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Re: Chocolate Jesus Angers Catholics
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03/30/07 03:16 PM
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Few more questions.
If we are so quick to interpret (or simply presume) the artist's intentions were to cause a stir, cause controversy or offend people by challenging their beliefs, would we still have doubts when he told us otherwise?
Imagine he says in an interview ten years from now, for instance, "My sculpture of Jesus was never meant to cause offence to anyone". I doubt the sceptics here would change their mind all that much. They'd still have doubts.
But why are people so quick to believe him when he says it's even Jesus? Just because it bears some kind of physical resemblance to the other images you've been brought up to believe looked like Jesus, as a representation of a man none of us have seen?
If somebody offends you, does that mean they meant to?
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Re: Chocolate Jesus Angers Catholics
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03/30/07 03:27 PM
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All good questions, Mick, but I can already predict how this will go; particular participants in this thread will disregard the logistics behind the questions, and accuse you of belittling their beliefs...
All I want to know is, why is Jesus's physical anatomy a surprise? I mean, we knew he was a man, no? How do we even know he wasn't stark naked at the time he was crucified? Someone else said that most people who were considered criminals were crucified in the nude. I'm not interpretting Christ as a criminal, but his executors did. So, what's to stop them from executing him nude? So, we've been told differently? Sure the story is bound to be "edited" to include a few twists. This was over 2,000 years ago. I told a story about my weekend last monday, and already, people are under the belief that I took ecstacy, got naked, and established a nudist colony in the public library. Now, as I remember, first-handedly, I just went to the library to check out a copy of the Great Gatsby. But you know how it works; you tell two friends, and they tell two friends, and their friends tell two friends, and their friends' friends tell two friends, and their friends' friends' friends' tell two friends...
"Somebody told me when the bomb hits, everybody in a two mile radius will be instantly sublimated, but if you lay face down on the ground for some time, avoiding the residual ripples of heat, you might survive, permanently fucked up and twisted like you're always underwater refracted. But if you do go gas, there's nothing you can do if the air that was once you is mingled and mashed with the kicked up molecules of the enemy's former body. Big-kid-tested, motherf--ker approved."
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Re: Chocolate Jesus Angers Catholics
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03/30/07 03:47 PM
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And how come when someone says "Jesus Christ", everyone jumps all over their back. But when someone says "fa***t" its okay? Its okay because you meant it to mean cowardice? How? I certainly don't need to speak for PB but I can tell you this ... on the streets of NYC (ESPECIALLY from my generation) the term "fa***t" was also used as a general deragatory term without regard to its sexual connotations. "fa***t" could've been used to describe anyone you thought as a jerk or idiot, etc.
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Re: Chocolate Jesus Angers Catholics
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03/30/07 03:58 PM
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With the stars, I don't even know what the fuck you're saying. Maybe I'm on the slow side today; Care to spell it out? EDIT: Nevermind, I figured it out just as I posted. Damn, I AM slow today. That is totally unneeded, actually. Just because this guy decides to sculpt a confectionary Jesus, doesn't mean we should insult his sexual orientation. That's much more offensive than a male phallus.  Perhaps your need to use the word as an insult pinpoints why you're so offended by the display of a penis. Feeling uncomfortable?
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"Somebody told me when the bomb hits, everybody in a two mile radius will be instantly sublimated, but if you lay face down on the ground for some time, avoiding the residual ripples of heat, you might survive, permanently fucked up and twisted like you're always underwater refracted. But if you do go gas, there's nothing you can do if the air that was once you is mingled and mashed with the kicked up molecules of the enemy's former body. Big-kid-tested, motherf--ker approved."
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Re: Chocolate Jesus Angers Catholics
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03/30/07 03:59 PM
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[This was originally in response to a post which has been deleted.]
The reason that I deleted my post was because I mis-interpreted JG's post about challenging beliefs. When I went back and re-read JG's post ( I was on the phone the first time I read it) I realized that I did NOT disagree with what he said about challenging. So I obviously deleted it. But the basic idea of that post was to say that usually when people challenge anothers beliefs, most of the time it is done so out fo trying to aquire and understanding of what the person they are challengings belief's are and why the believe the way that they do. When I really thinking about it now, maybe it's not a question of my being offended by the actual sculpture itself, but more of being sick and tired of having to honor and respect the beliefs and interpretations of others and not getting the same respect shown in return.
