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Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion
[Re: ronnierocketAGO]
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04/14/07 11:24 PM
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Just watched Rhinestone again. The production quality of that movie, the acting, Stallone's singing, the depth of his perfromance, I just can't watch it enough. It's the only movie I have on CD. I don't understand why it wasn't nominated in all categories. Wait wait, RHINESTONE with Dolly Parton and Sly? You got it. That's the one and only.
"Generosity. That was my first mistake." "Experience must be our only guide; reason may mislead us." "Instagram is Twitter for people who can't read."
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Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion
[Re: ronnierocketAGO]
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04/14/07 11:37 PM
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Why is it that people demand to get back on topic when they lose? But, I agree...back to the movies. Enough of kids stuff. 300 (2007) - *** Yeah I reviewed it already, but I tell ya, that SOUTH PARK episode guaranteed that I can't watch 300 without piss-laughing again. I should feel bad for Zach Snyder, but he did the DAWN OF THE DEAD remake so fuck him. Lost of half-a-star. THIS IS LESBOS! *groin-kick* Yeah, that macho movie that some people gave 4-full stars to, I wonder how they can watch it without realizing how some of it just...so...gay. I mean before the dyke jokes on SOUTH PARK. Man-Meat versus Dead-Meat. So now that you've given 300 3-stars and Grindhouse 4-stars, what is your favorite movie of the year thus far? (not limited to just those 2. They are just my favorites).
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Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion
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04/16/07 03:20 AM
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Pearl Harbor * 1/2 (Second Viewing)
Two childhood best friends, Rafe (Ben Affleck) and Danny (Josh Hartnett), grow up wanting to fly planes. When Rafe gets the chance to join the Royal Air Force during World War II, he takes it - leaving his new love, Evelyn (Kate Beckinsale), a dedicated Navy nurse, and Danny, also a pilot, behind. Danny and Evelyn are transferred separately to the idyllic paradise of Hawaii, where they eventually meet through a connection to Rafe, who has been declared missing. But just as the love triangle begins to get complicated, Dec. 7, 1941 arrives, changing all of their lives forever.
Not Bay's finest work (I think close to an hour of this film could have been cut). Although it was enjoyable that the Japanese characters spoke Japanese and not English (made it seem a little authentic). And let it not be said that Michael Bay can't assemble a good cast and blow crap up. He makes entertaining popcorn movies.
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Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion
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04/16/07 07:30 AM
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"And let it not be said that Michael Bay can't assemble a good cast and blow crap up."
I would more or less say that was Bruckheimer. Yes hes produced dozens of bad movies, but I'll say this about Jerry. As a pimp, he knows how to make a shitload of money from crap.
Plus, he occasionally does pop a decent/good movie out of his ass(while Bay still is hitless). BEVERLY HILLS COP 1 and 2, Michael Mann's awesome THIEF(Bruckheimer's first solo producing effort), CRIMSON TIDE, the PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN flicks. Hell, even C.S.I. on TV.
Bruck Boy has his new lapdog pet director in Gore Verbinski, and unlike Mikey Bay who left his master for a new one in The Beard over at Dreamworks....Verbinski CAN and DID direct quality before joining Bruckheimer's stable.
"Although it was enjoyable that the Japanese characters spoke Japanese and not English (made it seem a little authentic)."
You want that of the Pearl Harbor story without Bay's bullshit and the pointless and failure of a love story? Go watch TORA! TORA! TORA! Its weird that movie, and the great THE LONGEST DAY, had adversarial respect in a macho-way, of the enemy that would get trashed by Fox News today as unpatriotic.
You know, instead of FDR standing up on his own in a would-be inspirational moment that instead was met at the screening I went to back in 2001 with LAUGHS.
Its just weird how the people in the movie don't feel like characters as if they just stepped out of 1941, but instead Gen-Xers and Baby Boomers dressing up like its 1941 with the wink of knowing safely the end-result.
I remembered as well a guy I knew that was a WW2 Veteran. He saw the movie, and was absolutely livid. "They didn't make a war movie, they made a goddamn cosmetics commercial with guns and planes."
PEARL HARBOR (2001) - * - BOMB
FOR IRISH: Fuck PEARL HARBOR, Bay is shit without Bruckheimer and Bruck Boy has found a new talented director lapdog, watch TORA! TORA! TORA!, real Veterans hated the movie.
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Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion
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04/16/07 09:45 AM
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Though I have a different opinion regarding the scope of dramas, I tend to agree with Irish on his view regarding comedies. They should at least try to be funny. If they are not funny(to me) then they are are not comedies(to me). So then "comedy" is by your definition a positive criticism of a film; it is not a description. That means if you call something a comedy, it's automatically funny. And so if it isn't funny, what is it? To me, it's an ineffective comedy. But it's still a comedy.
