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Re: 2007 Fantasy Baseball (Yahoo Draft)
[Re: Just Lou]
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03/07/07 06:03 PM
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Most leagues also give points for sacrifice flies. I think that could be worth a point. I'd also prefer stolen bases be worth 2 points. Ahh, I've always thought that sac flies were more of an unintentional (yet possibly still productive) out. I don't think advancing a runner necessarily merits points; if the runner scores, the batter still gets the RBI. I don't think any batter goes up wanting to create an out -- he wants a hit -- so failing that I don't think sac flies should be rewarded any more than the possible RBI from it. Shouldn't any out created by a batter be a deduction? In the case of a sac fly, I think the positive of advancing a runner (+1) cancels out the out created (-1). Stealing bases is basically the same idea in that it advances the runner (if successful), but that advance may not have any positive outcome in the score of the game. There are batters who rely almost solely on stolen bases for their value, which is fine, but I don't think that it necessarily merits more than 1 point. Stolen bases already increase your change to score a run in a subsequent play - so the value of that is already inherent, IMHO. And sure, in a real game, combinations of stolen bases and sac flies can create runs on the scoreboard - and since our rosters are filled with players from multiple teams, we may not always get the full benefit from such set-up plays, but I don't think we can just build in such potential points into the initial set-up acts themselves. (If that makes any sense  ) PS - In the same vain, we're currently giving a point to batters Hit By Pitch -- this is not something that a batter (typically) produces for the team, but an (intentional or unintentional) negative for the pitcher who hit him. Shall we continue to reward batters for actions they don't have control over (sac flies, HBP)? Drawing a BB can be skillful, but being hit by a pitch isn't. Pitchers should be penalized for hitting a batters - I don't think batters should necessarily be rewarded at the same time.... YET (for my 3rd edit of this post lol), batters who are hit by a pitch in effect are losing an at-bat and potential points for hits (or minus points for outs). How far can we predict what coulda happened?
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Re: 2007 Fantasy Baseball (Yahoo Draft)
[Re: DonMichaelCorleone]
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03/07/07 06:33 PM
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Almost every player goes up to bat trying to hit a fly ball when there is a man on 3rd and less than 2 outs. That's true, but wouldn't he rather get a hit?  I hear ya, tho... With SB's worth 2 points, you might consider a speedster over a slugger. With SB's worth only ONE point I still always wanted at least 1 good runner on my team -- how many super-sluggers do you expect to draft?  A CS (caught-stealing, not chick-sandwich) should definitely be -1 because it's an OUT. All outs should -1 in effect (that's why I thought a sac fly canceled itself out  ) I have always been annoyed when HBP do not get you points, they SHOULD count for something. And I agree with DB HBP equals a walk. I'm not entirely disagreeing - I was using it as an example for the previous points, and a point of discussion... 
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I studied Italian for 2 semesters. Not once was a "C" pronounced as a "G", and never was a trailing "I" ignored! And I'm from Jersey!  lol Whaddaya want me to do? Whack a guy? Off a guy? Whack off a guy? --Peter Griffin My DVDs | Facebook | Godfather Filming Locations
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Re: 2007 Fantasy Baseball (Yahoo Draft)
[Re: Don Alessandrio]
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03/08/07 02:52 AM
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I signed on tonight with the intention of discussing stolen bases, but Just Lou has already said exactly what I was thinking, and much better than I could have said at that. I think the CS is an interesting part of Fantasy Baseball, but who is going to draft someone like Juan Pierre, who is high average and high stolen bases but no home runs, when you could draft most other outfielders who are power hitters. The home run seems to be the focus of this fantasy league. I may be wrong though as I'm still trying to put all the stats in perspective.
My point though is that I have always loved watching a guy, power or not, stand there on first base and completely disrupt a pitchers performance because the pitcher knows he is going to attempt a steal.
Stealing bases is rare among players, HR's are not. Making SB's worth two points makes sense to me, especially if we are going to subrtact points for CS. I mean, we're not subrtacting points for fly-outs are we? I would just like to see speedy guys drafted as well as power guys.
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Re: 2007 Fantasy Baseball (Yahoo Draft)
[Re: DonMichaelCorleone]
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03/08/07 08:20 AM
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Now remember Cardi, since you signed up for Fantasy Sports you have to cancel all vacations..... All joking aside, you just made me realize that I will be gone for two weeks in July and at least another one in August. Perhaps I should reconsider playing in the league. Shit. I totally forgot that I will be gone for at least three weeks out of the season. I'm already in another fantasy league and perhaps with my being gone for several weeks in the summer, a second league is a bit too much. Besides it wouldn't be fair to the rest of you if I cannot stay on top of my teams throughout the whole summer. EDIT : I forgot that I can set my line-ups in advance for the time that I will be away. So I'll stay in. Don Cardi 
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Re: 2007 Fantasy Baseball (Yahoo Draft)
[Re: Just Lou]
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03/08/07 02:40 PM
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*cough*laptops*cough* 
I studied Italian for 2 semesters. Not once was a "C" pronounced as a "G", and never was a trailing "I" ignored! And I'm from Jersey!  lol Whaddaya want me to do? Whack a guy? Off a guy? Whack off a guy? --Peter Griffin My DVDs | Facebook | Godfather Filming Locations
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Re: 2007 Fantasy Baseball (Yahoo Draft)
[Re: J Geoff]
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03/08/07 03:00 PM
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Don Cardi Five - ten years from now, they're gonna wish there was American Cosa Nostra. Five - ten years from now, they're gonna miss John Gotti.