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Re: Chocolate Jesus Angers Catholics
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03/30/07 04:02 PM
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With the stars, I don't even know what the fuck you're saying. Maybe I'm on the slow side today; Care to spell it out? Its a censored word (the board is set with certain terms censored). Spelling it out this way will help: F*A*G*G*O*T
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Re: Chocolate Jesus Angers Catholics
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03/30/07 04:04 PM
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But Cardi, what's to say that he is trying to disrespect your beliefs? As far as I know, the artist did not provide an explanation behind his inspiration, and so hindering suspicion of an offensive agenda is just suspicion at this point. Did it occur to you that maybe that's just how he's always pictured the crucifiction? Perhaps he's just always seen a nude Jesus with his minds eye?
"Somebody told me when the bomb hits, everybody in a two mile radius will be instantly sublimated, but if you lay face down on the ground for some time, avoiding the residual ripples of heat, you might survive, permanently fucked up and twisted like you're always underwater refracted. But if you do go gas, there's nothing you can do if the air that was once you is mingled and mashed with the kicked up molecules of the enemy's former body. Big-kid-tested, motherf--ker approved."
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Re: Chocolate Jesus Angers Catholics
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03/30/07 04:05 PM
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With the stars, I don't even know what the fuck you're saying. Maybe I'm on the slow side today; Care to spell it out? Its a censored word (the board is set with certain terms censored). Spelling it out this way will help: F*A*G*G*O*T Thank you, SC. I actually caught the meaning moments after posting. I don't know what's wrong with me today, I'm usually a bit more keen on picking these sorts of things up.
"Somebody told me when the bomb hits, everybody in a two mile radius will be instantly sublimated, but if you lay face down on the ground for some time, avoiding the residual ripples of heat, you might survive, permanently fucked up and twisted like you're always underwater refracted. But if you do go gas, there's nothing you can do if the air that was once you is mingled and mashed with the kicked up molecules of the enemy's former body. Big-kid-tested, motherf--ker approved."
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Re: Chocolate Jesus Angers Catholics
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03/30/07 04:06 PM
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Maybe I'm on the slow side today; Just today? And YOU are the perfect example of not showing any respect for those who belive in the holiness of Jesus Christ. Your disgusting post above making reference to what body part should have been put on Jesus Christ is absurd and doesn't even warrant a quote. You have absolutely no respect for people if you say something disgusting like that. That's not an opinion on your part, it's just downright full of ignorance and disregard. Now go and report my post. EDIT : The Moral Majority WINS !!!!  EXHIBITED PULLED!!!!!!
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Re: Chocolate Jesus Angers Catholics
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03/30/07 04:15 PM
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In England a fa***t is a cigarette.  Seriously, I recall a few months ago all the muslims being in a snit over those cartoons depicting Mohammed as a pervert and a pedophile, and I also recall some people here finding it amusing. Now I see this chocolate Jesus stirring up many christians on the boards, and I supppose we could do some kind of Moses joke to piss off the jews. Personally I think everyone has the right to their own beliefs, and they have the right to practice their beliefs without interference by governments or other authorities. I guess I do not get too upset about this sort of thing although I wouldnt walk across the street too see a crucifix in a jar of piss as some "artist" did a few years ago, if someone paid me. IMHO someone who wants to make a chocolate Jesus with a penis, or say Mohamed is a pervert, or anything derrogatory of something others hold sacred is an asshole seeking attention he or she does not deserve.
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Re: Chocolate Jesus Angers Catholics
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03/30/07 04:18 PM
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Easy, DC. I think LLC was trying to show how tame a penis actually is compared to how controversial this really could have been. But I'm tired of defending people I like to people I also like, so I'll stop there. I see the exhibition has been pulled, though. Such a shame. I love how the guy was receiving death threats, though. So much for Pizzaboy's notion of a "peaceful group". "Christianity is the sacrifice of self-knowledge." - The Magus. "Censorship points to the absolute by hiding it; religion has always worked this way." - Sans soleil.
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Re: Chocolate Jesus Angers Catholics
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03/30/07 04:21 PM
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Maybe I'm on the slow side today; Just today? Totally not necessary. LLC is actually one of the more intelligent members on the boards. If some people would get some other people a chance, they'd know that. He simply meant that if they'd have put a FEMALE sex organ on a MALE, then THAT is worth getting your panties in a twist. And, so now I understand why Pizzaboy felt the need to call the artist a fa***t. But now maybe someone else can explain WHY that makes it okay. fa***t is a deroggatory term, just the same as ni**er, dago, ch*nk, and sp*c. I don't care where you came from, or who you think you are.