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Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion
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04/16/07 03:22 PM
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So then "comedy" is by your definition a positive criticism of a film; it is not a description. That means if you call something a comedy, it's automatically funny.
And so if it isn't funny, what is it?
To me, it's an ineffective comedy. But it's still a comedy. If I were to use a definition instead of a positive criticism, then I need to fit it into a genre very accurately. And sometimes, that is so difficult. What is common among Annie Hall, American pie and Pulp fiction to fit them into a genre? But if I used a subjective criterion like "it made ME laugh", it is easy to classify very dissimilar films into a genre. That is why I prefer "comedy/not comedy to me" instead of "good comedy and ineffective comedy" as a strict definition. BTW, I find a lot of so-called serious films funny by their sheer ridiculousness.
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Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion
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Donnie Darko (unrated) I did not understand the movie at all. Something to do with time travel and stuff like that. Can anyone please explain the plot within a spoiler tag. I need to re-watch it to rate it. One of my all time favorites. It's not easy to comprehend on one viewing, or even explain, for that matter. But I'll try my best. I don't know exactly what it is you need explaining... The philosophy behind it? The actual physical plot itself? Well, regardless, Donnie Darko is a spectacular "cause and effect" film. Basically, it all starts when Donnie is dragged out of bed, while in a subconscious sleep-like state, by Frank, who is implied to be a mere product of schizophrenia. Now, I think what's really interesting is, there is actually a deleted scene that reveals Donnie is not a schizo, and that he is actually being fed placebos. However, I sort of prefer they kept that out, as it allows the audience more room to breath, and analyze the film for themselves.
Now, back to where I was going. When Donnie is pulled out of bed, a jet engine falls directly on his bed, as you know. The serial codes are burned off, and there are no reports of a crashed aircraft. Anyways, feeling as though he owes Frank his life, Donnie feels obligated to do as he tells him to do, which leads to a series of whacky events. And of course, time-travel kicks in when Frank asks Donnie about it, and Donnie feels as though he is to look into it.
But here is what interesting. When you think about it, all of the bad that happens in the film (The firing of the English teacher, the arrest of the motivational speaker, the death of the girl friend, the death of Frank, etc.) is a direct result of the actions Donnie makes because of Frank. At the end of the film, it's revealed Frank is a guest at Donnie's party, who Donnie winds up killing. Coincidentally, Frank is also the boyfriend of Donnie's sister. But, the whole thing about the end, as Donnie gazes out over the mountains beside his dead girlfriend, and sees a time portal emerging in the sky, I think he seems to realize he could prevent all the pain he's created if he just gave himself up.
Then we're brought back to the very beginning of the film. Donnie is in bed, awake, and laughing--in the commentary, director Richard Kelly explains this is because Donnie is under the belief it was all just a dream. But I think in some subconscious way, Donnie still knows that he has to die. So he ignores Franks calls this time around, and lays in bed to die, thus saving the town of Middlesex from his "fear" as Patrick Swayze's character would have said. The jet engine fell off of his mother's plane in the future, fell through a time portal, and landed on Donnie's bedroom--thus the reasoning behind why no crash is reported. Donnie dies, and others are freed, for better or for worse.
In the end, it would seem as though Donnie is a Martyr. I probably could've explained it better. It's been six months or so since I last viewed it. But, in a nutshell, there is my explanation.
"Somebody told me when the bomb hits, everybody in a two mile radius will be instantly sublimated, but if you lay face down on the ground for some time, avoiding the residual ripples of heat, you might survive, permanently fucked up and twisted like you're always underwater refracted. But if you do go gas, there's nothing you can do if the air that was once you is mingled and mashed with the kicked up molecules of the enemy's former body. Big-kid-tested, motherf--ker approved."
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Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion
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04/16/07 05:33 PM
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Yeah.
And I forgot to mention, the soundtrack kicks ass. Richard Kelly did right, and managed to put together some of the great bands of the 80s that, unlike most of the popular music of the time, didn't suck. The film opens with my absolute favorite Echo and the Bunny Man Song, "The Killing Moon" which makes the film all the better for me.
I just wish he would have put some My Bloody Valentine on there.
"Somebody told me when the bomb hits, everybody in a two mile radius will be instantly sublimated, but if you lay face down on the ground for some time, avoiding the residual ripples of heat, you might survive, permanently fucked up and twisted like you're always underwater refracted. But if you do go gas, there's nothing you can do if the air that was once you is mingled and mashed with the kicked up molecules of the enemy's former body. Big-kid-tested, motherf--ker approved."
