. Vitelli)


One of my favorites.... with JG and DC


And with Vito - before he "turned"

From the left: Thats Mikey Montana, who has yet to post although he's been a member for two years.... Don Cardi, LDV (LaDolceVita), Lori who is registered here as Consigliere's Lady, TIS, Geoff, me and Don Sicilia (who is known as Douche in the sports threads).

Thank you, SC...for sharing those MUCH NICER photos of 'Consigliere's Lady'!!

Apple

Uh, I think Vito's a goner after last night...

Apple - If anyone is getting their hands on my avatar, it's going to be me, me, me!!!

CW - Yes (sigh), I have to hear from my husband's female coworkers about how terrific he is, how lucky I am, how they all think he would make just the "best" husband...

TB - Well, they sort of left it up in the air, didn't they? I must agree with your estimation, though.

CW-

I really hope you can come to a commission meeting. You will have a great time. August 18-20 2006

Where is the commision meeting?

Philly

Thats not too far for me... hmm.. will have to think about this some more...

A big thank you to SC for posting the identities of the people in the photo, along with user names and a bit of posting history . Now when I read about the 2006 Gangster BB meeting and see all the digital photos, I'll be even more clued in .

(I also see that I mistook someone else for Sicilian Babe; oops. It was the hair colour and the glasses that threw me... plus, the photo was taken at night and from a distance. I'll just have to flip through more photos from this site if I want to hone my I.D. skills .)

Christina, I don't agree. I think the scene you describe was in perfect sync. It was a way to illustrate Vito's reach even into that faraway world. It was also a way to illustrate Vito's concept of reason which you might remember from the novel was described in some detail.

So, that's what Apple looks like. "Angelo, you got her mugged and numbered up there? Good. Go!"