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Re: The Hoods
[Re: Don Cardi]
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03/30/07 09:03 PM
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I'm really curious as to whether any reference is made to the infamous "opium dream" sequence in the movie. Keep on reading. Well DC, neither you nor I advocated the whole dream theory in the movie. However, I think if we were wrong, we'll both be big enough men to admit it.
"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
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Re: The Hoods
[Re: Don Cardi]
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03/30/07 09:55 PM
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I started reading the book titled "The Hoods" which is the basis for the movie "Once Upon A Time In America." This book was written by HARRY GREY who was an ex-hood himself. It's an autobiographical novel based on his life. From the opening chapter it draws you right in Does anyone else consider the movie to be so sad like I do? It makes me sad when I watch it. It's an allegory for life.
"Generosity. That was my first mistake." "Experience must be our only guide; reason may mislead us." "Instagram is Twitter for people who can't read."
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Re: The Hoods
[Re: Don Cardi]
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04/13/07 03:52 PM
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Yogi, did you order the book yet? No, not yet DC... It takes me weeks to get round to doing stuff! I have told my wife that i would like it as a gift for Fathers Day though and she is much more organised and efficient than me 
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Re: The Hoods
[Re: Capo de La Cosa Nostra]
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04/27/07 07:46 PM
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DC, could you shed a spoiler and say why Noodles rapes Deborah? Sure Capo. In the book, Noodles is totally obsessed with Delores ( Deborah in the movie) from when he is a kid. In the book we are also given a more insightful description of Noodles sex life. He is addicted to constantly having sex and is always hiring hookers or picking up woman to bring back to his penthouse hotel room where he resides. You almost feel as though he is trying to find the Delores in these woman. In the book we also see his addiction to opium and how when going to these opium dens he dreams of having Delores (Deborah) for himself. He has these fairy tale opium dreams about he and her.
Delores will not even give him the time of day early in the book. In the movie we are given a slight glimpse of Debroah's (Delores) disdain for Noodles, but we also see that as children she teases him by undressing while fully knowing that he is peeking at her and she aknowledges him from time to time. However in the book if she speaks to him twice as children, it''s a lot. This eats at Noodles. As a young kid he knows that he lives as a lowlife, wearing the same clothing and looking ragged. As a child, Delores totally ignores him in the book.
When they are older Delores is acting and dancing on the stage. Noodles is always going to see her perform on the stage, but she never knows this. This is just another glimse into the obsession that Noodles had with her. Somehow Delores knows that Noodles is mad about her. Finally, without really going into detail, Delores agrees to go on a date with Noodles. As in the movie, he wines and dines her. She becomes more understanding of Noodles and on this date warms up to him. She begins to understand that as a kid, he had a shit life. She holds and squeezes his hand while they are talking, and this gives Noodles the impression that she loves him. So while they are still on this date, he proposes marriage to her. When she realizes that he thinks that she's in love with him, she drops a bombshell on him by telling him that she is in love with another man, is practically engaged to be married, and is moving out to hollywood. (Her real intent of going on this date with him was to tell him that she was leaving for hollywood). It is at that moment that all of the years of pent up fustration in wanting her explodes in Noodles and he violenty tries forcing himself on her, hurting her both physically and mentally. Of course, as in the movie, he is remorseful and regrets what he has done, but it's too late at that point.
In the movie we see that when he is a kid, he likes Deborah. And years later on the date we see that he rapes her. But in reading the book is gives a better understanding as to why he did what he did to her on that date because the book goes much deeper into the obsession that Noodles had with Delores (Deborah in the movie). Mick, if you love the movie, than you really should read the book.
Don Cardi Five - ten years from now, they're gonna wish there was American Cosa Nostra. Five - ten years from now, they're gonna miss John Gotti.