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Re: Chocolate Jesus Angers Catholics
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03/30/07 04:25 PM
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Points taken on both sides. Guys/gals, please lets keep to the topic without making references to our members (excuse the pun). Another religious discussion going down the crapper.
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Re: Chocolate Jesus Angers Catholics
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03/30/07 04:32 PM
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Maybe I'm on the slow side today; Just today? Cute. Very cute. Apparently moral fiber is equal to the square root of the maturity of a six year old. And YOU are the perfect example of not showing any respect for those who belive in the holiness of Jesus Christ. Your disgusting post above making reference to what body part should have been put on Jesus Christ is absurd and doesn't even warrant a quote. I have plenty of respect for those who choose to follow the teachings of Christianity. I have little to no respect at all, however, for people who are as illogical as to take offense to the thought of Jesus Christ having a penis. To me, the most appealing thing about the Christian religion is the fact that their savior was human. He didn't have twenty limbs, and he doesn't have x-ray vision. He's just a normal guy who has been gifted with a very special responsibility. That's much more relatable to me then say, I don't know, a bunch of Aliens who unleash a world of bad alien ju-ju among Hawaii. So, to that extent, the fact that Jesus has a penis is a relief to me. If I walked into a church, and saw a nude Jesus up on the cross, hanging above the alter, my first thought would most likely be, "Well, that's good to know." Not, "God damn it, there's another fault in this country's societ to add to my creepy right-winged evangelical agenda!" But I also have to divert back to my statements on your immature attitude towards this debate. Not only is your maturity at the strength of a child, as is your reading comprehension. My point was not to say what should have been, but what could have been. What is worse? Jesus with a penis, or Jesus as a hamaphordite? Jesus is a man. He has a penis. Hear him roar. He also has testicles. These testicles produce sperm cells and testostorone. The testostorone is released into his body. The sperm cells travel up the vas deferen, and through the urethra. Add a vaginal canal and an egg cell, and you have a second generation messiah. You have absolutely no respect for people if you say something disgusting like that. Yes, you could say I have about as much respect as calling someone a "disrespectful bastard" before attempting to analyze or hear--first-hand, of course--their intentions. Now go and report my post. Good idea. I'll just report you to my good moderator buddy Don Car--WAIT A MINUTE! You pulled a fast one over my head there, didn't you! Oh, just wait. I'm totally going to draw silly facial hair on you with my sharpie once you fall asleep. EDIT : The Moral Majority WINS !!!! Oh, right, I forgot, penises are immoral. Sex is evil! My mom says that if I kiss a girl, she might get pregnant! Heavens no! That's a shame. We can show Jesus's infantile penis in an oil painting, but apparently his grown counterpart isn't allowed the right to a homosapien anatomy.
"Somebody told me when the bomb hits, everybody in a two mile radius will be instantly sublimated, but if you lay face down on the ground for some time, avoiding the residual ripples of heat, you might survive, permanently fucked up and twisted like you're always underwater refracted. But if you do go gas, there's nothing you can do if the air that was once you is mingled and mashed with the kicked up molecules of the enemy's former body. Big-kid-tested, motherf--ker approved."
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Re: Chocolate Jesus Angers Catholics
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03/30/07 04:34 PM
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I love how the guy was receiving death threats, though. So much for Pizzaboy's notion of a "peaceful group". Speaking of which, didn't he wish an over-the-top evangelical Christian would shoot the artist between the eyes in the same post? 
"Somebody told me when the bomb hits, everybody in a two mile radius will be instantly sublimated, but if you lay face down on the ground for some time, avoiding the residual ripples of heat, you might survive, permanently fucked up and twisted like you're always underwater refracted. But if you do go gas, there's nothing you can do if the air that was once you is mingled and mashed with the kicked up molecules of the enemy's former body. Big-kid-tested, motherf--ker approved."
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Re: Chocolate Jesus Angers Catholics
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03/30/07 04:35 PM
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We can show Jesus's infantile penis in an oil painting.. I myself thought it was rather big. Bigger than mine, anyway. Oh, you meant the paintings of him when he was an infant. Silly me.
