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Re: Virginia Tech shooting
[Re: Sicilian Babe]
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04/17/07 09:11 AM
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Columbine, which is fast approaching its anniversary date. Although I don't want to speak for him, I believe that Snake was referring to the fact that all of these acts of violence seemed to take place at about the same time of the month of April. Thanks, Sicilian Babe, that's all I meant. It's a bitch, too, that such a seasonal time of new life is now associated with so many tragedies in the US. My daughter's birthday is Sept. 10, btw. So many are Monday-morning quarterbacking now about the time thing between the shootings. I think we should all reserve judgment until everything's a little better sorted, imho.
"Vaya con Dios, Castle. Go with God." "God's going to sit this one out." The Punisher (2004)
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Re: Virginia Tech shooting
[Re: Beth E]
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04/17/07 09:27 AM
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Thanks for the update Goombah. When you say the school was to be open today do you mean they would have had classes? That's utterly ridiculous. Half the campus should still be a crime scene.
Your friend must be a nervous wreck. I don't know what their policy is, but maybe she needs to take some days off and heal herself, if not physically then mentally. I think classes would have been cancelled, but employees would have still been expected to report. You're right - that is ridiculous. She said Va Tech never closes, regardless of weather, situation, etc. The students AND employees need the time to properly grieve and receive counseling if they choose. The worst part, according to my friend, is if the killings were done by two separate people. That would mean that two people were murdered at 7:15 a.m., which would have been horrific enough. But then, on the same campus, the massacre occured by another person - POSSIBLY. She said that is the thought that she just cannot shake.
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Re: Virginia Tech shooting
[Re: Don Cardi]
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04/17/07 09:31 AM
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So many are Monday-morning quarterbacking now about the time thing between the shootings. I think we should all reserve judgment until everything's a little better sorted, imho. until the investigation is completed, and people's emotions get somewhat back to normal, it's just not fair to speculate or second guess at this point. That's how I felt yesterday. From what I've read and seen so far, if it is eventually found that someone dropped the ball, I would say that it was the police and not the school or the president. So far it seems that the school acted on information given to them by the police and that is why they did not lock down the school right away or send out any e-mails right away. So far it looks as though the police initially treated the early morning shooting as an isolated incident. Someone in law enforcement assumed that the gunman had fled the campus. Obviously a very bad assumption. Of course if God forbid it was my child or relative that was murdered or maimed, I would also be demanding answers as to why it took so long for the school to inform the others on campus or take the proper steps to secure the campus. Just a horrible tragedy all around.
Don Cardi Five - ten years from now, they're gonna wish there was American Cosa Nostra. Five - ten years from now, they're gonna miss John Gotti.
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Re: Virginia Tech shooting
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04/17/07 09:34 AM
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[quote=Snake] Have they identified the attacker yet? I don't think they've given his name yet, but in a link I posted above they listed him as a student. EDIT: Cho Seung-Hui, a 23-year-old senior from South Korea, named as shooter in Virginia Tech massacre.
Last edited by Beth E; 04/17/07 09:59 AM.
How about a little less questions and a lot more shut the hell up - Brian Griffin
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Re: Virginia Tech shooting
[Re: Snake]
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04/17/07 10:15 AM
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I'm wondering if my school was shut down today as a combination of the rain AND this incident. I think every school needs to be on the look out for copycats right now.
I wanted to comment on the school closing though. When I was in middle school someone in the school was killed (I don't really remember) but they shut the school down for 2 weeks, to give everyone time to grieve. Which to me would be the same time that the school would be shut down in West Virginia to let kids try and get a hold of what just happened. The problem with that though, is that its close to the end of the semester, and shutting school down for 2 weeks will force people to graduate 2 weeks later. So when you have 10's of thousands of students graduating in your field on May 5th, and you aren't able to get out interviewing with that diploma until May 19th, you are at a distinct disadvantage.