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Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion
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04/16/07 06:59 PM
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I don't know exactly what it is you need explaining... The philosophy behind it? The actual physical plot itself? Well, regardless, Donnie Darko is a spectacular "cause and effect" film. Basically, it all starts when Donnie is dragged out of bed, while in a subconscious sleep-like state, by Frank, who is implied to be a mere product of schizophrenia. Now, I think what's really interesting is, there is actually a deleted scene that reveals Donnie is not a schizo, and that he is actually being fed placebos. However, I sort of prefer they kept that out, as it allows the audience more room to breath, and analyze the film for themselves.
Now, back to where I was going. When Donnie is pulled out of bed, a jet engine falls directly on his bed, as you know. The serial codes are burned off, and there are no reports of a crashed aircraft. Anyways, feeling as though he owes Frank his life, Donnie feels obligated to do as he tells him to do, which leads to a series of whacky events. And of course, time-travel kicks in when Frank asks Donnie about it, and Donnie feels as though he is to look into it.
But here is what interesting. When you think about it, all of the bad that happens in the film (The firing of the English teacher, the arrest of the motivational speaker, the death of the girl friend, the death of Frank, etc.) is a direct result of the actions Donnie makes because of Frank. At the end of the film, it's revealed Frank is a guest at Donnie's party, who Donnie winds up killing. Coincidentally, Frank is also the boyfriend of Donnie's sister. But, the whole thing about the end, as Donnie gazes out over the mountains beside his dead girlfriend, and sees a time portal emerging in the sky, I think he seems to realize he could prevent all the pain he's created if he just gave himself up.
Then we're brought back to the very beginning of the film. Donnie is in bed, awake, and laughing--in the commentary, director Richard Kelly explains this is because Donnie is under the belief it was all just a dream. But I think in some subconscious way, Donnie still knows that he has to die. So he ignores Franks calls this time around, and lays in bed to die, thus saving the town of Middlesex from his "fear" as Patrick Swayze's character would have said. The jet engine fell off of his mother's plane in the future, fell through a time portal, and landed on Donnie's bedroom--thus the reasoning behind why no crash is reported. Donnie dies, and others are freed, for better or for worse.
In the end, it would seem as though Donnie is a Martyr. Thanks LLC. I have a few questions (for now) -- please see the spoiler. 1) Donnie's mother's aircraft engine comes back through a worm hole and Donnie also finds another wormhole to come back to the same time and same place in order to die? Right? strange coincidence.... 2)If frank was real in the alternate universe Donnie was briefly living in until he dies, then why does he reply to Donnie "why are you wearing the human suit" when he is asked why he is wearing the rabbit suit? And first of all what is that rabbit suit all about? 3)If Donnie is supposed to some schizophrenic guy who imagines stuff, then Frank is also imaginary and the whole time travel thing too. Right? Then that contradicts the whole plot as I have described in (1). Why combine time travel plot with dream/hallucination/schizophrenia plot. This adds a lot more gratuitous confusion.
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Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion
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04/16/07 08:35 PM
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I don't know exactly what it is you need explaining... The philosophy behind it? The actual physical plot itself? Well, regardless, Donnie Darko is a spectacular "cause and effect" film. Basically, it all starts when Donnie is dragged out of bed, while in a subconscious sleep-like state, by Frank, who is implied to be a mere product of schizophrenia. Now, I think what's really interesting is, there is actually a deleted scene that reveals Donnie is not a schizo, and that he is actually being fed placebos. However, I sort of prefer they kept that out, as it allows the audience more room to breath, and analyze the film for themselves.
Now, back to where I was going. When Donnie is pulled out of bed, a jet engine falls directly on his bed, as you know. The serial codes are burned off, and there are no reports of a crashed aircraft. Anyways, feeling as though he owes Frank his life, Donnie feels obligated to do as he tells him to do, which leads to a series of whacky events. And of course, time-travel kicks in when Frank asks Donnie about it, and Donnie feels as though he is to look into it.
But here is what interesting. When you think about it, all of the bad that happens in the film (The firing of the English teacher, the arrest of the motivational speaker, the death of the girl friend, the death of Frank, etc.) is a direct result of the actions Donnie makes because of Frank. At the end of the film, it's revealed Frank is a guest at Donnie's party, who Donnie winds up killing. Coincidentally, Frank is also the boyfriend of Donnie's sister. But, the whole thing about the end, as Donnie gazes out over the mountains beside his dead girlfriend, and sees a time portal emerging in the sky, I think he seems to realize he could prevent all the pain he's created if he just gave himself up.
