ok. Now if someone defines a song that has depth as something that engages him/her emotionally, aesthetically, spiritually, intellectually and a shallow song as something that does not do any of the above, are you comfortable with their basis for branding some songs/singers as deep and others as shallow?

Sure, if they were fully aware of the fragility of the two terms.

I can't remember when I personally used the term "deep" or "shallow" to describe a work of art.

Ha. Yeah, actually, I did. But not really because of the swearing. More so the reasoning behind his comments.

BOO!

I worked for years LLC...and I don't cut the mustard for you?

*cries*

I saw Citizen Fuckface to be an insulting character more focused on his ease to throw around words like "pretentious" and being consistently unstable, changing views at a wisk and being overly apprehensive of art, IE denying the subjectability of a crafted statement. Not so much excessive swearing and fowl personality traits. I don't really think it was a compliment. But I think it was also a well crafted combination of a few of us.

However, I am, of course, reading too far into Mick's post.

I never call anything pretentious. Stupidest criticism of art ever.

He didn't call Art pretentious. He called its fans.

I'm not trying to piss you off, but I'm sure I could find a nice number of proviews including the word "pretentious" if I had proper motivation.

No you couldn't. I never use that word to criticize something. I don't even know what it really means.

I'm not going to dwell on it, I just remember it coming up in a debate that I didn't actively participate in on FCM.

Anywho, let's not sit on this topic longer than we have to. I'm not in the mood for argument. Especially one between you and I, two of the most hard-headed members here.