So as much as society might say to the President of the School, shut it down for a week or 2, I guarantee you there are 1000s of seniors protesting the school being shut down (those who were or weren't effected by it).
I know everyone will have different opinions about it, but I'm just saying its not as cut and dry about closing the college as it would be for a middle or high school.
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Re: Virginia Tech shooting
[Re: DonMichaelCorleone]
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04/17/07 10:27 AM
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The problem with that though, is that its close to the end of the semester, and shutting school down for 2 weeks will force people to graduate 2 weeks later. I think you're right, DMC. There are definitely different ways to view it, but I'm sure the school is looking at the "let's-go-on-with-life" part of it, which is certainly understandable. And it might be best to let the school allow students to graduate and take a much needed LONG break. I think school officials or someone, however, should be willing to try and follow up with as many of those students as humanly possible to make sure they're getting counseling following the graduation. Yeah, I know they can't do that with all 26,000 students, but perhaps they should at least attempt it with those closest to the shootings and those whom they know are having a hard time coping.
"Vaya con Dios, Castle. Go with God." "God's going to sit this one out." The Punisher (2004)
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Re: Virginia Tech shooting
[Re: Saladbar]
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04/17/07 12:35 PM
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The Heroes of this tragedy... One of the professors killed after barricading the door to save his students was also a holocaust survivor. For some reason this makes me intensely sad...can't describe why though: I Don't Think My Teacher Got Out I heard his story yesterday. There's some kind of irony in surviving Nazi concentration camps and then coming to a "land flowing with milk & honey" to live out your years, and then dying in a stupid act of violence...on same the day people are remembering the Holocaust, no less. Truly sad, and a sad commentary on our society.
"Vaya con Dios, Castle. Go with God." "God's going to sit this one out." The Punisher (2004)
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Re: Virginia Tech shooting
[Re: Don Cardi]
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04/17/07 12:56 PM
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Here is an E.R. doctor's perspective.
ER doctor: never seen 'anything like this before' Adjust font size: BLACKSBURG, Virginia (CNN) -- It was more like a scene from an episode of "ER" than one from a real-life hospital in a small college town. "Nobody had ever seen anything like this before," CEO for Montgomery Regional Hospital Scott Hill said. "You can never adequately prepare for this level of violence."
On a day where too many died on the scene, many more were taken, injured and bleeding to the hospital. It was a process hindered by the weather. High winds prevented the use of helicopters to move patients, Hill said.
Dr. Joseph Cacioppo, an emergency room doctor at Montgomery, indicated he was stunned when victims began pouring in. "The injuries were just amazing. This man was brutal. There wasn't a shooting victim that didn't have less than three bullet wounds in him," Cacioppo said of the victims he saw.
Not all of the injuries were life threatening. "Even, again, the less serious injuries, we saw one patient that had a bullet wound to the wrist, one to the elbow and one to the thigh. We had another one with a bullet wound to the abdomen, one to the chest and one to the head," Cacioppo said.
Seventeen of the wounded remained hospitalized Tuesday, and at least one of those patients was to be released Tuesday, Hill said. All of the nine patients at Montgomery, including three who had been critical, were now in stable condition, he said.
Montgomery in Blacksburg received a total of 19 patients, Hill said.
In addition, three patients remained at Lewis-Gale Medical Center in Salem, two remained in critical condition at Roanoke Memorial Hospital and three were in stable condition at New River Valley Medical Center in Blacksburg, hospital officials said.
Seven patients had been released from hospitals by Tuesday, Hill said.
How about a little less questions and a lot more shut the hell up - Brian Griffin
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Re: Virginia Tech shooting
[Re: Don Cardi]
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04/17/07 01:01 PM
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I seen on Fox news and MSNBC that some campus in Austin Texas was closed due to that they found a threatening note today. Yes Mig, I saw that too. Unfortunately these things seem to bring all the copycats and wackos out of the woodwork. Yes, speaking of wackos, the Westboro Baptist Church will picket Virginia Tech Funerals.
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