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Re: 2007 Fantasy Baseball (Yahoo Draft)
[Re: Don Cardi]
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03/08/07 03:28 PM
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Your dedication is overwhelming! "Honey give me a few minutes. I have to set my fantasy baseball team roster." Already whipped??  Bring the laptop into the john - she can't bother you (much) in there  fantasy sports are the last thing I'll be thinking about when I'm in Italy *cough* ahem* clears throat  Italy... what's to do there?? pfft! No excuse! 
I studied Italian for 2 semesters. Not once was a "C" pronounced as a "G", and never was a trailing "I" ignored! And I'm from Jersey!  lol Whaddaya want me to do? Whack a guy? Off a guy? Whack off a guy? --Peter Griffin My DVDs | Facebook | Godfather Filming Locations
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Re: 2007 Fantasy Baseball (Yahoo Draft)
[Re: DonMichaelCorleone]
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03/08/07 09:39 PM
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*cough*laptops*cough* Last time you went away on vacation I'm pretty sure it was MY LAPTOP that was used  It was still a laptop. Hopefully by this Summer I'll have my own. Otherwise, I'll pay you more cranberry smirnoff to use it again! 
I studied Italian for 2 semesters. Not once was a "C" pronounced as a "G", and never was a trailing "I" ignored! And I'm from Jersey!  lol Whaddaya want me to do? Whack a guy? Off a guy? Whack off a guy? --Peter Griffin My DVDs | Facebook | Godfather Filming Locations
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Re: 2007 Fantasy Baseball (Yahoo Draft)
[Re: Sicilian Babe]
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03/09/07 03:02 AM
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Did I say "laptop" or "lap dance"? I don't recall which I asked from whom now....  lol
I studied Italian for 2 semesters. Not once was a "C" pronounced as a "G", and never was a trailing "I" ignored! And I'm from Jersey!  lol Whaddaya want me to do? Whack a guy? Off a guy? Whack off a guy? --Peter Griffin My DVDs | Facebook | Godfather Filming Locations
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Re: 2007 Fantasy Baseball (Yahoo Draft)
[Re: Blibbleblabble]
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03/09/07 09:55 PM
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If I told ya, I'd have to kill ya... There are at least 12 web pages I use daily throughout the season for research. (Not that they do me much good, apparently.  ) Good ol' Yahoo has pretty much all you need to get started, though, at: http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb
I studied Italian for 2 semesters. Not once was a "C" pronounced as a "G", and never was a trailing "I" ignored! And I'm from Jersey!  lol Whaddaya want me to do? Whack a guy? Off a guy? Whack off a guy? --Peter Griffin My DVDs | Facebook | Godfather Filming Locations
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Re: 2007 Fantasy Baseball (Yahoo Draft)
[Re: J Geoff]
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03/11/07 12:26 PM
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I didn't expect you to tell me the information to win  , but I was more concerned about injuries to players during spring training. I don't want anyone else in the league to draft injured players either because then the season would be off to a lopsided start. Then again, I guess being smart enough to find out that information before the draft is a part of the game as well.
"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want." -Calvin and Hobbes
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Re: 2007 Fantasy Baseball (Yahoo Draft)
[Re: DonMichaelCorleone]
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03/11/07 02:09 PM
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well I did read almost 4 pages but now I'm done. I don't know how the RP-maxIP-debate ended (or if it's still going on) but here's my opinion:
I'm absolutely fine with the number of relief pitchers in our rosters. limiting to just 2 would make most middle relievers and a lot of closers absolutely useless. I don't mind about 'RP manipulation'. y'all already stated why it just don't work. believe me, anyone who tries some magic move looking for an extra few points will end up losing players and points. the most you can do is give away a top 5 2B just to use Jhonny Peralta at SS in one game and he gets a day off for no reason. (yes, I did that last season). I'm okay with Plaw's complex system for SV. he always said that his system made sense because it ranked all pitchers accordingly (top closers 1st, top middle relievers 2nd, 2nd tier closers 3rd and on and on...) and I believe it did work very well in the end. the relievers with most fan pts are the greast closers. it just adds to the difficult of this game. now, the BS + L is an issue. if L's weren't so hurtful, it'd be fixed. a pitcher is greatly penalized with H and ER when he goes bad, and the L many times is charged for a guy who didn't do that bad. so maybe a L shouldn't cost anything. it'd make sense for both startes and relievers, IMO.
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Re: 2007 Fantasy Baseball (Yahoo Draft)
[Re: Tony Mosrite]
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03/14/07 06:39 PM
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I (Rated R Superstar) wish everyone luck.
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