Then we're brought back to the very beginning of the film. Donnie is in bed, awake, and laughing--in the commentary, director Richard Kelly explains this is because Donnie is under the belief it was all just a dream. But I think in some subconscious way, Donnie still knows that he has to die. So he ignores Franks calls this time around, and lays in bed to die, thus saving the town of Middlesex from his "fear" as Patrick Swayze's character would have said. The jet engine fell off of his mother's plane in the future, fell through a time portal, and landed on Donnie's bedroom--thus the reasoning behind why no crash is reported. Donnie dies, and others are freed, for better or for worse.
In the end, it would seem as though Donnie is a Martyr. Thanks LLC. I have a few questions (for now) -- please see the spoiler. 1) Donnie's mother's aircraft engine comes back through a worm hole and Donnie also finds another wormhole to come back to the same time and same place in order to die? Right? strange coincidence.... 2)If frank was real in the alternate universe Donnie was briefly living in until he dies, then why does he reply to Donnie "why are you wearing the human suit" when he is asked why he is wearing the rabbit suit? And first of all what is that rabbit suit all about? 3)If Donnie is supposed to some schizophrenic guy who imagines stuff, then Frank is also imaginary and the whole time travel thing too. Right? Then that contradicts the whole plot as I have described in (1). Why combine time travel plot with dream/hallucination/schizophrenia plot. This adds a lot more gratuitous confusion.
To answer your questions: 1) Yes. But is it a coincidence? That's open to debate, for sure. Remember the scene about the spheres, which reasserts the idea of destiny... It's as if Donnie was always meant to find a wormhole back to the exact time and place in which the engine would surface from a separate wormhole.
2) I think Frank's response was intended to be sarcastic, or maybe even a bit hostile as it was Donnie who put him in the position he was in. Sort of his way to retort and hint, "You'll find out in time". The significance of the suit? None, other than Frank died on Halloween, in his Halloween costume. So, it's only naturally that when his corpse, or soul, or whatever, stumbled across a wormhole (or a wormhole stumbled across his soul, if you will), he was sucked in while wearing his costume.
3)Well, it would, but like I stated previously, there is a deleted scene that reveals that Donnie is 100% sane. There would have been obvious advantages to keeping the scene in the final cut, in that it would clear up some genuine confusion, but at the same exact time, I'm convinced it may have deteriorated the quality of the film, by removing a large portion of the wide-range of space that is left available for the audience to interpret. So, Donnie is not schizophrenic. But even if he was, he would have had no idea who Frank was (he was his sisters boyfriend, but this is only revealed in a deleted scene, and it's implied throughout the film that the family has no idea she's in a relationship). Furthermore, Donnie had never seen Frank's Halloween costume. So the idea that Donnie was hallucinating Frank and his costume, only to come face to face with a reality of the same name, appearance, personality, etc... is highly unlikely. Besides, the only time Donnie saw Frank was when he took his medication. If the medication were real, he would not be hallucinating. Even if they were placebos, as revealed in the deleted scene previously referenced, he would not hallucinate, on the basis that the placebo effect is quite possibly the most potent drug reaction of all. I think, mainly, Frank made it a point, or destiny made it a point, only to appear when Donnie had taken his medication. This way, it'd be easier to convince him that he was not hallucinating, but stuck at the center of a bizarre reality.
"Somebody told me when the bomb hits, everybody in a two mile radius will be instantly sublimated, but if you lay face down on the ground for some time, avoiding the residual ripples of heat, you might survive, permanently fucked up and twisted like you're always underwater refracted. But if you do go gas, there's nothing you can do if the air that was once you is mingled and mashed with the kicked up molecules of the enemy's former body. Big-kid-tested, motherf--ker approved."
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Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion
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Sounds like a Celtic porno.
"Somebody told me when the bomb hits, everybody in a two mile radius will be instantly sublimated, but if you lay face down on the ground for some time, avoiding the residual ripples of heat, you might survive, permanently fucked up and twisted like you're always underwater refracted. But if you do go gas, there's nothing you can do if the air that was once you is mingled and mashed with the kicked up molecules of the enemy's former body. Big-kid-tested, motherf--ker approved."
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Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion
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You like Cockney? I heard he was a dickhead. You know how I know you're gay ? You just said cockney and dickhead in the same sentence.
"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
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Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion
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You like Cockney? I heard he was a dickhead. You know how I know you're gay ? You just said cockney and dickhead in the same sentence. And that makes you a PRICK!
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