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Re: Chocolate Jesus Angers Catholics
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03/30/07 04:37 PM
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if they'd have put a FEMALE sex organ on a MALE, then THAT is worth getting your panties in a twist.
C'mon Bogey, you and I BOTH know that they would find a way to defend that artist and advocate justification in that too, and we'd still be having a debate about this. Maybe so, but at least then, controversy is credible. It's just ridiculous to think that we're offended by the very thing that brought us into this word--especially when it is displayed in its proper place and position. I don't see what's distasteful about it either. Perhaps if it were errect or bleeding, I could understand the fuss. But seeing as it was in a flacid and natural state, I don't see why it should be an issue or surprise that Jesus, a MAN, had a penis, a MAN's sex organ. Edit: I'm on my merry way to get the hair trimmed, about now. To be continued... Assuming someone doesn't get this thread locked during the hour or less that I am absent...
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"Somebody told me when the bomb hits, everybody in a two mile radius will be instantly sublimated, but if you lay face down on the ground for some time, avoiding the residual ripples of heat, you might survive, permanently fucked up and twisted like you're always underwater refracted. But if you do go gas, there's nothing you can do if the air that was once you is mingled and mashed with the kicked up molecules of the enemy's former body. Big-kid-tested, motherf--ker approved."
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Re: Chocolate Jesus Angers Catholics
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Maybe I'm on the slow side today; Just today? Cute. Very cute. Apparently moral fiber is equal to the square root of the maturity of a six year old. And YOU are the perfect example of not showing any respect for those who belive in the holiness of Jesus Christ. Your disgusting post above making reference to what body part should have been put on Jesus Christ is absurd and doesn't even warrant a quote. I have plenty of respect for those who choose to follow the teachings of Christianity. I have little to no respect at all, however, for people who are as illogical as to take offense to the thought of Jesus Christ having a penis. To me, the most appealing thing about the Christian religion is the fact that their savior was human. He didn't have twenty limbs, and he doesn't have x-ray vision. He's just a normal guy who has been gifted with a very special responsibility. That's much more relatable to me then say, I don't know, a bunch of Aliens who unleash a world of bad alien ju-ju among Hawaii. So, to that extent, the fact that Jesus has a penis is a relief to me. If I walked into a church, and saw a nude Jesus up on the cross, hanging above the alter, my first thought would most likely be, "Well, that's good to know." Not, "God damn it, there's another fault in this country's societ to add to my creepy right-winged evangelical agenda!" But I also have to divert back to my statements on your immature attitude towards this debate. Not only is your maturity at the strength of a child, as is your reading comprehension. My point was not to say what should have been, but what could have been. What is worse? Jesus with a penis, or Jesus as a hamaphordite? Jesus is a man. He has a penis. Hear him roar. He also has testicles. These testicles produce sperm cells and testostorone. The testostorone is released into his body. The sperm cells travel up the vas deferen, and through the urethra. Add a vaginal canal and an egg cell, and you have a second generation messiah. You have absolutely no respect for people if you say something disgusting like that. Yes, you could say I have about as much respect as calling someone a "disrespectful bastard" before attempting to analyze or hear--first-hand, of course--their intentions. Now go and report my post. Good idea. I'll just report you to my good moderator buddy Don Car--WAIT A MINUTE! You pulled a fast one over my head there, didn't you! Oh, just wait. I'm totally going to draw silly facial hair on you with my sharpie once you fall asleep. EDIT : The Moral Majority WINS !!!! Oh, right, I forgot, penises are immoral. Sex is evil! My mom says that if I kiss a girl, she might get pregnant! Heavens no! That's a shame. We can show Jesus's infantile penis in an oil painting, but apparently his grown counterpart isn't allowed the right to a homosapien anatomy. I never said that I was offended at the thought of Jesus having a penis. LLC, I won't even bother responding to your remarks about me above as it is not worth my time to get into a pissing contest with you to see who can dis the other the best because THAT'S for 6 year olds. But what I will tell you is that I think that people like yourself, who always advocate having an open mind about things, really are the most closed minded people in the world who's real intention is to push their own beliefs down the throats of others. No one is forcing you or anyone else to believe in Jesus Christ. All that's been asked is that some respect be shown when talking about this to those who do hold Jesus Christ in high religious regard. Reading comprehension 101. 
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