You know what Mig, right now we are going to hear 900 different stories and versions of what happened. Yes it's quite possible that they did not go into lockdown right away, but until the investigation is completed, and people's emotions get somewhat back to normal, it's just not fair to speculate or second guess at this point.

This only goes to prove what I said earlier about some of the media : They just seem to want to create controversey every chance that they get.

Well, it seems that there was a 2 hour gap between the two separate shooting incidents. I read that the shootings at the dorm, which killed one and wounded others, was at 7:30 this morning. The shootings in the classroom building were much later. What were they doing for two hours??

The President of the College is trying to explain it right now.

There's a press conference on tv right now and the head of security just said that they thought the gunman left the campus after the first round of shootings. You can bet there'll be a lot said about that poor "info".

And they've implied that there is a possibility of a second gunman and that they are in the process of investigating that possibility right now.

It's weird how this kind of crap always happens in April: Columbine, Waco, OK City, and now this. Of course, the OK City bombing was done to deliberately correlate to the Waco thing. I guess all these bastards have a thing for Hitler's birthday month or something. There's got to be a special place in Hell for people like that.

Yeah, that's how it is at NYU. And there is a security booth with an on duty guard in the lobby of every building.

Who's mentioned Hitler...?

And why?

t.s. eliot was right. April is the cruellest month.

This is a tragedy, the depth of which hasn't been felt yet. The youth today live in a much more dangerous world than I did.

Which world are you living in now? Are you an alien from outer space? J/K

Oh, how my kids would love to answer your questions.

Capo, Reading the journals of the shooters from Columbine High School led investigators to the fact that the massacre was committed to coincide with the anniversaries of Waco, the Oklahoma City bombing and Hitler's birthday, which all were on or about April 20th.

Cool.

Thanks.

But, the journals of the Columbine killers, or the Virginia Tech shooters?

Columbine, which is fast approaching its anniversary date. Although I don't want to speak for him, I believe that Snake was referring to the fact that all of these acts of violence seemed to take place at about the same time of the month of April.

Cool.

Thanks.

April also happens to bring my mother's birthday, and also a good friend of mine's birthday.

And the weather's great over here, too.

(Though isn't every April.)

I'm sure that there are many lovely things that happen in April as well, like crocuses. Unfortunately, not enough lovely things, it seems.

Guns. When will it change. Gun supporters always use "the right to bear arms" defense. Do you know when that was written? When Pennsylvania was the frontier. The Constitution also said it was OK to own slaves. We changed that one.

Such a waste, such a shame.

Not trying to start any kind of debate here. Lord knows that this topic is not the right place to even attempt to do so. But I am realy being sincere in posing this question as I truely do not know the answer to it and hope that someone here does.

I wonder how many murders are committed by the use of illegally obtained firearms as compared to legally registered firearms?

William Shakespeare was born on April 23, 1564.

But he died on April 23, 1616.

To finish the Eliot quote from "The Wasteland":

April is the cruellest month, breeding
Lilacs out of the dead land, mixing
Memory and Desire, stirring
Dull roots with spring rain.

That's about all I remember.

Back to the tragedy. I haven't heard any names released. Have the families all been notified?

I have been so busy today at work and have only heard bits and pieces of this story. Now that I'm home I'm tuning in and I just can't believe how horrible this is.

Do I understand that there were two separate shootings at this school within a couple hours of each other? Some are wondering why the campus officials didn't let them know about the first shooting. I did hear there were a couple bomb threats last week and the authorities are speculating whether or not it was the shooter testing the security on the campus. They claim that they think they now have a name but are going to verify before they announce it.


How horrible for everyone involved. You think it'll be an ordinary day.....you never never know. My prayers to the familes.

TIS

Al Pacino was born the same day as my hubby. April 25th. But different years of course. That's a nice thing about April.

I was born April 28, and gave mankind a reason to persevere. Life was otherwise meaningless prior.

TIS, I can't imagine that two people, completely unaware of one another, decided to go on a shooting rampage at the same college on the same day. That would seem to defy any odds. However, I also can't understand how one person could shoot up a dorm on the campus, killing and injuring students, and then 2 hours later, simply walk into a classroom building and blow more people away. I just don't understand how either scenario is possible, but one of them sure is, unless it was two people that were working together.

Well I know I don't have to remind any of the older generation about Charles Whitman and his shooting from atop the University of Texas's 27-story clock tower in 1966. He only killed 15 ppl, less than half of the number killed today. Yet the pain is felt by anyone who has ever attended school at UT.

Growing up in Austin, the story has been ingrained in my consciousness since I was kid. The majority of my day is spent on and around the campus. I know that when one sees the tower it is sometimes hard not think that someone like yourself was walking in the same place you are, and they were shot dead. I have 9-11 type sadness today, the lives of beautiful, young ppl were cut short.

What I don't understand is how this guy today was able to kill 31 ppl two hours AFTER he killed the first two. If this had happened at UT(one of the nation's largest university in terms of size)all of the buildings and streets leading in would have been closed off. Austin and UT police would have swarmed the campus with blow horns telling everyone to go home.

During the 66' shooting in Austin, local residents actually grabbed their guns and went to the tower to try and dislodge the nested assassin. That's Texas for ya.

(F.Y.I-Virginia Tech is one of the nation's few universities that also serves as a military type school of sorts. A large number of students later join the service after college.)


UT clock tower

It might have been the same person cuz they thought that the shooter left the campus and left the state.

Eliot is right about the "Memory and Desire" thing.

It's that time of year when you remember last summer's romances and wish for one to remember fondly this year too.

But no rain yet, here.

This is very chilling and upsetting.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/04172007/new..._dan_mangan.htm

http://www.nypost.com/seven/04172007/new...c_lenkowitz.htm

Gunman stated to be student.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070417/ap_on_re_us/virginia_tech_shooting

Straight A.

Golly.

Here is a partial list of victims. 2 professors are among them.

Freshmen and sophomores. They're still just kids.

The following is a partial list of victims killed by a gunman on the campus of Virginia Tech on April 16, 2007:

• Maxine Turner, Vienna, Va., Senior, Chemical Engineering

• Henry Lee, Roanoke, Va., Freshman, Computer Engineering

• Matt La Porte, Dumont, N.J., Freshman, University Studies

• Jamie Bishop, Instructor, Foreign Languages and Literatures (German)

• G.V. Loganathan, Professor, Civil and Environmental Engineering

• Juan Ortiz, Graduate Student, Civil Engineering

• Jarrett Lane, Narrows, Va., Senior, Civil Engineering

• Ryan Clark, Columbia County, Ga., Senior, Biology, English, Psychology

• Leslie Sherman, Sophomore, History and International Studies

• Caitlin Hammaren, Sophomore, International Studies and French

• Liviu Librescu, Professor, Engineering Science & Mechanics

• Kevin Granata, Professor, Engineering Science & Mechanics

• Reema Samaha, Centreville, Va., Freshman

• Emily Hilscher, Woodville, Va., Freshman, Animal and Poultry Sciences, Equine Science