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Re: The Hoods
[Re: Capo de La Cosa Nostra]
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07/06/07 09:47 AM
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For those who haven't read the Hoods, it's available as an ebook for $1 from: http://www.mobipocket.com/en/eBooks/BookDetails.asp?BookID=33250The book has 49 chapters and is dedicated to the mob friends of Noodles, M. B. H. & S. It starts in an East Side school classroom (7th grade) with Cockeye (a bit simple/dumb) Max (tall muscular & a wise guy - reading a cowboy/western paperback) Noodles (clever & imaginative) Patsy (tough looking) Dominick (podgy & small - high pitched voice) Noodles and Max imagine what it would be like if the five of them formed a gang like Jesse James but without horses. Max says: “We'll make a million bucks sticking up banks and then quit.” Dominick asks "a million for the five of us, Max?". Max says "Nah a million apiece". Patsy asks “We gonna quit when we get a million?” Max: “Yep, we'll quit and move up to the Bronx and be big shots.” Noodles gets summoned to the Principal's office (Max offers to throw the Principal out of the window if Noodles wants). Noodles's father has been out of work for 3 months and Noodles wants to leave school and start a job. The principal recognises Noodles's potential and wants him to stay on at school. “I think, with proper guidance, you can still develop into a good and successful citizen. I'll have a social agency look into your case and help your family, so that you can continue your schooling. Keep away from bad companions ... Why not continue and try to be a bookkeeper, possibly an accountant? Don't just go floundering through life without a definite goal. Specialized knowledge is like a sharp knife. It will help you cut your way through the entanglements of life to your goal. To success. You understand what I what I mean?” Yeh, I knew what he meant, but I played dumb. “Yeh, I'll get myself a big knife,” I said. The dialogue and descriptions of events are a bit lengthy but reading the book and the screenplay (see below) will clear up many of the questions that viewers of the film may have. Summary of chapters
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01 - End Of School, Max Patsy Cockeye Dominick together modern Jesse James, robbing Schwartz Candy Store, helping Monk, Jake Pipy Goo-Goo, Knife, Peggy & Fanny, Momma, poverty, Max's uncle, Fat Moe,Fed Reserve Bank, Dolores, The Professor, Mott Street 02 - Book - Boswell's Life of Johnson 03 - Peggy & Whitey - police bribery 04 - Rolling a drunk 05 - Laundry delivery job - strike breaking 06 - Drugstore heist, death of Dominick 07 - Sent to Jewish home, Cedar Knolls for 18 months Maxi's uncle dies, Max takes over uncle's funeral business 08 - Taking contracts, forming coalition with Frank, 6 speakeasies, Noodles Bookkeeper, Opium 09 - Dream of the formation of the criminal combination 10 - Turkish Baths 11 - Diamond Heist, Betty 12 - Writing a book, Sex 13 - Nutch and the diamond switch 14 - Oscar the fence, disposing of Nutch's body, John Doe, Federal Reserve Bank 15 - Cleaning up Peggy's whorehouse 16 - The accidental death of Andrew Moore, Himmelfarb bros 17 - A licence to print money 18 - Noodles father previously a horse thief & smuggler, money printing machine switched, Broome St speakeasy to Jake & Co 19 - My disastrous date with Dolores 20 - Feeling Sorry for myself 21 - Helen the singer, picking up a prostitute, Frank & Dandy Phil 22 - Nude swimming 23 - Getting kitted out 24 - Checking out the casino (1) 25 - Checking out the casino (2), momma, brother 26 - Casino shakedown (1) 27 - Casino shakedown (2) 28 - Casino shakedown (3), 20 bullets in 3 secs 29 - Phil & Fanny 30 - Eden, Fairy Theodore, Eve 31 - Big Mike, Fitz & Jimmy at the Eden 32 - Salvy the Snake, Willie the Ape, Mr Crowning 33 - Impersonating cops, Thespus Detective Agency 34 - The seduction of Eve, rubber falsies 35 - Thespus Detective Agency (1), knockout drops 36 - Thespus Detective Agency (2) 37 - Chicago hit, Eve, taking over the Eden 38 - Our arrest, murder of Salvy, Willie & a stranger 39 - Our release, planning the next job 40 - Disposal of the body of a Supreme Court Judge 41 - Dancing with Betty, John Doe, argument with Max re payroll heist, split 42 - 2 weeks vacation in Miami with Eve, Max now with Betty, Combination goods hijacked, Herring's doublecross 43 - Max wanting to pickle Herring 44 - Max becoming a megalomaniac, throne, casing the Federal Reserve Bank 45 - Trying to contact Frank, withdrawing bank savings 46 - Momma in a coma in hospital, gave details of Max & Co's next job to prohibition agents, momma died, booze, opium, death of Max, Patsy & Cockeye, searching for our cash 47 - Mendy Muscles & Trigger Mike take me to warehouse for execution, trick them to take me to Moe's, knockout drops 48 - Escape to Joeys in chinatown, opium 49 - Leave town
Also there are the following free downloads for those struggling with understanding parts of the film: http://msb247.awardspace.com/docs/film.txt (dialogue - 60K) http://msb247.awardspace.com/docs/once.rtf (screenplay - 400K) and other useful links: http://msb247.awardspace.com/downloads.htm
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